Which songs are easier to write; bright or dark ?

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If only for a moment.....
Do you find it easy/easier to write bright, 'happy' songs than it is to write songs that are darker ?
Looking at all of my lyrics, many of them are observational but are presented in a somewhat dark way. If you didn't know me, you'd be forgiven for thinking I'm a cynical manic depressive ! Of which I'm far from.
I derive a great deal of joy from life but that rarely comes across in my lyrics.
Is that unusual ?
 
I can very much relate!!! I have written very few "happy songs". I often joke with my wife that characters come to me and ask me to tell their stories - unfortunately, they are all deprived characters. I've written many songs involving struggles with the bottle (yet, I haven't had a drink in years) and I write often about the heartbreak of broken romance (yet I've been happily married for over 30 years) and I write about loneliness and dispair (yet I have a good life with loving friends and family) - Perhaps I secretly long for the dark side.

Some titles include: "Hungry, Drunk & Lonely", "Heartbreak Avenue", "Heartbreak Or Headache", etc. (and those are the happy ones):eek:

I find writing about darker characters/themes is simply more interesting. I've never written a love song - I consider that too easy a target.
 
I can totally relate as well, I often write about struggles with addiction even though I'm a very mellow, "unaddicted" and happy guy.

For me personally, dark songs are easier to write only because when I'm in a somber mood, I'm in more of the concentrated and pensive state of mind needed to patiently write and record music. On the contrary, when I'm bright/happy/excited, I rarely have the patience to sit down and develop a song. Instead I prefer to jam with some friends and let music organically just happen.

Also, writing and recording music tends to be a therapeutic experience for me, and as such, darker songs tend to flow more naturally.

Plus, when I sit down and try to put pen to paper creating a bright song about how ecstatic I am and how great life is, I can't help but feel like a pompous douche :thumbs up:
 
Yea, happy songs are hard. See life as being happy when one understands how to get through the hard times. I don't think I could ever write as song like, "walking on sunshine" I just can't get there in my writing, but I do try. I think happy songs are good.
 
Perhaps I secretly long for the dark side.
Perhaps !
But the dark side is an inescapable part of human nature. We can sometimes control it, we rarely master it and it can be so difficult to predict it's appearing.....
I find writing about darker characters/themes is simply more interesting. I've never written a love song - I consider that too easy a target.
I've actually written lots of songs I'd describe as love songs, but not in any kind of conventional sense, certainly not one on one love songs. The only two I can think of that even remotely come near that description both ended up far from what they started as ! The first one {"Indoors and out"} began while I was at the start of a relationship and it was very loving and full of hope flavoured with mystery. But I never got around to finishing it up until that relationship had died a gruesome death ! So the second section is really dark, reflecting the period that "wasn't nice at all" :D.
All I can say is that I was young........Ok, younger.......
The second one {"Cartifantarti"} is a lot more recent. I'd been married for about 13 years by this time and one day it occurred to me that I'd never written anything overtly lovey~dovey about my wife so I thought I'd try one of those kinds of songs and started off writing in that vein as I had a few stray phrases........but it was impossible for me to force it and it turned into a song saying that it was for us to determine the direction of our lives, how we look, how we bring up our kids etc, not some stupid celebrity or celeb culture or some biblical interpretation mediated via Western, West Indian or African cultures or our friends and families. It turned into a right old "no one is going to tell us what to do and if you choose to be influenced by outside forces you and I are going to butt heads" kind of song. Charming ! Full of challenge but thankfully not approaching invective.

For me personally, dark songs are easier to write only because when I'm in a somber mood, I'm in more of the concentrated and pensive state of mind needed to patiently write and record music.
This is such a strong point.
I guess because we're constantly surrounded by the melancholy, the negative, the dark, it's so much easier to reflect on if one is a more reflective person. Which is not to say that bright things require less depth of thought. If I've spent hours having a great time with my kids though, I'm a lot less likely in the immediate aftermath to still myself, sit down and write a song about an axe wielding homicidal maniac.
Maybe tomorrow.....
I remember years ago, when my wife would point out that I had a tendency to pick up on the things that were wrong or bad and didn't comment on the good things {which I didn't think was actually true and I'd point out positive things I had commented on}, I'd say to her that the good things pretty much went without saying because they're already good. They don't need adjusting.
when I sit down and try to put pen to paper creating a bright song about how ecstatic I am and how great life is, I can't help but feel like a pompous douche :thumbs up:
While I wouldn't go quite that far, I can so identify with that.
I remember around the time I bought my first serious recording equipment, I wanted to write songs for the church I was with at the time to sings, songs that were based in reality, that expressed the joy of our situation, but which also took into account that this life is no waltz on a well paid stage. I tried and tried to come up with joyous stuff but I found that I simply could not turn it on and off and whatever I'd say was always tempered with the underlying realities of life. Which is not to say that for me the joys of God ain't real, they certainly are, but that doesn't mean in the midst of hassles, put on the blinkers and pretend they're not there ~ which I find a lot of christian songs do.
There's definitely a place for expressing joy, happiness and ecstasy in songs though, yet the irony ever remains that many of the greatest and most impacting "happy" love songs were written by people who, at the time, were in the pits of despair.

if you will keep thinking about the past happenings then it would be tough to get out of those thing and make a fresh start again
I can see what you mean and to a large extent, I agree.
But paradoxically, I also disagree. Over the years, I've written a number of songs that come from a peculiar view in that, I put myself back in the mind that I had at the period I'm writing about. So I can express all the passion or sarcasm or anger or bitterness or defeat or helplessness or immaturity or innocence or wonder that I felt at that time and express it with strength {and sometimes, exaggerated strength}.......even though I've long since passed the period and am no longer influenced by or under whatever feelings I may have had.
Funnily enough, I was thinking about one this morning that I wrote in the late 90s. It's from the perspective of a person who has been impacted by God and has come to terms with the things and people they felt had tried to drag them under in the past and they've forgiven and are no longer weighed down. But they're thinking about the past and what happened to them and they're remembering how it felt with clarity and are able to feel it intensely and with real heat, but without any malice.
You wouldn't believe it from some of the lines though !!
 
Perhaps !
one day it occurred to me that I'd never written anything overtly lovey~dovey about my wife so I thought I'd try one of those kinds of songs and started off writing in that vein

I once asked my wife if she resented that I have never written a love song for her - she commented that given how deprived most of my story telling is (even when I start a song that may appear to be about "normal" people by the chorus or bridge I've managed to add a dark twist) - so she indicated she did not want to rsk being the subject of my warped perspective. I suspect I would write how I loved her, but we could never really be together because I keep her chained in a box in the basement - or something like that.
 
Are you not starting to walk on sunshine and it feeling good!

I actually like that song....always wondered why Katrina and the Waves didn't manage a follow up hit. For that time period, they had the sound, and she sings good.

That said.....how often can you write something dorky like this and get away with it:

**************
Oh! Ohhhh yeeeh
I used to think maybe you loved me now baby I'm sure
And I just cant wait till the day when you knock on my door
Now everytime I go for the mailbox , gotta hold myself down
Cos I just wait till you write me your coming around

I'm walking on sunshine , wooah
I'm walking on sunshine, woooah
I'm walking on sunshine, woooah
and don't it feel good!!

Hey , alright now
and dont it feel good!!
hey yeh

I used to think maybe you loved me, now I know that its true
and I don't want to spend all my life , just in waiting for you
now I don't want u back for the weekend
not back for a day , no no no
I said baby I just want you back and I want you to stay

woah yeh!
I'm walking on sunshine , wooah
I'm walking on sunshine, woooah
I'm walking on sunshine, woooah
and don't it feel good!!

Hey , alright now
and don't it feel good!!
hey yeh ,oh yeh
and don't it feel good!!

walking on sunshine
walking on sunshine

I feel the love,I feel the love, I feel the love that's really real
I feel the love, I feel the love, I feel the love that's really real

I'm on sunshine baby oh
I'm on sunshine baby oh

I'm walking on sunshine wooah
I'm walking on sunshine wooah
I'm walking on sunshine wooah

and don't it feel good!!
I'll say it again now
and don't it feel good!!
**************
 
Agreed. They pulled it off pretty decent. The singer just seemed to smile when she was singing it.
 
Most of my material is dark. The issue I have with writing happier songs is the possibility of coming off cheesy, plus imo there are plenty of happy songs out there already. I want to address more serious issues people face besides love, seduction, and dancing in the club (most common song themes). It's just more fascinating to me to write about the "dark side" (been watching too much Star Wars lately :D). I think it's good to bring awareness and let others know someone understands and has gone through what they're going through and most importantly that there's hope. So writing dark songs definitely comes easier for me. May the force be with you! :)
 
Most of my material is dark. The issue I have with writing happier songs is the possibility of coming off cheesy, plus imo there are plenty of happy songs out there already. I want to address more serious issues people face besides love, seduction, and dancing in the club (most common song themes). It's just more fascinating to me to write about the "dark side" (been watching too much Star Wars lately :D). I think it's good to bring awareness and let others know someone understands and has gone through what they're going through and most importantly that there's hope. So writing dark songs definitely comes easier for me. May the force be with you! :)

I don't think there are too many "good" happy songs. Party till you puke or screw till your dead, which tends to be the type of happy songs I hear are not happy songs. They are, I am happy as long as I got stuff songs. A good happy song I am not hearing much of, they are all, well cheesy.

Now if one could write a happy song and keep it real, now that is a challenge.
 
I don't think there are too many "good" happy songs. Party till you puke or screw till your dead, which tends to be the type of happy songs I hear are not happy songs. They are, I am happy as long as I got stuff songs.
Now if one could write a happy song and keep it real, now that is a challenge.
It strikes me that the difficulty in such songs is that happiness is transient and temporary. Whereas the darker reality of the human being is not only permanent {in someone else, even if not you} but constant. So a brighter happier song is kind of 'in the moment' which may have passed before the song has even finished being written, recorded, released or listened to ! Darkness unfortunately pervades most moments.
 
It strikes me that the difficulty in such songs is that happiness is transient and temporary. Whereas the darker reality of the human being is not only permanent {in someone else, even if not you} but constant. So a brighter happier song is kind of 'in the moment' which may have passed before the song has even finished being written, recorded, released or listened to ! Darkness unfortunately pervades most moments.

I guess therein lies the challenge. Which has been a struggle for the ages. Even today in the Western/Industrialized nations, most have all of the basic needs met. Yet, we still struggle in the mind with being happy. Yet, we do.

Maybe that is the art of the "happy song", how to stay longer in the moment and help others to be in the moment. Maybe as artists it is not to tell the obvious, we are all miserable, but to remind as many that life is really good.

We should have a challenge to get as many as possible to write one happy song. Not to worry if it is cliche, ripping someone else off, just try to get one set of happy songs.

What do you think?
 
It strikes me that the difficulty in such songs is that happiness is transient and temporary. Whereas the darker reality of the human being is not only permanent {in someone else, even if not you} but constant. So a brighter happier song is kind of 'in the moment' which may have passed before the song has even finished being written, recorded, released or listened to ! Darkness unfortunately pervades most moments.

Plus....when you are happy, that's it....it's somewhat of a singular state, and there's no where to go but down.

However, the dark side has many levels of unhappiness and many different kinds, triggered by many different things.....so certainly a LOT more food for the muse.
 
Depends on what style you play. I'm rooted in what's now called "classic" rock, so it's hard to compare happy vs dark. It's not as plain & simple as Crazy Little Thing Called Love vs You Take My Breath Away.

Generally (and sorry if this is obvious), but if I want the genesis of something uplifting, I'll start riffing/chording in a major key (Start Me Up or Brown Sugar aren't "happy" per se, but they're upbeat and bouncy). The darker stuff comes easier 'coz it's more fun and spine-tingling, but if I want dark/minor, then I either try a spooky chord pattern or a riff with a predominant emphasis on the minor 3rd.

Try playing Heart And Soul (yup, the oldie) in C Major . . . and then try playing it again with the minor roots (C maj on top of A root = Am7 / G maj on top of E root = Em7 kinda thing). You'll see a happy song turn melancholy and dark in a instant!
 
I think it's way easier to write darker songs. At the very least, the song has to have a little "angst" to it. Like even in the lyrics to "Walking on Sunshine" she's singing about how her baby isn't around a whole lot. I think any "happy" song has to have at least a little contrast in it with some sad/dark stuff like that.
 
I can totally relate as well, I often write about struggles with addiction even though I'm a very mellow, "unaddicted" and happy guy.

For me personally, dark songs are easier to write only because when I'm in a somber mood, I'm in more of the concentrated and pensive state of mind needed to patiently write and record music. On the contrary, when I'm bright/happy/excited, I rarely have the patience to sit down and develop a song. Instead I prefer to jam with some friends and let music organically just happen.

Also, writing and recording music tends to be a therapeutic experience for me, and as such, darker songs tend to flow more naturally.

Plus, when I sit down and try to put pen to paper creating a bright song about how ecstatic I am and how great life is, I can't help but feel like a pompous douche :thumbs up:

Hahaha! You totally nailed that one! When your in good spirits you want to jam, and when you're in despair you want to be alone and write.
 
Almost all of our songs are with some darkness to it. I remember making a comment to the band that we had to start writing songs that didn't end with someone dying lol

I think for us is that we write most of our songs about real life events and we simply don't get inspired by happy events. Dark events tend to trigger more emotion.

However, we were able to write a happy song about my daughters graduation haha
 
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