writing originals vs. playing covers

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It's just my opinion and a different point of view.
And I respect it. I find you aren't necessarilly a man of many words but when you do have something to say, it's usually worth reading.
Myself, I hear a great song and I want to play it.Even if I had ten hours worth of originals I still would want to play a few covers.
And I can dig that too, partly because when I first thought about actually playing music, I never thought or rarely thought about writing my own stuff. I just wanted to do the songs I liked. But once I got the idea to write my own, covers just never became part of my thought process. For me, the best versions are the ones I dig and already listen to. I'm hardly going to add anything of worth and neither do I want to try.
Interestingly, I played and sang in church bands of various guises for 22 years and for the most part, you have to play covers {:cursing:}. One good thing about that was that most of the time I never had to hear the original version, either because it was written 300 years previous or because I'd just say to whoever 'just play me the song on piano/guitar and we'll add our own flavour'. On the few occasions I heard a record of one of those numbers, I always thought it was twee and I used to laugh. I was always so much more aggressive.
I always feel there is some kind of anti-cover sentiment on these boards
It's funny, I feel completely the opposite. So often when people ask for a critique of their singing or song, it's a cover. I find that there's a healthy respect for covers. In the guitar tone thread for instance, much of the guitar pieces were covers.
When you say 60's do you mean the 1960's?;):D:pSome of us go back a lot farther than that. I would say there were plenty of great songs before then
Don't get me wrong, there were. There still are ! :p
But it's undeniable fact that most, the overwhelming majority, of artists that made records or played concerts prior to the mid 60s did not write their own stuff. That's how places like the Brill building, the "he wrote the lyrics, he did the music" and "Holland/Dozier/Holland at Motown" type scenarios became legendary. There were people who wrote songs for a living. But they rarely made records. Young people that wrote songs and actually performed them are so rare in the history of popular music up until then.
And so it follows that as more people wrote their own stuff, it would add to the number of great stuff already out there. ;)

Maybe saying "stroking your ego" seems a bit harsh,but it's been my experience that egos are one of the biggest stumbling blocks for bands.
It was harsh in relation to where the OP was coming from but not in general. I totally agree with you about egos.
I remember a phrase that I came across in a biography on Eric Clapton back in 1979. In it the writer, John Pidgen, was describing how he got tired of endless jamming in gigs with Cream and was really struck by the music on the Band's first album, "Music at Big Pink" and what he describes as "the egoless unity of their playing" {George Harrison, fast getting tired of life in the Beatles went through the same thing}.
Fast forward 25 years and I'm reading Levon Helm's autobiography "This wheel's on fire" and if there was any to start with, that egoless unity soon disappeared ! I have read thousands of books/interviews and seen hundreds of documentaries on artists/bands and ego has gotten in the way, whether to a greater or lesser extent in virtually every single case, at some point.
It's almost like it can't not get in the way !

If you are any good, you will do well.
There have been gazillions of good bands or artists {perhaps they were only good for one album or one year or one decade} that never did well ! As we all know, public tastes, ours included, are about what one likes, not intrinsically "what is good". What we like, we consider to be good.
 
I would much rather do my own music, which cannot be done any better by anyone else, than to play defective imitations of what a juke box could do better.... But that's just me. Your milage may vary.... On the other hand, I happily do covers if I can take it, make it my own, redo it so there is some artistic vision beyond "sounds like the record". Like, for example, a reggae-punk version of Black Sabbaths 'Iron Man'.

There is a growing market for original music, at least around here. It is the result of BMI, ASCAP & SESAC suit-monkeys visiting bars and telling the owner "You owe us $1600 for royalties because we assume you allowed people to play music we license".

So there are several bar owners around now allow only original music performances, and record every band performance. The next time these guys show up, they'll toss a few DVDs at them, saying "Here's all the music that's been played here for the last year. If you can find any of YOUR music on it, then come back and we'll talk. Until then get the hell out of my bar." I like it!!
 
I would much rather do my own music, which cannot be done any better by anyone else, than to play defective imitations of what a juke box could do better.... But that's just me. Your milage may vary.... On the other hand, I happily do covers if I can take it, make it my own, redo it so there is some artistic vision beyond "sounds like the record". Like, for example, a reggae-punk version of Black Sabbaths 'Iron Man'.

There is a growing market for original music, at least around here. It is the result of BMI, ASCAP & SESAC suit-monkeys visiting bars and telling the owner "You owe us $1600 for royalties because we assume you allowed people to play music we license".

So there are several bar owners around now allow only original music performances, and record every band performance. The next time these guys show up, they'll toss a few DVDs at them, saying "Here's all the music that's been played here for the last year. If you can find any of YOUR music on it, then come back and we'll talk. Until then get the hell out of my bar." I like it!!

If that's true, that would be a good thing for original music bands. Besides the general lack of creativity involved with cover bands, my main gripe is that they often take gigs away from original bands. I think it would be ironically awesome if the music industry somehow stepped in and did something good for once and squashed cover music out of existence. Lol.
 
I saw the Doobie Brothers a while back. They did all their hits going back like 30 years. It hit me then. They are a cover band. Nothing new, doing their original music but it’s become so main stream it was like they were doing covers.
 
I would much rather do my own music, which cannot be done any better by anyone else, than to play defective imitations of what a juke box could do better.... But that's just me. Your milage may vary.... On the other hand, I happily do covers if I can take it, make it my own, redo it so there is some artistic vision beyond "sounds like the record". Like, for example, a reggae-punk version of Black Sabbaths 'Iron Man'.

You got to be kidding. That is the most fucked up thing I ever heard of. Might as well castrate him and then kill him, you’d be doing us all a favor.
 
I'd much rather hear a reggae-punk version of Iron Man than the original played by a bunch of jokers.
 
At the end of the day either someone is the leader of the band and gives out orders or you're all going to have to agree on what you're going to do.

As far as covers VS originals,as long as it's performed well it shouldn't matter.Are you playing to make the crowd happy or stroke your own ego?I'm all for originals but there's way too many great songs out there to discount covers completely.




Agreed, everyone plays covers whether they admit to it, or not.
 
Agreed, everyone plays covers whether they admit to it, or not.
If you mean that in the present tense, then that is way, way off base. If you mean that at some point everyone has played a song not written by them, then unless one is talking about Hermit Frank, you're probably right. :p
 
I'd much rather hear a reggae-punk version of Iron Man than the original played by a bunch of jokers.

Just searched it, Dread Zepplin has not covered Iron Man yet.
 
I 99% despise covers when playing live. That last 1% is left for a fun oddball or different arrangement of a cover song. But straight up covers live? No way. Cover bands get paid more, for some reason, but I don't care. I'd rather get paid nothing and play originals. I've never wanted to be a "working musician". I just want to write and play stuff I or the band writes. There's no ego behind it because I know it will get me nowhere and I never expect anyone to like it, but still, at least I'm playing my own music and not hacking my way through someone else's.

Just re-reading some of this and upon further thought I have to agree with Greg. I'm not the greatest guitar player and I know when I do originals there is just no way I'm going to sound like the original. That's probably why I enjoy writing my own because I don't have to try to sound like someone else. I can just play the song the way I want to play it.
 
I know when I do originals there is just no way I'm going to sound like the original.
I have this unerring ability to never sound like the original ! :D
That's probably why I enjoy writing my own because I don't have to try to sound like someone else. I can just play the song the way I want to play it.
I don't enjoy writing my own stuff because I don't have to try to sound like someone else, I just don't sound like anybody else. Thinking about it, although when I first thought about being a musician I wanted to play songs that I already liked in styles that I liked and I admired certain voices and had a downer on my own voice, I never once listened to anyone and thought "I'd like to sound like that", vocally, instrumentally or overall soundwise. It's just never crossed my mind. So even if I've set out writing a jazz fusion or heavy rock or acoustic folk or whatever piece, it comes out in such an idiosyncratic way that it doesn't sound like "what it's meant to".
 
If it's not too late to chime in. I made my living playing music from late 79 to 90 and was earning pretty good money 4 years prior to 79 (but I was in high school, so that doesn't count). Played in a lot of cover bands and made a lot of money that way. But you have to be GOOD. There's a lot of competition for every gig. There's a lot of established bands that are going to scoop up an awful LOT of those gigs. You've admitted that you're not a great guitarist, so that's probably not going to work out for you.

On the other hand, playing originals (if the music's good) can make you MAJOR money. The only band that I was ever in that was offered a recording contract (two actually) played exactly TWO covers. You don't have to be a great musician, but you're going to need great songwriting. Join a forum for songwriters that will tear apart your lyrics, offer opinions on what would flow or sound better, whatever.

But finally, listen to Greg, Lt. Bob, and some of the others on here THAT ARE MAKING A LIVING AT THIS!!! If you're taking advice from someone who's mixing at night and being an accountant during the day on what you should do as a performing musician, IMHO you've lost your mind...
I hope there's nobody on this thread that fits that bill...and if there is, no offence is meant personally! :p Just saying, I wouldn't take accounting advice from my doctor! ;)
 
But finally, listen to Greg, Lt. Bob, and some of the others on here THAT ARE MAKING A LIVING AT THIS!!! If you're taking advice from someone who's mixing at night and being an accountant during the day on what you should do as a performing musician, IMHO you've lost your mind...
I hope there's nobody on this thread that fits that bill...and if there is, no offence is meant personally! :p Just saying, I wouldn't take accounting advice from my doctor! ;)
Most people on these pages do not make a living playing music but nonetheless have opinions and experiences that may or may not be useful and Mr C did ask for opinions.
I might take accounting advice from the doctor if I thought about what they said and it seemed like a sensible way to go.
 
Lt Bob is the only person on this entire site that I know of that literally "makes a living" playing music. As in, it's his job, and not just something to do. The rest of us are just hacks and hobbyists.
 
I think is very easy to slip into having way too many cover bc theyre fun, easy, and get crowd results, but if you put in the work of developing your bands sound - you can make covers your own.
 
I would much rather do my own music, which cannot be done any better by anyone else, than to play defective imitations of what a juke box could do better.... But that's just me. Your milage may vary.... On the other hand, I happily do covers if I can take it, make it my own, redo it so there is some artistic vision beyond "sounds like the record". Like, for example, a reggae-punk version of Black Sabbaths 'Iron Man'.

There is a growing market for original music, at least around here. It is the result of BMI, ASCAP & SESAC suit-monkeys visiting bars and telling the owner "You owe us $1600 for royalties because we assume you allowed people to play music we license".

So there are several bar owners around now allow only original music performances, and record every band performance. The next time these guys show up, they'll toss a few DVDs at them, saying "Here's all the music that's been played here for the last year. If you can find any of YOUR music on it, then come back and we'll talk. Until then get the hell out of my bar." I like it!!


That works until the BMI guy listens and says "this one and this one and this one are all registered you stupid fuck! Maybe when you thought you were being so smart to ask for 'only originals' you should have said 'unregistered originals'!"

Which of course shows why songwriters should register their originals (its free with BMI) unless you are making good money playing these 'unregistered' venues.


As to the covers/originals argument (which is neverending on almost any music forum), it depends on what you are trying to do in your band, where you are playing (or planning on playing) and your audience.
If you're a thrash-metal band where the audience is practically killing themselves out on the dance floor, you can play whatever you want.
If you're an acoustic duo playing at a bar/pub and start doing all originals that no one has heard, they all start talking louder and ask the bartender to turn up the volume on the TVs and tell the 'band' to turn it down. :rolleyes:
An acoustic solo performer can play the coffeehouse circuit doing nothing but originals, but that circuit won't pay the rent.

Doobie Brothers doing their 30-year history of hits - as "covers"? Really? Don't you think that's what 95% of the audience wants to hear? Sure, they can mix in a few songs from a new album (if they have one), but look around the show - and see the PAYING audience singing along, and dancing, etc. for all those 'cover' hits. Do you think that if they did a 90 minute set of new music that no one knows the audience would be happy and that the promoters would book the band again? That might work for bands that have a 'cult'-type following, assuming they are booking smallish venues (under 500) most of the time.
Perfect example is Todd Rundgren - mini-tour just finishing up ro go with his new album 'State' - an almost-hip-hop style, mostly electronic pre-recorded music. Small venues and undersold tickets and no few complaints (and walk-outs) from people not expecting this and wanting to hear his hits. Immediately booked a small tour of LARGER venues to do a series of 'hits' shows with much better ticket sales right off the mark.
 
I think maybe sometimes the ego is more closely associated with choosing to play covers. At least with my experience, and I thnk in most localities it is a common experience, cover bands get more gigs, original bands less. If you want to play out more and get your face-in-the-place, covers are going to do that.

Back in the day, I sorta scoffed at the dudes who insisted they wanted their band to play (virtually) all originals. We, my cover band(s), we played out several times a month, the originals dudes rarely played out, if ever. It's all on what you value. If I had it to do all over again I would have done it differently. Many times my heart wasn't in it, the music, the only thing that made it worthwhile was that we were playing for crowds of people......which for a musician in the end is a poor substitute for feeling passionate about the music.

It's a tough call for guys who are hired into a band to play the founder's covers with little input other than going with the flow and not making waves.....being asked to play covers (yours) that are possibly less likely to get you gigs rather than playing the famed covers that'll get your face-in-the-place...local notoriety, getting laid and all that.

Knowing what I know now, in hindsite, I would rather be relegated to playing in a garage all the time than playing a lot of shitty cover tunes just because people like the familiarity of shit they've heard over & over and thus it'll get you gigs. Not sure i'd be so excited about sitting in a garage being dictated to, though.

In the end I guess it boils down to you have to want the same thing(s). Someone is likely going to a more "talented" songwriter with better ideas and focus, but the other guys have to have a similar vision and feel a part of the resultant product. If you feel strident that the other musicians must toe the line, you might be better off having guys sit-in on tracks for the opportunity to showcase their chops, or hiring musicians. There has to be some kind of payoff, I reckon.
 
I think it mainly matters what you want to accomplish.

I somehow doubt that the bands that are being covered got to where they are by doing cover songs.
Sure, cover bands get work, they might even make a couple hundred bucks; but that's not the point, for me.

If you play all originals, you suddenly propel yourself into a in different realm:
You probably won't work at all for money, but if you get lucky and do find work (paid or otherwise),
the personal reward is far greater than a few bucks in your pocket.


The whole point of doing HR for me is to try and get my own composition to manifest into reality.
I've been in a few bands, and I can't even play a cover song.
Well, I lie, I did learn and play along with Nazareth's Hair of the Dog the other night.



I might be convinced to cover this one:



But then, it's already sort of a cover:

 
An original and two covers, from my generation, just for fun.






 
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