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RAMI
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You misunderstood. I'm talking about the guest book on my site.
Why record with a computer when there are all-in-one portastudios?
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Bobbsy
Boring Old Git
Ah, okay. I did misunderstand...I thought you were talking about the visitor messages on your profile here.
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Doctor Varney
Cave dwelling Luddite
You'd better believe it, RAMI, because if I had decided to take this private, I wouldn't be using those words and I'd be open and honest about it. I have nothing to hide but it so happens I don't believe it warrants giving you the pleasure or the time. There are only two possible conclusions to this: either you're mistaken or some kind of game you were playing has backfired on you. I'm not sure which but it doesn't matter, as the whole thing has descended into a tit-for-tat school yard scuffle, which I don't want to be a part of. I've told you it isn't worth it, yet you persist in trying to raise my ire. Well, if you want to carry on wasting your own time, that's up to you. You say I'm a 'decent sort' so I might as well try and live up to it, eh? Perhaps we could both call it quits in that case?
As for the rest of you, I'm very sorry if I've offended your sensibilities by stating my personal preferences and workarounds. I'm aware that some people can get rather attached to their tools and methods and don't like to face anything negative said about their 'toys'.
And before anyone gets excited about my choice of words, it's because I believe recording can still be fun to whatever extent... Okay?
This 'incompetent' now has two computers working for him by a mixture of trial and error, a couple of suggestions from the more helpful and cooler-headed members of this forum and outside advice. One on office & internet duty and graphics, the other reserved only for sound sequencing and editing.
The fact that I've reduced my total reliance on the PC is the thing which seems to have got some people over excited. Let me repeat it, for those who didn't catch it the first time around:
I have reduced my RELIANCE on the computer and put in place a simple, reliable and portable unit to augment the system as a whole. I have not abandoned the computer completely. I've simply put it into my workflow, where I believe it belongs FOR MY particular way of working. No more, no less. They work... The point is, it took a lot of fiddling about to get there, when I had hoped for an easier time of it.
Have you got that? Good.
Yep! I'm so closed minded about PCs, that I actually have four of them pulling together in various aspects of my work... But let me ask you - does it mean I have to like them?
I'm so closed minded and incompetent that I've learned not to tax their resources as I have in the past and have vowed to make better efforts to maintain them in future.
Unfortunately, if I reply individually to each one who has gone off the deep end and try to address the assumptions and ad hominem attacks, (and yes, Lt. Bob, I do class asking me if I'm 12 as an insult) LOL! We could be here all day, playing ping pong and, believe it or not, I do have a life outside this forum and work to get on with. I've already spent enough time typing this. Damn!
I'd just like to thank you all for your input, helpful or not. I'm sure you believe you're doing and saying the 'right things' and who am I to stand in the way of that?
Have fun...
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RAMI
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Gee....I wonder how long that diatribe would have been if you DID care enough. to respond. 
Steenamaroo
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Nevermind.
I'm out.
I'm out.
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Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
to me what's funny is how he continues to not see what gets people excited.
He doesn't just say he's cut down HIS reliance on 'puters.
He DECLARES that 'puters are a problem and his way is better and that people who tell him that 'puters aren't really a problem are wrong and only saying that to disrespect him.
hahahahahaha!
That's not what happened at all and it's just freakin' hilarious to me that he can't see that HE started the whole dust-up by being unwilling to give anyone else credit for knowing anything.
He actually implies that folks that tell him, correctly, that 'puters aren't usually very problematic are lying just to cast doubt on his methods.
oh well .......... as I've said ....... seems like a decent enough guy even if he has fallen into the "I've been recording two years and I know it all" trap.
He doesn't just say he's cut down HIS reliance on 'puters.
He DECLARES that 'puters are a problem and his way is better and that people who tell him that 'puters aren't really a problem are wrong and only saying that to disrespect him.
hahahahahaha!
That's not what happened at all and it's just freakin' hilarious to me that he can't see that HE started the whole dust-up by being unwilling to give anyone else credit for knowing anything.
He actually implies that folks that tell him, correctly, that 'puters aren't usually very problematic are lying just to cast doubt on his methods.
oh well .......... as I've said ....... seems like a decent enough guy even if he has fallen into the "I've been recording two years and I know it all" trap.
Mr Clean
AKA Teddy Wong
Much ado about nothing.....in my opinion.
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thesoundtek
New member
computers vs stand-alone studios
I bought a Zoom 16 as my first jump into home recording because of the price and the all in one nature of it. After recording an 8 track project on it and trying to mix it down I soon realized how much easier it was to load it on to my computer and do my editing there. Everything that has been posted about the plugins, tracks etc is true but the bottom line....ease of use and more efficient use of my time is what sold me on computer recording...and for the money or not it's really hard to beat Reaper as an editing program. I've used PT, Samplitude, Cubase, and most of the free ones and I'd give Reaper 5 stars for ease of use and productivity.
I bought a Zoom 16 as my first jump into home recording because of the price and the all in one nature of it. After recording an 8 track project on it and trying to mix it down I soon realized how much easier it was to load it on to my computer and do my editing there. Everything that has been posted about the plugins, tracks etc is true but the bottom line....ease of use and more efficient use of my time is what sold me on computer recording...and for the money or not it's really hard to beat Reaper as an editing program. I've used PT, Samplitude, Cubase, and most of the free ones and I'd give Reaper 5 stars for ease of use and productivity.
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RAMI
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Christ! Grimtraveller's typing in his sleep again. 
TASCAM MAN
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grimtraveller
If only for a moment.....
I'm intrigued that you're baffled {or at least you were back in April}.
I don't know where you live or if you still have musical instrument stores {or more significantly, used/second hand ones} but at least here in old Blighty, you very rarely see standalones in the second shops anymore and you never see them in the music shops. But you'll see software for DAWs in abundance. Certain things like interfaces even give away cut down versions of Cubase, PT or whatever, for free. That should tell you something.
When I was in my teens it was rare to find a household without a telly. By my early 20s it was hard to find one without a colour telly. By the time I hit nearly 30, it was rare to find one without a video recorder. And nowadays, it's rare to find one without a computer of some kind. Far more has gone into the development of recording on computer in the last 10 years than on standalones. I'd say that the furtherance of the standalone recorder as we knew it has moreorless ground to a halt.
So the move towards computer recording becoming the dominant sphere of recording is in step with the mindset of the majority of those that have come into recording recently, not unlike the way that tablets and their ilk are in step with the mindset of those for whom the mobile phone is more a body part than an accessory.
That's just the way the stomach pumps.
grimtraveller
If only for a moment.....
Multitrack is where it's at !
Some people love editing tape with block and razor and care not a jot that a piece of editing that you could do in 10 minutes on a DAW would take several hours. Lots of songs that we know and love came about through editing in the 60s and 70s and you can't tell. And I can't tell with digital either.
Are you having fun ? Do you enjoy your hobby ? Good !
If I was starting out today, I'm not at all certain I'd go the computer route. I'm not certain what I'd start with. I think that some things appeal to certain people at certain points in time. I started out with a cassette portastudio in 1992, not because that's all there was, but because I was used to recording on cassette over the previous 15 years so it was just logical to me. I didn't even think about it. 4 track cassettes existed, hey presto, got one.
I got over the almost immediate limitations of 4 track by moving up to 8 track within a few months, but I remained with 8 tracks for the next 17 years. I nearly always felt the limitations of 8 track so when I started reading about what digital recorders could do, I was intrigued and it became a choice between computers or a standalone. I went for the latter option primarilly because it was closer to a cassette portastudio. Actually, it was like a portastudio without tape, with the added bonus of in built effects {though that wasn't really important} and that which I thought was a real bang on the head ¬> editing !
And that's where this
Digital really is my razor blade.
Sound quality isn't an issue for me because all the mediums offer good sound quality if you know your tools. I think all those that have remained within analog are right to do so. Those that have moved to computers have been right. Those like Pete the Heat, the absent OP and myself who stand alone {} are right. We all have our reasons. It's no crime to dislike the workflow of one medium or to have moved to another because the one you were with was too limiting or to be with the one you started with. That's just being human. The fact that reasons for my present choice involves stating things about someone else's chosen medium that may seem dismissive says nothing about that person, but about me. It was tempting to feel "s o m e h o w" when Armistice and RAMI moved to computers and were raving about them because I dig much of their music and it was encouraging to know that great stuff could be made on standalones and it could be taken as a comment on standalones that a couple of it's prime exponents moved away from them. But the reality is that it was a comment on them ! And why not ? For them, moving to computers is a progression. Same way moving to digital was a progression for me. When I say I'd never go analog again, that's not because I dislike analog. Quite the opposite actually. As I said, all the mediums are great.
Except those damed wax cylinders. Always hated them.....
Or find your level with the tools. I'm an unashamed standalone user. It's what I happen to have chosen and am comfortable with. I think reel to reels, cassette portastudios, standalone DAWs, hybrids and computer based set ups are all flawed. But the flaws are irrelevant to me. I'm more interested in whether or not each set up works. And they do. I have heard superb recordings on every set up and shitty ones too.
Some people love editing tape with block and razor and care not a jot that a piece of editing that you could do in 10 minutes on a DAW would take several hours. Lots of songs that we know and love came about through editing in the 60s and 70s and you can't tell. And I can't tell with digital either.
Are you having fun ? Do you enjoy your hobby ? Good !
If I was starting out today, I'm not at all certain I'd go the computer route. I'm not certain what I'd start with. I think that some things appeal to certain people at certain points in time. I started out with a cassette portastudio in 1992, not because that's all there was, but because I was used to recording on cassette over the previous 15 years so it was just logical to me. I didn't even think about it. 4 track cassettes existed, hey presto, got one.
I got over the almost immediate limitations of 4 track by moving up to 8 track within a few months, but I remained with 8 tracks for the next 17 years. I nearly always felt the limitations of 8 track so when I started reading about what digital recorders could do, I was intrigued and it became a choice between computers or a standalone. I went for the latter option primarilly because it was closer to a cassette portastudio. Actually, it was like a portastudio without tape, with the added bonus of in built effects {though that wasn't really important} and that which I thought was a real bang on the head ¬> editing !
And that's where this
really applies. I don't really know what sort of editing is in the computer DAWs, but the editing 'suite' within my Akai DPS12i, though basic, is what I need. As long as I can cut and paste, move things around, delete, undo {hallelu for undo !}, copy, I'm happy. The only thing I'd add is the ability to record backwards but I bought a Zoom MRS8 which has that facility so it's easy for me to do that. I know my limits and so my little 12 track with it's additional 238 virtual tracks enables me to make the music I want. Editing isn't compulsory. But I like having the option.
Digital really is my razor blade.
Sound quality isn't an issue for me because all the mediums offer good sound quality if you know your tools. I think all those that have remained within analog are right to do so. Those that have moved to computers have been right. Those like Pete the Heat, the absent OP and myself who stand alone {
} are right. We all have our reasons. It's no crime to dislike the workflow of one medium or to have moved to another because the one you were with was too limiting or to be with the one you started with. That's just being human. The fact that reasons for my present choice involves stating things about someone else's chosen medium that may seem dismissive says nothing about that person, but about me. It was tempting to feel "s o m e h o w" when Armistice and RAMI moved to computers and were raving about them because I dig much of their music and it was encouraging to know that great stuff could be made on standalones and it could be taken as a comment on standalones that a couple of it's prime exponents moved away from them. But the reality is that it was a comment on them ! And why not ? For them, moving to computers is a progression. Same way moving to digital was a progression for me. When I say I'd never go analog again, that's not because I dislike analog. Quite the opposite actually. As I said, all the mediums are great.Except those damed wax cylinders. Always hated them.....
TASCAM MAN
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TASCAM MAN
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RIGHT ON RIGHT ON RIGHT ON BROTHER DOCTOR !!!You'd better believe it, RAMI, because if I had decided to take this private, I wouldn't be using those words and I'd be open and honest about it. I have nothing to hide but it so happens I don't believe it warrants giving you the pleasure or the time. There are only two possible conclusions to this: either you're mistaken or some kind of game you were playing has backfired on you. I'm not sure which but it doesn't matter, as the whole thing has descended into a tit-for-tat school yard scuffle, which I don't want to be a part of. I've told you it isn't worth it, yet you persist in trying to raise my ire. Well, if you want to carry on wasting your own time, that's up to you. You say I'm a 'decent sort' so I might as well try and live up to it, eh? Perhaps we could both call it quits in that case?
As for the rest of you, I'm very sorry if I've offended your sensibilities by stating my personal preferences and workarounds. I'm aware that some people can get rather attached to their tools and methods and don't like to face anything negative said about their 'toys'.
And before anyone gets excited about my choice of words, it's because I believe recording can still be fun to whatever extent... Okay?
This 'incompetent' now has two computers working for him by a mixture of trial and error, a couple of suggestions from the more helpful and cooler-headed members of this forum and outside advice. One on office & internet duty and graphics, the other reserved only for sound sequencing and editing.
The fact that I've reduced my total reliance on the PC is the thing which seems to have got some people over excited. Let me repeat it, for those who didn't catch it the first time around:
I have reduced my RELIANCE on the computer and put in place a simple, reliable and portable unit to augment the system as a whole. I have not abandoned the computer completely. I've simply put it into my workflow, where I believe it belongs FOR MY particular way of working. No more, no less. They work... The point is, it took a lot of fiddling about to get there, when I had hoped for an easier time of it.
Have you got that? Good.
Yep! I'm so closed minded about PCs, that I actually have four of them pulling together in various aspects of my work... But let me ask you - does it mean I have to like them?
I'm so closed minded and incompetent that I've learned not to tax their resources as I have in the past and have vowed to make better efforts to maintain them in future.
Unfortunately, if I reply individually to each one who has gone off the deep end and try to address the assumptions and ad hominem attacks, (and yes, Lt. Bob, I do class asking me if I'm 12 as an insult) LOL! We could be here all day, playing ping pong and, believe it or not, I do have a life outside this forum and work to get on with. I've already spent enough time typing this. Damn!
I'd just like to thank you all for your input, helpful or not. I'm sure you believe you're doing and saying the 'right things' and who am I to stand in the way of that?
Have fun...
miroslav
Cosmic Cowboy
Is this sitcom still on the air....?
"I hate computers...because they hate me."
"I hate computers...because they hate me."
witzendoz
Senior Member
People use computers to record as a punishment for their sins.
Just to refresh my early answer to the question.
Alan.
JimmyS1969
MOODerator
Is this sitcom still on the air....?
"I hate computers...because they hate me."
"ever notice?" I believe that was Seinfeld....
Ethan Winer
Acoustics Expert
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Doctor Varney
Cave dwelling Luddite
Gee....I wonder how long that diatribe would have been if you DID care enough. to respond.
Something tells me it wouldn't make any difference, whether I wrote one or a hundred lines, RAMI... you only ever seem to come out of the woodwork when there is an opportunity to make trouble and that's all we've come to expect from you. What a shame...
Just out of curiosity, do we get to see this 'correspondence' I allegedly posted to your guestbook or not?
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RAMI
Guest
HAHAHA! WOW! You're a pathetic waste of oxygen and flesh, aren't you?
What, are you feeling sorry for yourself and need attention, you little baby? I've totally forgotten about this thread. Why do you feel a need a to revive it? So, you can whine and cry and get some attention? You're pathetic, Dr. I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt, but it's clear that you're a self-loathing, miserable baby.
I already said I believe it wasn't you, and I also told people what the post said.
Get over yourself man....or buy a rope and do everyone a favor and just end it. You seem to barely have a reason to live other than to play the role of "victim". Pretty pathetic way to go through life.
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