Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
minerman ...... they sound good in the mix .......... all that matters.
minerman
Tonetard
Thanks Greg,
The T15 clip on it's own is pretty harsh sounding, with little or no bottom at all, I may re-amp it again with different amp settings to see if I can get more "oomph" on that track...It does sound pretty good in the mix, so I might just leave it as-is too...IIRC, the Tweaker's settings were:
Vintage
Volume: 8
Brit tonestack
Treble: 9
Mid: 4-ish
Bass: 5
Hot
Gain: 2-3
Bright
Tight
I did have the SD-1 as a clean boost, & may have had the tone knob up more than it needed, I clipped the C6 thingie in my pedal a while back, & it can get pretty harsh if you turn the tone knob past 5/noon, but don't remember right off how the pedal was set, I'd have to open the daw & see (I keep settings saved in each track/project)...
The track with all the fx (Univibe, Flange, etc) is the same amp settings as above too, I just added the fx in the daw (the Univibe was "printed" as it went into the amp, but the other fx are post, & can be turned off if I want)...
On the EVH thing, I really wasn't trying to sound like him as much as I wanted a hot-rodded/modded Plexi sound if that makes any sense, but I suppose the sound does influence my playing to an extent, & you guys know I like Van Halen a lot, so....But, I really wasn't trying to cop an EVH "feel" or anything, I just thought the licks/riffs sounded cool myself....
I thnk the DSL kills the T15 on dirty sounds though, but both have their good/bad things about 'em....The settings on the DSL-1 were:
1w mode
Deep: On
Bass: 10
Mid: 4
Treble: 7
Tone Shift: Off
Master: 8
Gain: 4
Boosted with the SD-1 too, clean boost, but IIRC, the tone knob was at or below "5"...
Thanks again dude, gotta head out the door in about 10 mins....
The T15 clip on it's own is pretty harsh sounding, with little or no bottom at all, I may re-amp it again with different amp settings to see if I can get more "oomph" on that track...It does sound pretty good in the mix, so I might just leave it as-is too...IIRC, the Tweaker's settings were:
Vintage
Volume: 8
Brit tonestack
Treble: 9
Mid: 4-ish
Bass: 5
Hot
Gain: 2-3
Bright
Tight
I did have the SD-1 as a clean boost, & may have had the tone knob up more than it needed, I clipped the C6 thingie in my pedal a while back, & it can get pretty harsh if you turn the tone knob past 5/noon, but don't remember right off how the pedal was set, I'd have to open the daw & see (I keep settings saved in each track/project)...
The track with all the fx (Univibe, Flange, etc) is the same amp settings as above too, I just added the fx in the daw (the Univibe was "printed" as it went into the amp, but the other fx are post, & can be turned off if I want)...
On the EVH thing, I really wasn't trying to sound like him as much as I wanted a hot-rodded/modded Plexi sound if that makes any sense, but I suppose the sound does influence my playing to an extent, & you guys know I like Van Halen a lot, so....But, I really wasn't trying to cop an EVH "feel" or anything, I just thought the licks/riffs sounded cool myself....
I thnk the DSL kills the T15 on dirty sounds though, but both have their good/bad things about 'em....The settings on the DSL-1 were:
1w mode
Deep: On
Bass: 10
Mid: 4
Treble: 7
Tone Shift: Off
Master: 8
Gain: 4
Boosted with the SD-1 too, clean boost, but IIRC, the tone knob was at or below "5"...
Thanks again dude, gotta head out the door in about 10 mins....
minerman
Tonetard
Sorry I didn't reply to you Bob, you must've posted while I was typing....thanks dude, yep, the mix is what's important, & I think both my amps do a pretty good job for the type of stuff I do...Versatility has to go to the Tweaker, as it can do a Fender-ish/Marshall-ish pretty good, the Vox sound I really don't care for, but, I can dime the bass & treble, cut the mids pretty much out, & it does a Mesa-ish thing too....But, the DSL-1 kills it in the gain/dirty tones, especially for the 80's stuff that I love so much.....Thanks again dude!!!!
minerman
Tonetard
Trying to keep the thread alive here guys, here's some re-amped guitar tracks I did today....I wrote this song about 4 years ago, & totally re-did the whole song in 2011 (The first version of this was recorded on a Zoom HD8, then dumped the tracks into my pc & mixed 'em...). I re-amped the guitar di's today (these tracks are from 2011 btw, Ibanez RG350 w/stock p'ups) with the Marshall DSL-1, Greenback & '57 mic....
Lemme know what ya think....
Lemme know what ya think....
G
Greg_L
Banned
Can't listen now, but did you line out re-amp, or use a re-amp box?
minerman
Tonetard
I used the Radial Pro RMP dude, bought it right after I bought the Blackstar, almost 2 years ago now....I tried a bunch of ghetto re-amping things, but always had more noise than I could handle. As soon as I got the Radial, problem solved....
Actual signal chain: di/interface > TRS cable (hardware output 4 in Reaper) > Radial > SD-1 > DSL-1 H > Greenback > '57
Actual signal chain: di/interface > TRS cable (hardware output 4 in Reaper) > Radial > SD-1 > DSL-1 H > Greenback > '57
G
Greg_L
Banned
Cool man. Tracks sound great. I've noticed you sticking more and more with the DSL and Greenback. Good choices! One thing I noticed with the song is the timing is off. The guitars seem a little ahead of the drums - particularly in the chorus.
People try all sorts of ridiculous reamping tricks. I always say just buy the damn box and be done with it. How do you adjust the level coming out of the box? Is that something you just do by ear?
And how are you using that SD-1? What kind of settings? I like mine, better than the TS-9, but I only ever use it strictly as a clean boost. It sounds really awesome in front of the 2204, or I should say the 2204 sounds really awesome with the SD-1 in front. Either way.....
People try all sorts of ridiculous reamping tricks. I always say just buy the damn box and be done with it. How do you adjust the level coming out of the box? Is that something you just do by ear?
And how are you using that SD-1? What kind of settings? I like mine, better than the TS-9, but I only ever use it strictly as a clean boost. It sounds really awesome in front of the 2204, or I should say the 2204 sounds really awesome with the SD-1 in front. Either way.....
minerman
Tonetard
Thanks Greg,
I noticed the timing issues yesterday while I was re-amping...I might try to slide 'em around a hair, but really, a whole re-track is in order I suppose....
My interface has 4 outputs (TRS), I use 1/2 for my monitors, & either 3 or 4 for the re-amp box. I run a TRS cable from output 4 into the Radial (TRS-XLR cable), then a guitar cable from the re-amp box into the SD-1, then another cable into the amp...Works like a charm dude...
The Radial I own has a polarity switch, & an output knob. I keep it all the way up so I get as hot a signal as I can from the daw. I've never really had a need to turn the output down on the Radial to be honest. If the signal needs to be a little hotter (or even less), I can adjust that in the daw using the di's fader, or a gain plug/whatever. There are so many things I could tweak/adjust it's stupid, but, it works pretty good IMO....
There is a slight signal decrease into the amp using the Radial though, not much, but a little. That's why I keep the output cranked, & sometimes I hit the re-amp box a little hotter with the track fader/gain plug...
I tried all kinds of shit (I dunno if you remember me posting about it here or not), I bought a transformer/XLR adapter thing (on Jimmy's advice), & while it did cut some of the noise, it was still more than I could handle. Sure, I could've edited/processed most of it out, but just plunked $100 on the Radial & that solved everything...
I have found I can use vst's as stompboxes with the re-amp box too. That's how I did the comparison between my real SD-1 & Amplitube 3's emulation. I mentioned this a couple months ago, I've got a killer setup to be honest, I've got just about any effect I'd ever wanna use dude, & then some. As long as I adjust the levels of the fx & make sure it doesn't sound like shit that is....Some of the fx I've tried aren't that good really, but the SD-1, Univibe, TS-9 & a couple more in AT3 are really good. Then, I've got Guitar Rig's fx (like the talkbox, phasers, etc), but I've found I have to fiddle with the "wet/dry" knob to make those sound ok.....Lots of options here dude, too many really....
What I really need are a couple different speakers (maybe, I do like that Greenback a lot, I think it's finally getting broken in really good), & a couple more/different mics...But, the way things have been going for me $$$-wise, I don't know when I'm going to be able to buy anything else, sucks, but that's life....I look at it this way though, I've got 2 pretty decent guitars, a shitty bass, a decent acoustic, 2 great little amps, 2 pretty good speakers, a couple decent mics, & a shitload of plug-ins, that's a lot more than a lot of people have, & I'm grateful for it....It could always be worse you know???? I would still like to have another amp or three, but really, I've got a great little setup, especially compared to a few years ago when I was using the Zoom HD8 (I personally thought it sucked, & even more so when I started using a pc setup)...
On the guitar tracks I posted yesterday, the SD-1 is: Level: 10, Drive: 2-3, Tone: 4-5...I clipped C6 in my SD-1, so if I turn the tone up past 5, it gets really shrill. Just clipped that to see if I'd like it or not & haven't soldered it back....A couple of those tracks have Guitar Rig's Rat emulation on 'em....
Thanks again, I might see if I can slide those tracks in time, but really, I'd say it'd be better just to re-record 'em....
Post us some of your toans dude!!!!!!!!
I noticed the timing issues yesterday while I was re-amping...I might try to slide 'em around a hair, but really, a whole re-track is in order I suppose....
My interface has 4 outputs (TRS), I use 1/2 for my monitors, & either 3 or 4 for the re-amp box. I run a TRS cable from output 4 into the Radial (TRS-XLR cable), then a guitar cable from the re-amp box into the SD-1, then another cable into the amp...Works like a charm dude...
The Radial I own has a polarity switch, & an output knob. I keep it all the way up so I get as hot a signal as I can from the daw. I've never really had a need to turn the output down on the Radial to be honest. If the signal needs to be a little hotter (or even less), I can adjust that in the daw using the di's fader, or a gain plug/whatever. There are so many things I could tweak/adjust it's stupid, but, it works pretty good IMO....
There is a slight signal decrease into the amp using the Radial though, not much, but a little. That's why I keep the output cranked, & sometimes I hit the re-amp box a little hotter with the track fader/gain plug...
I tried all kinds of shit (I dunno if you remember me posting about it here or not), I bought a transformer/XLR adapter thing (on Jimmy's advice), & while it did cut some of the noise, it was still more than I could handle. Sure, I could've edited/processed most of it out, but just plunked $100 on the Radial & that solved everything...
I have found I can use vst's as stompboxes with the re-amp box too. That's how I did the comparison between my real SD-1 & Amplitube 3's emulation. I mentioned this a couple months ago, I've got a killer setup to be honest, I've got just about any effect I'd ever wanna use dude, & then some. As long as I adjust the levels of the fx & make sure it doesn't sound like shit that is....Some of the fx I've tried aren't that good really, but the SD-1, Univibe, TS-9 & a couple more in AT3 are really good. Then, I've got Guitar Rig's fx (like the talkbox, phasers, etc), but I've found I have to fiddle with the "wet/dry" knob to make those sound ok.....Lots of options here dude, too many really....
What I really need are a couple different speakers (maybe, I do like that Greenback a lot, I think it's finally getting broken in really good), & a couple more/different mics...But, the way things have been going for me $$$-wise, I don't know when I'm going to be able to buy anything else, sucks, but that's life....I look at it this way though, I've got 2 pretty decent guitars, a shitty bass, a decent acoustic, 2 great little amps, 2 pretty good speakers, a couple decent mics, & a shitload of plug-ins, that's a lot more than a lot of people have, & I'm grateful for it....It could always be worse you know???? I would still like to have another amp or three, but really, I've got a great little setup, especially compared to a few years ago when I was using the Zoom HD8 (I personally thought it sucked, & even more so when I started using a pc setup)...
On the guitar tracks I posted yesterday, the SD-1 is: Level: 10, Drive: 2-3, Tone: 4-5...I clipped C6 in my SD-1, so if I turn the tone up past 5, it gets really shrill. Just clipped that to see if I'd like it or not & haven't soldered it back....A couple of those tracks have Guitar Rig's Rat emulation on 'em....
Thanks again, I might see if I can slide those tracks in time, but really, I'd say it'd be better just to re-record 'em....
Post us some of your toans dude!!!!!!!!
G
Greg_L
Banned
Cool thanks. What I guess I'm not understanding about reamping is how you'd match the level coming out of the box to the level an actual guitar pickup would spit out. I've messed with it for other people, but I think we just lucked out. The amp had to be set much differently for reamping than what we used for the live tracks. In my mind, I'd want the signal hitting the amp to be as close as possible to the level a pickup puts out. No more, no less. I know going straight line out into an amp can sound muddy and/or drive the preamp section of the amp too hard. A reamp box is supposed to, in theory, convert the line signal to a high-Z and drop it to instrument level. Or something like that. Whatever.
I sent the 2204 to another shop to get a double-check. I've been noticing it gets a little harsh when it's cranked up and the change in sound when making small adjustments is pretty significant at different volumes. There's a place here in town called Steamboat Amps and they make custom built one-of-a-kind amps and cabs from scratch. They're a really cool little home-grown local amp company that does badass work and they specialize in vintage stuff. Their work is amazing. Anyway, they found a goofy mod on my 2204 that does something with the high end in the first gain stage. He said something like it adds more gain and high end at lower volumes, which makes it go insane at high volumes. It also has a preamp tube going bad. I don't want anything like that on that amp, it's already crazy bright, so I had them put it to factory stock. I'm gonna pick it up tomorrow and will get more info.....and post some toanz....
I sent the 2204 to another shop to get a double-check. I've been noticing it gets a little harsh when it's cranked up and the change in sound when making small adjustments is pretty significant at different volumes. There's a place here in town called Steamboat Amps and they make custom built one-of-a-kind amps and cabs from scratch. They're a really cool little home-grown local amp company that does badass work and they specialize in vintage stuff. Their work is amazing. Anyway, they found a goofy mod on my 2204 that does something with the high end in the first gain stage. He said something like it adds more gain and high end at lower volumes, which makes it go insane at high volumes. It also has a preamp tube going bad. I don't want anything like that on that amp, it's already crazy bright, so I had them put it to factory stock. I'm gonna pick it up tomorrow and will get more info.....and post some toanz....
minerman
Tonetard
Right, the re-amp box is supposed to turn the line signal coming from the interface into instrument level...From my experiences, it pretty much does...The Radial I use is really quiet, & does a pretty good job IMO. I've read about higher-end boxes being better (like the Little Labs Red Eye, which is about $300 IIRC), but they also cost a lot more, so really, for $100, it does what I need, & I'm happy with it....
Radial ProRMP
I really don't hear much of a difference when I re-amp tracks Greg, & I really don't have to set the amp differently like you mentioned. I will say that the output of the Radial is a hair low compared to plugging my guitar straight in. I usually will record a test clip (straight into the amp), then try to get the di to hit the amp & get the same sound/gain/od level. On the di track, I kill the master output, & just use the send (output 4) if I need a little more signal, I'll bump the send level a little bit (I keep the track fader on "0", the vol fader will affect how hot the signal is too)....I've messed with automating the di's fader a few times too, kinda like when you roll the vol back on your guitar, & it seems to have a similar effect, so like I said, there are really endless possibilities....
I suppose you could match the p'up signal by watching the meter in the di track (IE: hitting the strings hard the meter peaks at -6, just make sure while re-amping the meter matches as close as possible)??? But, the pre-amp gain on the interface could affect the signal.....I guess the best way (for me anyway) to match 'em up would be recording a test track (straight into the amp), & make the di/re-amp box have about the same gain level......I guess....
Probably a good thing you sent your 2204 to the shop dude, might've had an expensive disaster with that baby...Plus, if you're like me, whenever something like that does happen, I go apeshit....
Be sure to post some toans when you get the amp back dude, from what I've heard from it, I really like it...a lot....You're giving me fuckin' GAS again too, seems like the harder I try to save up for something (like the "big" amp I've been drooling over), the more shit happens, but, I've still got my 'lil Marshall, my Tweaker, & a shitload of ampsims, guess I'll just have to shine it on for a while longer....BUT, Santa's right around the corner too, he might bring me something nice on a payment plan since I've been such a good fuckin' boy this year....
I'll record a couple little clips in a little while, comparing the SD-1 in Amplitube to my pedal just for shits-n-giggles to see if you can pick which one is the real thing....Gimme an hour or so, gotta get a shower & a bite to eat.....
Radial ProRMP
I really don't hear much of a difference when I re-amp tracks Greg, & I really don't have to set the amp differently like you mentioned. I will say that the output of the Radial is a hair low compared to plugging my guitar straight in. I usually will record a test clip (straight into the amp), then try to get the di to hit the amp & get the same sound/gain/od level. On the di track, I kill the master output, & just use the send (output 4) if I need a little more signal, I'll bump the send level a little bit (I keep the track fader on "0", the vol fader will affect how hot the signal is too)....I've messed with automating the di's fader a few times too, kinda like when you roll the vol back on your guitar, & it seems to have a similar effect, so like I said, there are really endless possibilities....
I suppose you could match the p'up signal by watching the meter in the di track (IE: hitting the strings hard the meter peaks at -6, just make sure while re-amping the meter matches as close as possible)??? But, the pre-amp gain on the interface could affect the signal.....I guess the best way (for me anyway) to match 'em up would be recording a test track (straight into the amp), & make the di/re-amp box have about the same gain level......I guess....
Probably a good thing you sent your 2204 to the shop dude, might've had an expensive disaster with that baby...Plus, if you're like me, whenever something like that does happen, I go apeshit....
Be sure to post some toans when you get the amp back dude, from what I've heard from it, I really like it...a lot....You're giving me fuckin' GAS again too, seems like the harder I try to save up for something (like the "big" amp I've been drooling over), the more shit happens, but, I've still got my 'lil Marshall, my Tweaker, & a shitload of ampsims, guess I'll just have to shine it on for a while longer....BUT, Santa's right around the corner too, he might bring me something nice on a payment plan since I've been such a good fuckin' boy this year.
...I'll record a couple little clips in a little while, comparing the SD-1 in Amplitube to my pedal just for shits-n-giggles to see if you can pick which one is the real thing....Gimme an hour or so, gotta get a shower & a bite to eat.....
G
Greg_L
Banned
Lol. I really feel pretty set right now. I'm no longer gassing for big stuff. Just little things. I wanna try one of those P-Rails pickups in my Mosrite clone. I had a pickup custom made for it, and I like it a lot, but I just want to try it because they're such a cool idea. I think Lt Boob has one in his Stinnet. And I want to do a full resto on the B cab. It needs it. Some people like their shit all beat up because it adds character. I'm fine with that if I'm the one that beat it up. I don't want to show off someone else's beat up shit. Lol. So I'm gonna restore it. And with my plans for the B cab, I might sell off the 2x12. I won't need it anymore. I do still keep an eye out for P-90 SGs though. I'm not gassing for one, but if the right one comes along for the right price, I might jump on it.
I haven't even scratched at all the shit this JVM can do, and I've been meaning to put up some fresh clips, but everytime I plug in I end up just rocking out by myself for an hour or writing something new. If I actually practiced as much as I just fuck around, I'd probably be halfway good.
These are the guys working on my amp
http://www.steamboatampworks.com/Home.html
https://www.facebook.com/steamboatampworks
Really cool stuff.
I haven't even scratched at all the shit this JVM can do, and I've been meaning to put up some fresh clips, but everytime I plug in I end up just rocking out by myself for an hour or writing something new. If I actually practiced as much as I just fuck around, I'd probably be halfway good.
These are the guys working on my amp
http://www.steamboatampworks.com/Home.html
https://www.facebook.com/steamboatampworks
Really cool stuff.
minerman
Tonetard
Fell asleep on the couch again...lol....You know, I go back & forth on my GAS, sometimes I want a full stack, Les Paul, Kramers, etc., then sometimes I want little stuff too...
Something I really need is a decent set of headphones. I'm using a set of Sony MDR-V150's I got at Wal-Mart about 4-5 years ago.... This is my second set, I wore another set of 'em out. I've tried all kinds of cheap 'phones, & to me these particular Sony's are better than any I've tried. While they're only $20, I can't find 'em locally anymore, so I'm probably gonna have to bite the bullet before too long & get a good set of 'phones...I had a set of low end Sennheiser's I got with the Tascam interface I had, but I honestly thought these cheap Sony's sounded better than those did. I don't remember the model (Sennheiser's), but do remember when I looked 'em up, they were only about $30-40, so they weren't much really...
Anyway, gonna fire up the amp/daw & do those clips I promised last night before I went into a coma on the couch...
Something I really need is a decent set of headphones. I'm using a set of Sony MDR-V150's I got at Wal-Mart about 4-5 years ago....
This is my second set, I wore another set of 'em out. I've tried all kinds of cheap 'phones, & to me these particular Sony's are better than any I've tried. While they're only $20, I can't find 'em locally anymore, so I'm probably gonna have to bite the bullet before too long & get a good set of 'phones...I had a set of low end Sennheiser's I got with the Tascam interface I had, but I honestly thought these cheap Sony's sounded better than those did. I don't remember the model (Sennheiser's), but do remember when I looked 'em up, they were only about $30-40, so they weren't much really...Anyway, gonna fire up the amp/daw & do those clips I promised last night before I went into a coma on the couch...
minerman
Tonetard
Ok, here's the comparison, see if you can tell which is the real SD-1 & which is the vst emulation....Both the real pedal & the emulation were set as close as I could get 'em...
Level: 10
Tone: 5
Drive: 2
Signal chain:
Ibanez RG350 (SH-11 bridge p'up) > Boss SD-1 > DSL-1 H > Greenback > '57
Amp settings:
1w mode
Red/Ultra Gain Channel
Gain: 4
Volume: 10
Bass: 10
Mid: 4
Treble: 5
Deep: On
Tone Shift: Off
Here's just the amp:
W/boost:
W/boost:
Greg: You asked last night how I like to use/set my SD-1, I mainly use it for a clean boost (Level: 10, Drive: 0, Tone to taste), but I do add a little gain from the pedal sometimes too, to help push the amp further into od/distortion usually the drive never goes above 2-3 though. Sometimes I use it on the clean channel of the DSL for all the dirt/drive, but I like it more on the red channel, already sorta dirty, then using the pedal to push it a little more...
Do you still have the Rat pedal dude???
Level: 10
Tone: 5
Drive: 2
Signal chain:
Ibanez RG350 (SH-11 bridge p'up) > Boss SD-1 > DSL-1 H > Greenback > '57
Amp settings:
1w mode
Red/Ultra Gain Channel
Gain: 4
Volume: 10
Bass: 10
Mid: 4
Treble: 5
Deep: On
Tone Shift: Off
Here's just the amp:
W/boost:
W/boost:
Greg: You asked last night how I like to use/set my SD-1, I mainly use it for a clean boost (Level: 10, Drive: 0, Tone to taste), but I do add a little gain from the pedal sometimes too, to help push the amp further into od/distortion usually the drive never goes above 2-3 though. Sometimes I use it on the clean channel of the DSL for all the dirt/drive, but I like it more on the red channel, already sorta dirty, then using the pedal to push it a little more...
Do you still have the Rat pedal dude???
G
Greg_L
Banned
Ok I'm gonna guess the second boosted clip is the real SD-1. The first one sounds too...um....compressed I guess. So other than a wild guess, that's what I'm going with. In any case, the amp alone sounds better than both to me for a riff like that.
Yup, I still have the Rat. It's sitting here collecting dust like it has been for the past 15 years or so.
Got the ol beast 2204 back today. The guy found this capacitor.......
....soldered across a preamp screen resistor or some technical mumbo-jumbo like that. He's not even sure why whoever put it there, put it there. It's not supposed to be there. According to the tech it's not something anyone would normally do to an amp like this. He suspects it was to filter out some highs at the first gain stage, but he says all it actually did was the opposite. He also found some weird joining up of the low and high inputs which screws up both. Fixed that. And he said I needed a new tube in V1, so I popped one in myself. I just gotta take his word for it. I wish I knew more about this shit. This is the second tech that's seen it, and the first guy removed some power tube mod weirdness but didn't notice anything else. This new dude seems more like an amp nerd and actually hand builds booteek amps that literally kick ass, so I'm comfortable with it. Removing that cap and fixing the inputs certainly has made a difference. The amp has slightly less gain overall, which is good to me, and it's way smoother now. All of the gain is more usable and less harsh. Low gain is cleaner, higher gain is less sizzly. So all in all now I supposedly have a perfectly clean bill of health on the 2204. Yay!
The guy also showed me around his shop and I got to play with some of his amps and cabs. Alls I can say is VERY impressive. They're incredible. And expensive. But definitely awesome. His stuff is all original designed, hand-made, hand-wired, vintage inspired. There's not a PCB or digital anything anywhere to be found on his stuff. He has a 50w that can be switched from SS to tube rectifier, go half power, high and low inputs, and you can use any full size power tubes in it. It had built in bias test points for each tube and you can fine tune the bias with regular pots on the back without removing the chassis. How cool is that? It sounded totally awesome. It was like a Vox, Orange, and Marshall all in one. For $2050 it can be yours!
Yup, I still have the Rat. It's sitting here collecting dust like it has been for the past 15 years or so.
Got the ol beast 2204 back today. The guy found this capacitor.......
....soldered across a preamp screen resistor or some technical mumbo-jumbo like that. He's not even sure why whoever put it there, put it there. It's not supposed to be there. According to the tech it's not something anyone would normally do to an amp like this. He suspects it was to filter out some highs at the first gain stage, but he says all it actually did was the opposite. He also found some weird joining up of the low and high inputs which screws up both. Fixed that. And he said I needed a new tube in V1, so I popped one in myself. I just gotta take his word for it. I wish I knew more about this shit. This is the second tech that's seen it, and the first guy removed some power tube mod weirdness but didn't notice anything else. This new dude seems more like an amp nerd and actually hand builds booteek amps that literally kick ass, so I'm comfortable with it. Removing that cap and fixing the inputs certainly has made a difference. The amp has slightly less gain overall, which is good to me, and it's way smoother now. All of the gain is more usable and less harsh. Low gain is cleaner, higher gain is less sizzly. So all in all now I supposedly have a perfectly clean bill of health on the 2204. Yay!
The guy also showed me around his shop and I got to play with some of his amps and cabs. Alls I can say is VERY impressive. They're incredible. And expensive. But definitely awesome. His stuff is all original designed, hand-made, hand-wired, vintage inspired. There's not a PCB or digital anything anywhere to be found on his stuff. He has a 50w that can be switched from SS to tube rectifier, go half power, high and low inputs, and you can use any full size power tubes in it. It had built in bias test points for each tube and you can fine tune the bias with regular pots on the back without removing the chassis. How cool is that? It sounded totally awesome. It was like a Vox, Orange, and Marshall all in one. For $2050 it can be yours!
minerman
Tonetard
Cool on getting your amp back & having it "right", I'm sure it'll give you peace of mind, plus sounds to me like the amp now sounds like it was supposed to, so it's good dude...
I had a look at the Steamboat website last night, & while it all does look good, there's really nothing he has/builds that interests me honestly...Maybe one of his 1x12 or 2x12 cabs, but that's about it really....
You know talking about GAS, while I'd love to have a bigger/50/100w amp, with a 4x12, honestly, that'd be overkill for me right now. I think I'm gonna re-evaluate my wants & needs dude, I mean, I've got the T15 & DSL-1, they both sound pretty good (to me anyway), & every ampsim known to man (with the exception of Schuffam's S-Gear, which I demo'd & it's ok, but really not any better than anything I've already got...), I think I'm gonna go with "little" stuff for a while, like a good set of 'phones, maybe a couple pedals here/there, & some different speakers for my ISO cab....From what I've read & heard, Scumback make some killer guitar speakers, I might take what I've got saved & buy one....maybe.....To be honest, I'd like to have one of the 1w JMP's dude, I know you see 'em as "toys", but for my situation, it'd be perfect, like the DSL-1....Fuck it, to be honest, I'd like to have all 5 of the 1 watters..
Check this out:
Marshall Custom Shop JCM1 Mini Stack Only 40 in USA 250 Worldwide | eBay
While I'd never pay that much for that amp & 2 cabs, I do like how it looks....Looks like the micro-stack I had as a kid, & the one I had just last year...Unreal though, $1800 for that, if the head is the same as the regular 1 watters, that puts those cabs at $500 each....Fucking crazy....
On the clips, you had it backwards dude, the first clip is the real SD-1, but no biggie, probably wasn't a good comparison anyway. But honestly, there isn't much if any difference between my pedal & the AT3 emulation....
I recorded those tracks with my guitar plugged into my interface, recording the di & the real SD-1 track at the same time, then I re-amped the AT3-SD-1 track. That's how I always record my guitars now too, I always record a di along with the amp'd track.....
Post some tones of the "new" Marshall dude, pretty curious to hear what she sounds like now that your tech has got it "right"...
I had a look at the Steamboat website last night, & while it all does look good, there's really nothing he has/builds that interests me honestly...Maybe one of his 1x12 or 2x12 cabs, but that's about it really....
You know talking about GAS, while I'd love to have a bigger/50/100w amp, with a 4x12, honestly, that'd be overkill for me right now. I think I'm gonna re-evaluate my wants & needs dude, I mean, I've got the T15 & DSL-1, they both sound pretty good (to me anyway), & every ampsim known to man (with the exception of Schuffam's S-Gear, which I demo'd & it's ok, but really not any better than anything I've already got...), I think I'm gonna go with "little" stuff for a while, like a good set of 'phones, maybe a couple pedals here/there, & some different speakers for my ISO cab....From what I've read & heard, Scumback make some killer guitar speakers, I might take what I've got saved & buy one....maybe.....To be honest, I'd like to have one of the 1w JMP's dude, I know you see 'em as "toys", but for my situation, it'd be perfect, like the DSL-1....Fuck it, to be honest, I'd like to have all 5 of the 1 watters..
Check this out:
Marshall Custom Shop JCM1 Mini Stack Only 40 in USA 250 Worldwide | eBay
While I'd never pay that much for that amp & 2 cabs, I do like how it looks....Looks like the micro-stack I had as a kid, & the one I had just last year...Unreal though, $1800 for that, if the head is the same as the regular 1 watters, that puts those cabs at $500 each....Fucking crazy....
On the clips, you had it backwards dude, the first clip is the real SD-1, but no biggie, probably wasn't a good comparison anyway. But honestly, there isn't much if any difference between my pedal & the AT3 emulation....
I recorded those tracks with my guitar plugged into my interface, recording the di & the real SD-1 track at the same time, then I re-amped the AT3-SD-1 track. That's how I always record my guitars now too, I always record a di along with the amp'd track.....
Post some tones of the "new" Marshall dude, pretty curious to hear what she sounds like now that your tech has got it "right"...
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Greg_L
Banned
Yeah I wouldn't think you'd want anything from Steamboat, I just think what they do is very cool. I was really impressed with their stuff and how focused and dedicated the guys are. I think they cater more to the indie/alternative and country/blues crowd. Vintage old-school cleans and crunch are their thing. I didn't get the impression that they're into high gain stuff. But they'll build you anything you want....get your wallet out. Lol. He did say he's working on a JCM 800 inspired design. I wouldn't be interested in that. I'd just buy an 800 if I wanted one. I like their stuff because it's original and unique and all hand made by humans. The cabs are cool as shit.
That is crazy. You one watt people are bonkers. Lol. I've played the JMP-1 and didn't like it. I actually think the Class 5 is better at that kind of sound. If you want that old school vintage Marshall sound that you can drive hard with pedals, look into a Class 5 head, and they're WAY cheaper than those silly one watters. And I gotta tell you, Scumbacks seem to be overpriced, overhyped, and the owner seems to be kind of a douche. I don't really have any negative experience with them myself, but if anything I've heard from several people is true, I'd never buy anything from them, new or used. Stick with the real stuff or check out WGS. I've sent Scumback emails asking about their stuff, no response. I've sent WGS emails and get a quick response every time. And for you man, you don't play live, right? Your guitar tracks sound great and are just right for your style. You've already got more recording options than you know what to do with. I get your GAS, but yeah, maybe you should take a step back......or get a full stack.You know talking about GAS, while I'd love to have a bigger/50/100w amp, with a 4x12, honestly, that'd be overkill for me right now. I think I'm gonna re-evaluate my wants & needs dude, I mean, I've got the T15 & DSL-1, they both sound pretty good (to me anyway), & every ampsim known to man (with the exception of Schuffam's S-Gear, which I demo'd & it's ok, but really not any better than anything I've already got...), I think I'm gonna go with "little" stuff for a while, like a good set of 'phones, maybe a couple pedals here/there, & some different speakers for my ISO cab....From what I've read & heard, Scumback make some killer guitar speakers, I might take what I've got saved & buy one....maybe.....To be honest, I'd like to have one of the 1w JMP's dude, I know you see 'em as "toys", but for my situation, it'd be perfect, like the DSL-1....Fuck it, to be honest, I'd like to have all 5 of the 1 watters..
Check this out:
Marshall Custom Shop JCM1 Mini Stack Only 40 in USA 250 Worldwide | eBay
While I'd never pay that much for that amp & 2 cabs, I do like how it looks....Looks like the micro-stack I had as a kid, & the one I had just last year...Unreal though, $1800 for that, if the head is the same as the regular 1 watters, that puts those cabs at $500 each....Fucking crazy....
Figures. Even with 50/50 odds I get it wrong. Lol. I've always said that in the right hands, good sims will fool literally anyone. Even the most hardcore tube snobs can't tell the real thing from a good sim on a recording.
I will. My 2204 doesn't really sound that different now, but it acts different if you know what I mean. It's still a raucous beast, but it's like the rough edges have been smoothed out from a control and dynamics standpoint. I'm not sure it's gonna translate into a microphone. It's tighter and more responsive and less bright. The master volume is more linear. It's shocking how much influence that one little capacitor had on the amp. It does have to be quite loud though to really hit it's sweet spot, and it's still a very raw aggressive tone. I don't know what it is or why, but the 2204 seems to shake my house worse than the JVM does at the same relative volumes.
minerman
Tonetard
Yeah Greg, you know by now I'm a high-gain type of guy, & again, I really wouldn't be interested in any of their amps, but maybe one of their cabs, but really, if I were to get another cab, I'd probably go with Sourmash or Avatar to be honest....Bang for your buck, from what I've read, Sourmash or Avatar are hard to beat....
On the amp side, I feel the Tweaker's got the vintage/edge of breakup/Fender-ish thing covered pretty good. With a simple power tube swap, it can get even more Fender-ish. I just happen to like what the 6p3s tubes do for the vintage-y Marshall-ish thing....And, for a more modern type sound, IMO the DSL-1's got that covered pretty good IMO...I've tried to get it to sound Mesa-ish, but it really doesn't do that, but, I've got my ampsims for that too....To be honest, I really don't like that scooped-mids thing a lot, especially in modern metal (with those hilarious cookie monster vocals...LOL) but that's just me...
Oh dude, I'd never pay that much for that amp, ever. Whoever bought that thing has more $$$ than sense IMO, that's just fucking insane. I can see the head being a custom shop thing, being a little more expensive, but $500/cab, that's ridiculous....FWIW, I paid $600 for my DSL-1 brand new with the full warranty, not the usual $800 price...That is crazy. You one watt people are bonkers. Lol. I've played the JMP-1 and didn't like it. I actually think the Class 5 is better at that kind of sound. If you want that old school vintage Marshall sound that you can drive hard with pedals, look into a Class 5 head, and they're WAY cheaper than those silly one watters. And I gotta tell you, Scumbacks seem to be overpriced, overhyped, and the owner seems to be kind of a douche. I don't really have any negative experience with them myself, but if anything I've heard from several people is true, I'd never buy anything from them, new or used. Stick with the real stuff or check out WGS. I've sent Scumback emails asking about their stuff, no response. I've sent WGS emails and get a quick response every time. And for you man, you don't play live, right? Your guitar tracks sound great and are just right for your style. You've already got more recording options than you know what to do with. I get your GAS, but yeah, maybe you should take a step back......or get a full stack.
Glad you gave me a heads up on Scumback, didn't know about the negative stuff with 'em. Just from what I've heard/read, the Scumback speakers are really good at cloning the vintage speakers I'd be interested in. Honestly, I'd rather have the original(s), but the prices are way too high, & it's a crap shoot buying used. I don't think I'd ever buy a used speaker online, unless it had some kind of warranty/guarantee for "X" amount of months...
WGS is supposed to be a good speaker company, & they are pretty quick to respond to people. I've e-mailed 'em myself too...
On the options thing, I've got the Greenback & V30 covered, I was just thinking maybe another different speaker or two would round out & possibly finish my GAS on speaker choices....A G12T-75 would probably be my next choice for a speaker, as those are pretty much "stock" Marshall speakers that come in their cabs (especially in the 80's....LOL)...
But, then again, the more I use my Greenback, the more I like it, so really, I'm probably good on speakers too....
As much as I'd love to have a full-stack, it just wouldn't be used properly here dude. Even a half-stack would be overkill with my current situation....If I ever get another house (which will happen eventually), then I might be able to use a stack, but for now, really, what I've got works, & honestly, it works really good. I can crank either of my amps with my wife sleeping across the hall, & she never even knows it, & that itself is worth the trouble/time/$$$ I've invested in my amp/cab setup....
No gigs for me either dude, I used to play every weekend, but haven't in over 10 years now. Don't see it happening again either to be honest, so, home recording/bedroom warrior is my permanent title....LOL...Thanks for the compliment on my guitar tones, but I do have to say you deserve some credit too, you've helped me along the way since I started using real amps almost 2 years ago...Thanks dude!!!
Maybe your ears are a lot better than mine, but I really can't tell a lot of difference in the tracks I posted. Maybe a really subtle one, but not much....And yes, ampsims can fool a lot of people....When I was doing the VH thing a few months ago, I posted it in the Marshall forum. There's a guy there (a real snob, not just a tube snob, a rich, "look at all the stuff I have" prick of a snob, who acts like everyone else is "beneath" him basically because he's rich...I fucking hate people like that, I mean, he shits just like I do...) who kept giving me advice, & when I finally posted the "final" clip, he never replied back after I told him I was using Amplitube...
Be sure to post some clips dude, not sure why it rattles your house more than the JVM, but that's cool. I remember my Jubilee back in the day, my Dad threatened to shoot me & my amp one time because I'd been smoking pot & decided to crank it up while he was asleep (at like 1-2 in the morning...)....LOL...Needless to say, I didn't do that again (crank the amp, I smoked dope up until about 7 years ago...
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Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
I actually have a set of them as the p'ups for my Stinnett.
ummmm ...... I like 'em ..... p'ups are so personal you'll have to just try one to know if they'll do for you but they're not particularly 'hot' ......
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Greg_L
Banned
My 2x12 is an Avatar, and I think it's great. It's huge, for a typical 2x12. It's almost the same size as my 1960. I haven't put them side by side, but I think it's considerably bigger than your standard Mesa, Marshall, or Orange 2x12. Often you look into a 2x12 and the speakers go right to the edge of the framing. Not on this one. It could almost be a 4x10. Maybe if you staggered the speakers a little you could fit four 10s in it. It's big. And it has a convertible open/closed back. It sounds like a big cab. That's what I've got the Vintage 30s sitting in.
From what I've been reading and with my limited amp knowledge, it makes sense to me that your little DSL would be a good pairing with the Greenback. I'm gonna ramble here for a minute....For one, the amp's tiny wattage almost plays right into a Greenbacks sweet spot. But also, the DSL is a pretty "tight" amp. I'm gonna assume your little DSL has theoretically the same power section topology as the bigger ones. It's got a modern flavor and with Marshalls that usually means a lot of negative feedback in the power section. That kind of sound works well with a loose speaker like a Greenback. And it's also why those old 4-hole Super Leads worked awesome with Greenbacks. They too were tight amps with a lot of negative feedback and why you had to literally crank them to the moon to get them to break up. And like my JVM....it LOVES my Greenbacks. It too is naturally a very tight amp. On the flip side, the master volume 800s, and my JMP, are "loose" amps with supposedly the least amount of negative feedback in stock form from Marshall. The 70s MV JMPs and vertical input JCM 800s are Marshall's most balls-out amps. Not the highest gain, but the most perceived power and punch. They get wild and wooly right away, and they like a tighter speaker like the common G12-65s and G12T-75s.....which each came on the scene right as these MV amps were introduced. It's like the Marshall people realized, hey, these 2203s are murdering Greenbacks, we need something tougher. The JMP 2203/04 era cabs mostly came with G12-65s, the 800 cabs mostly came with the 65s and later the 75s. Generally speaking, of course. You could get Greenbacks too back then, but by the mid/late 70s they made 65s and later 75s the standard, common speakers for 1960 cabs. Those speakers were better suited for the looser 2203/2204s, and my own experience confirms this, to me anyway. My slutty loose JMP sounds better through the "tighter" G12-65s and G12T-75s than it does through my Greenbacks. But really, the G12T-75 is a good all-around speaker that will work with anything, but maybe not sound the best all the time. I have two laying around right now, and will soon have two more when I fix up this B cab. Gimme a little time and if you're interested I'll sell you one.
Lol. That's hilarious. Those guys are retards over there. I do hear a pretty significant difference in your 3 clips. The amp alone clip is obviously much different, but the one I thought was the real SD-1 has a more open, natural kind of sound to it to me. Turns out it was the sim version, and that's pretty cool. Your real SD-1 clip sounds thinner and more compressed to me......like a sim. Maybe you should un-mod it.Maybe your ears are a lot better than mine, but I really can't tell a lot of difference in the tracks I posted. Maybe a really subtle one, but not much....And yes, ampsims can fool a lot of people....When I was doing the VH thing a few months ago, I posted it in the Marshall forum. There's a guy there (a real snob, not just a tube snob, a rich, "look at all the stuff I have" prick of a snob, who acts like everyone else is "beneath" him basically because he's rich...I fucking hate people like that, I mean, he shits just like I do...) who kept giving me advice, & when I finally posted the "final" clip, he never replied back after I told him I was using Amplitube...
I will. I got some ready. I can only attribute the earth shaking to the looser power section in the JMP. It gets power tubey really fast. It's not by any means a bedroom amp. Lol. For being *only* 50 watts, it sounds friggin gigantic. The JVM is loud as fuck too, but it's a more sophisticated loud. They're totally night and day, like race cars. The JVM is an Indy Car, the JMP is a Top-Fuel Dragster.
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Greg_L
Banned
Yeah I'm gonna get one here pretty soon and try it out. Just a bridge version. Hot pickups aren't my thing. I seem to like a more moderate or "vintage" type output. One of my bandmates puts Gibson 500Ts in everything. They're stupid hot. They work great for his sound, but they're not for me. My idea with the P-Rails is to get a Strat-ish and P-90 sound from the Hallmark. I like the guitar so much I want it to do just about everything.