Will i turn down the volume??

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Auralsects said:
Scientifically the only change the ear hears is 3db.... So that mystery knob move works everytime..
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Are you saying that if you turn down say a guitar track in a mix -3bd, you don't notice that it has been turned down?

Or is it only if you are a scientist you don't notice?

Alan.
 
Auralsects said:
Scientifically the only change the ear hears is 3db.... So that mystery knob move works everytime..
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are you a bot? You sure seem to post a lot of non-sequiturs.

Anyway ..... I think 1 db is sometimes defined as the smallest volume change you can hear and, as Massive said, those with trained ears can hear much smaller changes in volume. 3db is a lot and your statement makes no sense.
 
Either a bot or a bozo. Either way, his posts are all senseless babble.
 
Massive Master said:
I -- uh... I regularly make .25 and .5dB EQ adjustments, volume adjustments, gain reductions of 1dB or less and I can hear them just fine. 3dB is a relatively huge amount.

Did you mean three tenths of a dB...?
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Nope, I meant what I said, smarter people than me have studied this effect. The average person can only hear a 3db adjustment. Of course we are trained to try to listen critically, but 99% of the world does not.
 
Auralsects said:
Read the book is all I can say... Elementary Acoustics....
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You might be mixing up db spl with db vu, dbv, or dbu. A 1db fader move does not translate into a 1db spl change in volume. It's a different scale measuring different things.

Even though 3db spl isn't huge, it is still noticeable.
 
More importantly than reading a book, is to actually understand it. That's where idiots fail.

Textbook cowboys. You've got them in every field, and they're always a joke. People "educated" beyond their intelligence. :rolleyes:
 
Lt. Bob said:
are you a bot? You sure seem to post a lot of non-sequiturs.

Anyway ..... I think 1 db is sometimes defined as the smallest volume change you can hear and, as Massive said, those with trained ears can hear much smaller changes in volume. 3db is a lot and your statement makes no sense.
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The db scale is a logarithmic measure so to define a change of three decibel with out reference to a start value is meaningless anyway.
 
Auralsects said:
Read the book is all I can say... Elementary Acoustics....
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Auralsects said:
Nope, I meant what I said, smarter people than me have studied this effect. The average person can only hear a 3db adjustment. Of course we are trained to try to listen critically, but 99% of the world does not.
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OK I'm game. Give me an acoustics lesson. You pick the topic...:thumbs up:
 
Lol, marinating.... you guys think you are super human. Thats the joke.
 
RAMI said:
More importantly than reading a book, is to actually understand it. That's where idiots fail.

Textbook cowboys. You've got them in every field, and they're always a joke. People "educated" beyond their intelligence. :rolleyes:
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Great post, Rami.

I've worked with several educated, idiots.

Not for very long, though.:D
 
moresound said:
Is this KC just messing around? And does the user name come out to meaning oralsex?
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I gave him positive rep for the clever name... he's still red though... must be really pissing people off somewhere. I haven't been following all that closely.
 
Auralsects said:
Scientifically the only change the ear hears is 3db.... So that mystery knob move works everytime..
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Auralsects said:
The average person can only hear a 3db adjustment. Of course we are trained to try to listen critically, but 99% of the world does not.
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Those are two different statements.

The first is designed to make you appear more knowledgeable than us;
The second is the truth, possibly.
 
Steenamaroo said:
Those are two different statements.

The first is designed to make you appear more knowledgeable than us;
The second is the truth, possibly.
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Yup. 2 statements that contradict each other. One is a "scientific fact" (hahaha), and the other one is presented as a "well, most people can't hear the difference....".

Either way, it's a bullshit statement. A 3db change on an instrument would be heard by anyone.

Further proof that someone just quoted (or mis-quoted) something they read, and thought it would make them sound not stupid, which didn't work.
 
It is likely that at lower amplitudes you could perceive a change of 3 db, at higher amplitude less so. Age as well as a persons physical condition and the condition of the ear mechanics also play a role as does the harmonic content of the soundwave. The ambient air pressure and density also contribute. There are other defining elements.

Fact(s)..
 
The very nature of the question indicates that you should not be the person mastering this mix. Your question is confusing those trying to answer you. Do some mixes and see what the overall volume looks like. (you can always discard these later). Now Pull back the master to make the final mix stay below the "0". No peaks, nothing over 0 or green. Now look for one of the multi-band compressor presets that works for you. Now burn the mix with that mastering preset. Take it around and try it on lots of different systems and adjust it so it sounds good on all systems (car, home, audiophile, store, etc.)

Some of the answers are spot on, others are addressing the confusion in your question. Good Luck,
Rod Norman

paokz said:
I am mixing a song right now..And i just want to turn down all volumes so go to the mastering process..Will i turn down all volumes faders..I mean reverb group..Or only the volumes to the tracks with the vocal and instrummental..?Thanks
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Thank you very much all of you!..I reduce the volumes in all channels after i linked them up and then i get my mix into samplitute 11.5..So i did mastering process :)
 
I don't understand that last sentence....
 
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