12 inch vinyl single versus digital transfer

[Lukesteele]

It does appear odd to digitally archiive a wide warm 12" single, upload it to a streamer and then ask people to listen to how good it is.
Why didn't you deal with the crackles, pops, clicks & smears? I assume the noise wasn't from a VST in the processing.
It doesn't sound bad but I can't really tell if it's good audio because it's a soundclick streamer.
Honestly, I'd be embarrassed to ask money for a vinyl rip that hadn't been properly "restored".
I have quite a few 12" singles & EPs. I've digitized/archived the vinyl I have that is unlikely to be released on CD. I did it properly with a good program & TIME. I made sure the gear I used was good and when I play vinyl or CDs I use a decent system. 2.1 at best are the Bose Lifestyle set up (which was interesting but I didn't like it) & at worst, as most are, is a couple of tweets straining and a sub that just thumps - all boxed in fragile plastic that jumps around.
What made vinyl extra creamy on a good stereo was the combo of tweeter, mid range & woofer. If the boxes didn't carry a woofer then at least a Mid range that went reasonably low al in solid cabs that sat still or were nicely stood on spikes.
Luke, as a fellow Aussie (along with Bobbsy) I have to ask if you've been to Tuggerah Lakes because when you miss read/misinterpret you certainly become one of them.
I have a 1/2 speed of Born To Run. Having read about it they stuffed it up over at Columbia because they didn't take into acccount the EQing needed for the speed change. That LP sounds pretty good to me but the bottom end is lacking.
I still buy CDs. Bought some Shoegazer stuff last week and the new Sabbath album a couple of weeks ago ( I had to listen to Ozzy, Iommi & Butler with some sort of decent quality for my 56th birthday - as a teen I said I'd be listening to Sabbs in my rockin' chair so thought I'd better try it). Oh, I don't use Amazon though.

Hi Ray, I can't hear a single pop, click or problem on soundclick and neither can my band. As far as whining about lo-res steaming being a problem, all I can say is your pc system or your ears may need help sorry mate!

 

[witzendoz]

What I want to know is are you in fact Luke, if you are not did you steal his name or is your name Luke steel as well. If you are not Luke does he know you are using his name? Do you want me to tell him.

Alan.

 

[Lt. Bob]

You could have ASKED me .

I did ask you .... you said that was insulting to you.



And I didn't say anything about your mix .... I said that digital streaming sounds like crap which it does and isn't that part of what you're saying? That digital is not great sounding? And in streaming it's even worse. So once again I'm basically agreeing with you but your readings skills are so poor you can't understand that.
You seem to want to turn everything into an insult towards you even when it's not which makes overly defensive guys like you pretty difficult to talk to.

As for being a troll .... hahahaha! the only one coming across as a troll is you. I'm already well known here as one of the busiest musicians around this site so I'm not too worried.

 

[Lukesteele]

I did ask you .... you said that was insulting to you.

By prefixing your question with something like " most 2.1 systems are crap", that said it all really. Your mind was made up so why bother? As far as lo-res streaming being an issue when listening to Halleys Comet, what utter BS!! I don't know what folk are using to listen to their web streams but all I can say is if you're having trouble hearing our song CLEARLY at this site, you seriously need to either get your ears checked or upgrade your pc sound system or both. Just in case anyone missed it : SoundClick artist: Drops Of Light - Current Members :Lu Ruello -Vocals,keyboards,guitar,drums, Vince Ruello - Bass, guitar,vocals, Jerry
Enjoy!!

 

[Lukesteele]

What I want to know is are you in fact Luke, if you are not did you steal his name or is your name Luke steel as well. If you are not Luke does he know you are using his name? Do you want me to tell him.

Alan.

I have been using the nic Lukesteele since 1998. Well before Luke Steele of Empire of the Sun was even known. Tell him what you like and say hi ok?

 

[Bobbsy]

I did ask you .... you said that was insulting to you.

By prefixing your question with something like " most 2.1 systems are crap", that said it all really. Your mind was made up so why bother? As far as lo-res streaming being an issue when listening to Halleys Comet, what utter BS!! I don't know what folk are using to listen to their web streams but all I can say is if you're having trouble hearing our song CLEARLY at this site, you seriously need to either get your ears checked or upgrade your pc sound system or both. Just in case anyone missed it : SoundClick artist: Drops Of Light - Current Members :Lu Ruello -Vocals,keyboards,guitar,drums, Vince Ruello - Bass, guitar,vocals, Jerry
Enjoy!!

Now you're entering the realms of the ridiculous and probably just trolling to get people to listen to your track. Offending people and arguing with them might not be the best sales tactic in the world but, hey, fight for your right.

Of course we can hear it clearly. So clearly that all the compression artefacts caused by the streaming stand out and make it impossible to form an opinion of your original digital transfer. Can't you hear the errors? If not, it speaks volumes for YOUR monitoring, not ours.

And, as has been mentioned, we can also hear all the clicks and groove noise from your vinyl copy. Too bad you didn't fix these. You can do wonders with disk restoration. Post 11 on THIS thread at another forum will give you some pointers from an award winning specialist at disk restoration.

Finally, you mention upgrading our "PC sound systems". Except for the PC itself, I didn't us any form of PC sound system to listen to your streaming. My listening was done via an ADAT link from my PC (Firewire to Profire Lightbridge) into a professional grade 48 channel mixer (Yamaha DM1000) and from there to pro grade floor standing monitors (Rogers Studio 1). What are you listening on?

 

[Lt. Bob]

By prefixing your question with something like " most 2.1 systems are crap", that said it all really. Your mind was made up so why bother? As far as lo-res streaming being an issue when listening to Halleys Comet, what utter BS!! I don't know what folk are using to listen to their web streams but all I can say is if you're having trouble hearing our song CLEARLY at this site, you seriously need to either get your ears checked or upgrade your pc sound system or both. Just in case anyone missed it : SoundClick artist: Drops Of Light - Current Members :Lu Ruello -Vocals,keyboards,guitar,drums, Vince Ruello - Bass, guitar,vocals, Jerry
Enjoy!!

once again, I wasn't talking about the fidelity of your album, I was talking about the fidelity of digital streaming ..... isn't that what this thread is about? Analog vs. Digital? Oh wait ...... it's obvious the thread wasn't about that at all ...... it's just to generate clicks on your album and you haven't actually talked about the thread's subject matter at all ........... you're pretty dumb aren't ya'?

You're just a troll looking for clicks on your album.
I did listen ..... it's mediocre.

As for the rest ..... you pretty much come across as an idiot.



























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[Lukesteele]

I don't know what you're smoking fool but compression caused by streaming is a fact of life anywhere on the net so that argument falls flat. As far as the streaming quality of soundclick goes, it has a LOFI and HIFI playback option, try it HIFI sometime!! You didn't playback the lofi in error did you numbnuts?? This thread was hijacked by dickheads who shoot first then ask questions later and you're included. I don't give a hoot if you click on my songs or not. Onwards!

 

[Lukesteele]

Now you're entering the realms of the ridiculous and probably just trolling to get people to listen to your track. Offending people and arguing with them might not be the best sales tactic in the world but, hey, fight for your right.

Of course we can hear it clearly. So clearly that all the compression artefacts caused by the streaming stand out and make it impossible to form an opinion of your original digital transfer. Can't you hear the errors? If not, it speaks volumes for YOUR monitoring, not ours.

And, as has been mentioned, we can also hear all the clicks and groove noise from your vinyl copy. Too bad you didn't fix these. You can do wonders with disk restoration. Post 11 on THIS thread at another forum will give you some pointers from an award winning specialist at disk restoration.

Finally, you mention upgrading our "PC sound systems". Except for the PC itself, I didn't us any form of PC sound system to listen to your streaming. My listening was done via an ADAT link from my PC (Firewire to Profire Lightbridge) into a professional grade 48 channel mixer (Yamaha DM1000) and from there to pro grade floor standing monitors (Rogers Studio 1). What are you listening on?

Maybe you can hear the clicks on your "super-hifi" system, but I'm confident 99% wont. As for the clicks you can hear, you may like to specify at which time point/s in the song you hear them?

 

[Bobbsy]

Streaming quality on the net is indeed a fact of life. It also makes any attempt to judge quality based on what you hear there totally pointless. The only valid A/B comparison would be your vinyl direct vs. your original vinyl. As soon a MP3 compression is involved, your recording is going to sound inferior no matter how good (or bad) the original transfer is.

The only thread hijacking here was you trying to sell your crap music.

 

[Chili]

it has a LOFI and HIFI playback option, try it HIFI sometime!!

Soundclick HiFi streams at 128kbps. That's not good enough to listen to anything with a critical ear.

This thread is nose-diving fast and will soon be closed if you guys don't calm down.
Now go wash your hands, children, dinner is almost ready.

 

[rayc]

Luke,
the 1st three seconds are almost all crackle - after that the crackle is covered by the music but it & a few pops as well as clicks appear - then there are the compression artifacts and finally the run out also has crackle.
I'm listening using Sheneisser HS 515s.
I do a lot of vinyl restoration and I do it with Waverepair.
I would have cleaned up the noise & crackle before asking for a listen let alone money.
You really don't handle constructive commentary very well.
Try posting a track in the MP3 Mixing Clinic if you find the banter here too robust. Over there they'll kill you with candid criticism albeit well meaning candid crits.

 

[Lt. Bob]

Soundclick HiFi streams at 128kbps. That's not good enough to listen to anything with a critical ear.

This thread is nose-diving fast and will soon be closed if you guys don't calm down.
Now go wash your hands, children, dinner is almost ready.

I'm calm ...... but when someone jumps to insulting as Luke did at the very beginning when ALL the responses were polite and just commenting on legitimate issues then I'm gonna respond in kind.
These guys come in here and if they get ANYthing other than effusive praise they start insulting people.
It's not right and they shouldn't get away with it.

 

[richarddutch]

A well made vinyl sounds from 30 years ago, sounds much fuller and richer then the cd-version and offcourse mp3........ when will it ever leave
the stage......after 20 years..., that's why i don't like downloading a song for 1 /2 euro, you can better bye a whole cd..... Often 320kbps sounds
crappy also....-->digitally remastered uhuh.....

 

[drtechno]

vinyl rocks. its the supirior analog media. I wish there was a nice way of direct to vinyl now these days.

 

[Bobbsy]

Vinyl is revisionist rubbish. For REAL quality you need a wax cylinder--nothing at all between performer and recording to degrade the quality.

 

[Chili]

Vinyl is revisionist rubbish. For REAL quality you need a wax cylinder--nothing at all between performer and recording to degrade the quality.

...and don't forget the Victrola dog next to the megaphone.

 

[drtechno]

lol you mean Nipper the dog.