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RAMI
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Thanx a lot Jimi. I'd love to do "Trampled". I'm sure it's a lot easier to sing than this one, too. Problem is, it really needs that clavinet for the main riff.
Elton123
New member
Love it.
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Greg_L
Banned
Thanx a lot guys. Didn't mean to ignore the last couple of posts, but I wanted to figure out and fix a few things first.
I'm almost embarrassed to admit this, but I did something really stupid. My eyes are bad and if I don't have reading glasses on, which I almost never do, I have to squint and get really close to the screen just to see the difference between an "i" and an "l", or an "m" and an "n". So, to make a long story short, I was rendering my mix in 2Bit, not 24bit.I could have sworn I was reading "24", but it was "2".
It was driving me crazy and I couldn't figure out why the rendered "24 bit" mix sounded like it had a blanket over it. I thought it was impossible so it must have been my imagination, but it wasn't. Nice to know my ears are just a little better than my eyes.
Anyway, I put up another mix, if anyone cares any more....I barely do.
Pretty funny that I said this in my first post:
Yeah right.
CUSTARD PIE
Lol. That's about ten trillion times better.
fritsthegirl
Taste of home
Thanx a lot, Ms. thegirl.
Hahaha, Ms! Thanks for the respect and the cheech and chong 'key'; Canadians are so polite and helpful. Still think this rendition kicks b*tt. Do call me Trish (the girl).
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ronhar
New member
Great song Rami! I never heard this song so not much to compare to till I heard the original. I think you nailed it for a cover. The small differences remind me of hearing the differences in some bands studio vs live recordings. Depending on the song, miles on the tour and variations due to the repetativeness, lots of the great bands couldn't cover themselves if they were required to. Thats the nature of performed music. Love your drumming and tight bass.
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Bulls Hit
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Bulls Hit, if you're still around to read this, I didn't mean to ignore you either. I was just really caught up in figuring out why this mix was driving me crazy, as well as trying to figure out what was wrong with my guitar. I see what you did with that. It's definitely bigger. Thanx for the help man, but the problem was in my stupidity and eye-sight.
Hey glad you got to the bottom of the problem. You've done a great job with the tune, best cover of Custard Pie I've ever heard. Kudos
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RAMI
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Thanx Elton.
Awesome, that's nice to hear. Whew...that was a wild ride.
Only until you get to know us.
Thanx Trish.
Thanx a lot Ronhar, much appreciated.
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RAMI
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heatmiser
mr. green christmas
This is really, very well executed Rami. I've listened a bunch of times but don't think I ever bothered to comment (sorry!).
I think I missed the 2bit version - didn't even know that was an option!
I used to know the original very well and don't think I've ever heard it covered before. Your version is flawlessly performed, but I think it does lack some of the roughness and raw energy of the original. I tend to agree with Bulls' early comment about it being tidy. I actually kind of like what his processing did to it (despite obvious problems related to applying FX to the stereo mix rather than individual tracks - noise, etc.). It made it bigger and rougher sounding which better suits my tastes, but I find you tend to gravitate more towards a tighter, neater more precise sounding mix.
Overall I think it sounds a lot like one of your original productions in all those aspects. It just happens to be a cover of a great old tune. I don't think I could pull off an even acceptable cover of any zep tunes. Great job on this.
I think I missed the 2bit version - didn't even know that was an option!
I used to know the original very well and don't think I've ever heard it covered before. Your version is flawlessly performed, but I think it does lack some of the roughness and raw energy of the original. I tend to agree with Bulls' early comment about it being tidy. I actually kind of like what his processing did to it (despite obvious problems related to applying FX to the stereo mix rather than individual tracks - noise, etc.). It made it bigger and rougher sounding which better suits my tastes, but I find you tend to gravitate more towards a tighter, neater more precise sounding mix.
Overall I think it sounds a lot like one of your original productions in all those aspects. It just happens to be a cover of a great old tune. I don't think I could pull off an even acceptable cover of any zep tunes. Great job on this.
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RAMI
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Thanx a lot Heat!
No need to apologise. I listen to a lot of stuff I don't comment on and it has nothing to do with whether I like it or not.
Neither did I. Apparently, the drop down menu in REAPER includes a "2bit" option. I need to wear my glasses next time I render something. I love what he did. The only thing was that it was applied to the whole mix, which he obviously had no other choice.
I really appreciate and agree with everything you said. Thanx man.
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RAMI
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Sorry about bumping this thread from page 3. I wasn't sure what to do, and I figured this was better than starting a new thread with the same tune.
I just bought a new amp testerday. I finally went with a Fender Super Champ X2. So far I love it, but I haven't had a chance to really play around and tweak a lot.
Just for the sake of getting something down with it, I re-recorded the rythm guitar parts in this tune. You'd probably obly need to listen to the first 10 seconds. I hope I didn't over-do the distortion. I was excited, I plugged in, found a sound I liked, cranked it and recorded.
Let me know if it's too scooped, distorted, dark, bright, whatever.
Thanx to Greg, Johny Deep, Heatmiser, and a few others for the suggestions on amps. You guys were a lot of help.
CUSTARD PIE
I just bought a new amp testerday. I finally went with a Fender Super Champ X2. So far I love it, but I haven't had a chance to really play around and tweak a lot.
Just for the sake of getting something down with it, I re-recorded the rythm guitar parts in this tune. You'd probably obly need to listen to the first 10 seconds. I hope I didn't over-do the distortion. I was excited, I plugged in, found a sound I liked, cranked it and recorded.
Let me know if it's too scooped, distorted, dark, bright, whatever.
Thanx to Greg, Johny Deep, Heatmiser, and a few others for the suggestions on amps. You guys were a lot of help.
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Greg_L
Banned
Congrats! I can only listen on cans right now, but that surely seems to be worlds better than what I remember. Might be a little bright, just a little. What's your amp settings, mic, and mic position?
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RAMI
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Thanx Greg.
I actually forgot to mention that I used 2 different settings on the left and right panned guitars.
On the e left, I used a "Fender Super Sonic" setting. I had to roll the gain down to 5 and still had a lot of drive.
On the right, I used a "Marshall 70's" setting. I had to put the gain up to 10 on that one.
Both guitars have the treble at about 5 and the bass at about 2. I find all the sounds on this amp sound good in the room when the bass is at about 5, but are way too bass-y when recorded that way.
I placed the mic in 5 different places, recorded a few seconds of each one, and listened back.
It was a toss up between having it right where the dust cap meets the speaker, or having it a few inches over, half way between the outside of the speaker and the dust cap. I ended up going for the first one, which was brighter. Maybe the other one would have been perfect if this is a little too bright.
heatmiser
mr. green christmas
So, are all the links changed to the new version? Or, can I A/B them by listening to the one at the top and then this new one?
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Greg_L
Banned
Cool. I like that dustcap/cone placement. That's my go-to spot 99% of the time. I'd say leave the mic there and bring the bass up. In my opinion a marginally bright guitar tracks is a good thing as long as there's lows and mids thickening it up.
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RAMI
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Unfortunately, all the links are changed. I don't even have any trace of the old version, including the guitar tracks. All evidense has been destroyed.
I never keep anything.
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RAMI
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I'll try that. I'll try rolling off some treble too. Still got a lot of experimenting to do. Like we've discussed, that's why I'm using a cover as my first trial tracks.
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Greg_L
Banned
I'll try that. I'll try rolling off some treble too. Still got a lot of experimenting to do. Like we've discussed, that's why I'm using a cover as my first trial tracks.
Yup. I googled your amp. Since it only has bass and treble controls, I have to assume they each cover a pretty wide frequency range. If you were at 2 and 5 on bass and treb, I'd bet 3-4 on the bass and 4 on the treb might be a good balance with a bright mic placement. What you got is good though. You got really nice results really quickly.
I know our amps are vastly different, but just for sharing of ideas/details, I typically run my bass around 7, mids around 7, treb around 4 or 5, presence on 0, and master vol way up. With a bright mic placement, I think I get a pretty balanced sound most of the time.
Mick Doobie
Maderator
those high vocals Awesome cover Rami.
The wife just came to my office door and shook it a bit. I just might get lucky tonight. Thanx!
I'm not trying to criticise your playing, great job. But, maybe try more of a staccato(?) on the first part of the guitar riff.
instead of Da-da Da-da Da
More of a Dadada Dadada Da
gives it more movement
Make sense? At least that is what i'm hearing when I listen to the original.
Apologies if i'm out of line. Again, great job.
Awesome cover Rami.The wife just came to my office door and shook it a bit. I just might get lucky tonight. Thanx!
I'm not trying to criticise your playing, great job. But, maybe try more of a staccato(?) on the first part of the guitar riff.
instead of Da-da Da-da Da
More of a Dadada Dadada Da
gives it more movement
Make sense? At least that is what i'm hearing when I listen to the original.
Apologies if i'm out of line. Again, great job.