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Doctor Varney
Cave dwelling Luddite
Hahaha! True! I nearly got lynched by the angry mob for saying exactly this, about a month ago.
Why record with a computer when there are all-in-one portastudios?
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Hahaha! True! I nearly got lynched by the angry mob for saying exactly this, about a month ago.
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sleepyhollos
New member
Ain't that the truth... the VS880 was the last stand alone recorder I had after a few tape based 4 and 8 tracks and the day I saw Cubase record audio was the day I mentally disengaged from the old Roland and decided to go to a computer based system. The edit options are just too numerous in comparison, and the choice of plug ins... need I say more.
Those stand alone units have their place but for my purpose a computer based system is the only real choice.
CoolCat
Well-known member
hahaa so true, of course it will happen.
Ive lost a lot on pcs, and once the hd crashed while the usb backup had just fallen and crashed, losing both.
having a old CD-R of the songs is cool.
but even tapes lost magnetic particles and could rot away, like old films....I suppose paper brun .., if not kept in care, or be stolen.
paper, rocks, scissors?
CoolCat
Well-known member
Hahaha! True! I nearly got lynched by the angry mob for saying exactly this, about a month ago.
Theres a beauty in simplicity, a mic, cable , mixing board...analog, touch and feel, and be creative with sliders and away from the pc. the Alesis ADAT had the vcr tape issues and limited tracking, without buying more units,...come to think of it, that had its own arsenal of issues..never mind
The power of that pc is too great though, you see Chili post? the tiny menu screen and having to go through all that too often lead me to the pc large editing screen.
whats next that leaves the pc behind... or is that another thread?
Ive had to start rebooting my pc once a day to make the interface audio work with my new pc. All of a sudden it just seems to forget where the drivers are or I suspect a bunch of conflicting "audio" softwares moving the furniture around and overriding each other while Im at Starbucks.
CoolCat
Well-known member
until the solar flare hits the satellites... wiping them all useless...
then those with Reel to Reels will take over earth....... or at least the Guitar Center Pro audio section.
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Doctor Varney
Cave dwelling Luddite
Exactly the problem I had... yet these issues are all too often passed off as 'user errors' by PC enthusiasts, which is, of course, bollocks.
The incessant and problematic nature of the PC is what caused me to reduce my reliance on the Windows platform, yet not to abandon it completely. Note, the emphasis on 'reliance' which has proven dangerous. An infinitely happier and more creative experience directly followed at the very moment of the switch and I now find I can get the bulk of my work done, with a touch of editing on the computer. By thinking 'out of the box' and solving audible problems in a more direct manner, I'm able to get better, sharper and quicker results using just the field recorder, a cheap mic and an old Behringer mixer. A stack of old junk most people wouldn't look twice at today, but it's what you do with it that counts. And gone, too, are the eye strain, the neck pains, the RSI, the bad moods and the sleepless nights. Excessive computer use is actually quite bad for you. Fine in moderation, for certain tasks that would normally not be possible. One has to make friends with technology.
JimmyS1969
MOODerator
First, dood, please quit feeding into the form of 'PC is the cause of all problems'. I am really starting to get annoyed by your judgment about PC's. People read your comments as truth, and they are far from it. You need to let go of your issues, and realize that you just had a bad experience, with the one you started with.
Second, if you start off with the goal of having a flawless PC, without spending a few bucks to get there, you are asking for problems. Comparing a cheap (or really poor-off the shelf) PC, to one that is put together with compatible parts, and is setup for one particular task, is like asking a Fiero, to run like a Ferrari.
"The incessant and problematic nature of the PC"? ......
That is your poor experience, brought on by your need to mess with the software/OS, before taking the time to understand that the cheap stuff you were trying to use-to do everything, did not have the capability to do so.
It is not the platform that has caused you issues. It is the misunderstanding, that any cheap setup of a MS based PC, will do what you want it to. And obviously your setup, did not work out for you. That only means that you selected the wrong starting point, or you messed with things that should not have been messed with. Not that a PC setup is by nature, 'problematic'. This is a completely belligerent, and untrue statement.
Yes, yours sucks. Mine does not. Don't even ask me to state how many there are that don't have issues with PC.
Please, do not make blanket statements about things that you have not the knowledge to make judgement upon. It makes your credibility, and that of typically great advice of this forum, look skewed.
This is your particular opinion, and experience. Not majority outcome by any means.
heatmiser
mr. green christmas
Personally, I have no end of troubles with computers, but I readily admit that I know little about them and don't try too hard to learn.
It seems to me that it's at least a little more straight-forward with a standalone, at least to someone like me who is impatient with tech and just wants to get something done.
I wanted to reiterate that you are not necessarily confined to a small lcd screen with a standalone, not even with the roland vs series. The later 2400+ models allowed for monitor hookup, so that in itself, doesn't have to be a deciding factor:
It seems to me that it's at least a little more straight-forward with a standalone, at least to someone like me who is impatient with tech and just wants to get something done.
I wanted to reiterate that you are not necessarily confined to a small lcd screen with a standalone, not even with the roland vs series. The later 2400+ models allowed for monitor hookup, so that in itself, doesn't have to be a deciding factor:
Armistice
Son of Yoda
Nice proximity to the kitchen there heat...
Admittedly it's early days for me, but I went new, big, single purpose computer that does nothing but audio and video, and high quality interface (RME UCX) and two big screens. Not a problem in the world so far.
JimmyS1969
MOODerator
And that is a very cool setup Heat!
I started out with an Akai 4 track cassette recorder. I have nothing but love for simplicity. I actually miss it.
Over the years, I found that I wanted more control over everything, and well, I found the way to do that. Now, I have nothing but myself to blame, if something isn't working.
If only, there was a stand alone recorder, that was able to do everything!
I started out with an Akai 4 track cassette recorder. I have nothing but love for simplicity. I actually miss it.
Over the years, I found that I wanted more control over everything, and well, I found the way to do that. Now, I have nothing but myself to blame, if something isn't working.
If only, there was a stand alone recorder, that was able to do everything!
heatmiser
mr. green christmas
Nice proximity to the kitchen there heat...
Admittedly it's early days for me, but I went new, big, single purpose computer that does nothing but audio and video, and high quality interface (RME UCX) and two big screens. Not a problem in the world so far.
Ha! Yes, you have no idea how many tracks contain an atmospheric blend of frying eggs, boiling water bubbling and tea kettles whistling. It's pretty sad really.
And that is a very cool setup Heat!
I started out with an Akai 4 track cassette recorder. I have nothing but love for simplicity. I actually miss it.
Over the years, I found that I wanted more control over everything, and well, I found the way to do that. Now, I have nothing but myself to blame, if something isn't working.
If only, there was a stand alone recorder, that was able to do everything!
Yeah, I mean I have to acknowledge that, objectively, long term, for most people or whatever, PC is the way to go. The pros clearly seem to outweigh the cons.
I just think there is potentially some point in each homerecorder's evolution where a standalone is actually the best way to go for them at that point in time, and we don't necessarily know where someone posting here is at in that continuum.
JimmyS1969
MOODerator
I completely agree with you.
Sorry for my rant @ the DR. I just get frustrated seeing his posts come up as 'Google' truths, when they are personal situation opinions/issues.
I would love to have just one unit, do everything I wanted. I don't even care if it was $25,000. I would find a way to buy that. Problem is, we have to use what we have at this point...
Bristol Posse
Okey Dokey
I'm increasingly of the opinion of that my decision to simplify and minimize my computer/DAW's role in music has led to far more music stuff in my life
I have an absolutely kick ass 8 core computer that I custom built for audio and it's behaved pretty much flawlessly. However these days it's just an editing and playback machine, the cores barely get warm these days.
I've gotten rid of all but 3 VSTs and now mix via a 24 channel allen & heath board, 2 Speck Eqs, An Art pro VLA and two Chameleon labs compressors.
Since I stopped messing around with the computer for music so much, I record more music, I've played out live more frequently and I've been playing songs in genres I never even looked at before. I just seem to have more creative time and energy on my hands
the huge power and seeming never ending choice and options offered in a computer is a blessing and a curse. I'm finding fewer options, less power and having to make do with what I have is quite a liberating experience. Computers seem to excel at sucking time and creativity out of the day if you're not careful
If I were starting out again I'd probably buy an all in one solution and leave the computer for email an facebook duties and be free to get on with making music without worrying about updates and upgrades, which EQ to use, which is the best compressor, What DAW should I use, this VST or that VST, when will they go 64 bit, why did that last update suddenly make everything stop working and any other of the endless questions that crop up on this forum.
Just one experience of course and YMMV
I have an absolutely kick ass 8 core computer that I custom built for audio and it's behaved pretty much flawlessly. However these days it's just an editing and playback machine, the cores barely get warm these days.
I've gotten rid of all but 3 VSTs and now mix via a 24 channel allen & heath board, 2 Speck Eqs, An Art pro VLA and two Chameleon labs compressors.
Since I stopped messing around with the computer for music so much, I record more music, I've played out live more frequently and I've been playing songs in genres I never even looked at before. I just seem to have more creative time and energy on my hands
the huge power and seeming never ending choice and options offered in a computer is a blessing and a curse. I'm finding fewer options, less power and having to make do with what I have is quite a liberating experience. Computers seem to excel at sucking time and creativity out of the day if you're not careful
If I were starting out again I'd probably buy an all in one solution and leave the computer for email an facebook duties and be free to get on with making music without worrying about updates and upgrades, which EQ to use, which is the best compressor, What DAW should I use, this VST or that VST, when will they go 64 bit, why did that last update suddenly make everything stop working and any other of the endless questions that crop up on this forum.
Just one experience of course and YMMV
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JimmyS1969
MOODerator
Bobbsy
Boring Old Git
Surely that's a problem of self control rather than a fault with computers though.
Besides the effects that came with my DAW, I have precisely two additional effects, both extra reverbs.
Just because a computer allows you to do something, it doesn't mean you have to use them.
The NRA* says "Computers don't use effects, computer users do".
*National Recording Association
Besides the effects that came with my DAW, I have precisely two additional effects, both extra reverbs.
Just because a computer allows you to do something, it doesn't mean you have to use them.
The NRA* says "Computers don't use effects, computer users do".
*National Recording Association
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RAMI
Guest
What took you so long?
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Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
^^^^^^^ this to the tenth power ^^^^^
There are LOTS of ways to record and pursue the music.
All of them work and it is definitely true that ultimately it's what you do with it that matters.
But the fact that it works best for you is not the same as 'it IS best' ..... it's just best for you.
And Doc ...... it was just a year or two ago that you came on this site knowing absolutely nothing ..... I remember very well your early posts asking about the very most basic things.
So you haven't suddenly become an expert and should not be making statements about things that you don't understand in such a definitive way. You might scare off newbies or even more experienced guys that are considering going 'puter with your condemnation of PC's because they might not understand that you don't know what you're talking about.
Make your music and use the tech that appeals to you .... where is some of that music BTW since it IS what you do with this stuff that matters?
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
I imagine you've already plotzed about this unit but I missed it so what the hell is that thing to the left?
Is that a cassette based recorder that does a zillion channels?
It looks awesome!!
Bristol Posse
Okey Dokey
Not any more
true, now I only allow my computer to record and playback
From what I see I am not alone in the phenomenon of time suckage from computers. there are literally millions of threads on the various recording fora about which EQ is best, how to pick which of the 143 VST compressors for a female vocal, spectral analysis rather than just listening, and so on and so on into a never ending spiral of analysis paralysis
I've eliminated all those problems in one fell swoop by taking the DAW out of the equation and just using what I have in front of me. If I didn't have my set up already and was looking at starting out, knowing what I know now I'd probably get some kind of 24 -32 track standalone and just get on with making music without the constant distractions and going off at a tangent that seems to go hand in hand with a computer based system
this is of course just my experience and opinion so YMMV
Bobbsy
Boring Old Git
I personally have the musical talent of a slug so, unless I play with my DAW I don't have any real input to the mix to have fun with!
I'd need more outboard than SWMBO would permit to work otherwise!
That's the great thing about this game...if you put 1000 enthusiasts in a room you get a thousand different ways of doing things, all valid. Well, maybe 999 if a DJ/rapper sneaks in!
I'd need more outboard than SWMBO would permit to work otherwise!
That's the great thing about this game...if you put 1000 enthusiasts in a room you get a thousand different ways of doing things, all valid. Well, maybe 999 if a DJ/rapper sneaks in!
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