Debating Analog or Digital

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. No need for negativity. .
No need to be redundant.
This has been beaten to death, and there is no right answer. I've earned the right to be as negative as I want about such a ridiculously tired topic.

You don't have to dwell on my post either....just move on if you don't like my opinion on it.......
 
You also dont have to waste your time scrolling down reading the whole post which you obiviously did. And waste your time commenting. But you did. Damn.. Somebody pissed on your reel to reel tape today. :wtf:
 
No need to be redundant.
This has been beaten to death, and there is no right answer. I've earned the right to be as negative as I want about such a ridiculously tired topic.

You're not paying attention. ;) I thought from the title it might be the tired topic as you say, but if you look past the title the OP was asking for feedback from people who have done what he's considering doing... using analog. A dedicated analog forum is the natural place to go to ask a question like, "Do you have any regrets or negative experiences in going from digital back to analog?" And it's a good thoughtful question for someone contemplating such a move.

Carry on... :)
 
Thank you Beck! That was the exact reason for my post.
 
You also dont have to waste your time scrolling down reading the whole post which you obiviously did. And waste your time commenting. But you did. Damn.. Somebody pissed on your reel to reel tape today. :wtf:
No, I didn't scroll down and read the whole thread. I think I read parts of maybe 3 posts , so you're wrong, but nice try Dr. Phil. :eek:

All I said was something a long the lines "Not this again". YOU didn't have to comment on it, but you decided to take it personally.

YOU didn't have to respond to me......twice.....but you did. Damn, someone must have pissed in your Pablum this morning. :D
 
You're not paying attention. ;) I thought from the title it might be the tired topic as you say, but if you look past the title the OP was asking for feedback from people who have done what he's considering doing... using analog.:)
HAHA! Well, there you go. That proves that his assumption that I actually read anything in this thread was totally wrong.
 
So you admint to not reading it, then comment on it with a negative comment about something you didnt even read. he said by the title he thought it would be tired. Not the topic. Ok.. I'm done responding to you. I guess this topic isnt tired anymore!
 
So you admint to not reading it, then comment on it with a negative comment about something you didnt even read. he said by the title he thought it would be tired. Not the topic. Ok.. I'm done responding to you. I guess this topic isnt tired anymore!

I went by the title. You need a better title. This one's horrible.

:D
 
Myself, I grew up with records and cassettes. Of course, the '90's (and half of the '00's) for me were CDs CDs CDs. But going back to my dad's record collection, nothing sounded like the stuff from the '70's, and the CDs I had (of the same albums) just didn't compare to the real thing. You can still get that sound today, but it means keeping your signal chain fully analog from start to finish. Maybe it is subjective, but it still sounds better, and I'm hardly the only one that thinks so. That's why I choose to work with tape.

So yeah, I started recording digital back in school, which was my first exposure to ProTools. Of course, I didn't know how to do all that cutting and pasting and was just learning punch-ins. Even these days I'll record digital for some stuff. I'm working with a guy trying to compose music for him to use in his youtube videos, and it really helps to be able to repeat a two-second phrase over and over ad infinitum, since all he really wants are drum loops. With digital, I can knock something off and send it to him via email in just a few hours. Digital TECHNIQUES and progressing technology will always have the advantage of being more expedient.

The thing is: is this good?

I'm working on this right now as I'm reading Theodore Sturgeon, and he had the problem nailed more than 50 years ago. Sure, technology is wonderful, and can help us do amazing things, however, we're all too ready to be slaves to convenience, and it's a hard cycle to break.

It's an argument that goes way beyond the analog vs. digital debate. There's a discipline that has to be learned, true, but you'd be better off for having learned to do things "the hard way," as it were. When you learn guitar, it's much better to start off on an acoustic than an electric. If you learn to ride, you'll get a lot more learning English rather than Western...if you can ride English style, you can ride anything. This goes to damn near every facet of life. Over the last 6 months, I've been learning how to do pastry shells from scratch. Sure, I could go to Kroger and buy anything I wanted to pre-made; does that mean that there is nothing to be gained from being able to make pumpkin pies and Cornish pasties in my own damn kitchen?

I get shit all the time from people who are stuck in their ultra-modern way of living, and are too set in their ways to change. The thing is, that all their arguments seem to come back to the premise that digital is easier. Not better, but easier. Now, they usually argue that digital is better because it is easier, but really, they ultimately end up sounding like a fat kid expounding the virtues of donuts over green beans. Even when they concede that I'm right (and most do after I yell at them enough), they admit that it's not worth it to them to change their evil ways. Here's a biblical example: Matthew 19:16-26.

OK, I'm starting to get more tongue-in-cheek the longer I write, but I hope I've got my point across.

I applaud that you are at a crossroads, and are willing to make a commitment to record on tape; a lesser person wouldn't even consider it. My advice is to get the 388 and fully embrace tape. Yes, there will be a learning curve, and at first it could be hard, but you'll be a better person for learning a new discipline.
 
People are into a full blown love affair with their computers.

To most average people, anything thats controlled by, ported to, or emulated with a computer somehow seems "better". Some of this is irrational, based on my statement, above. However, that's what's generally seen as "progress".
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To most average people, anything thats controlled by, ported to, or emulated with a computer somehow seems "better". Some of this is irrational, based on my statement, above. However, that's what's generally seen as "progress.

I'm not against digital audio or computers, but I have to agree. I've seen a lot of "awe" directed at computer apps and the whole "it's digital" thing....not to mention, that even some manufacturers of non-pro audio stuff are getting caught up with the "it must be better, it's digital" mentality.

I to this day hate digital TV picture quality, and IMO all HDTV does is make it even uglier....very stark, over-hyped contrast....like people who take teeth whitening to excess! :D
Watch the fade transitions on a digital broadcast, how crude they can be at times.
 
Flame War!
:spank::eek:;)

:laughings:

I really don't want to start any digital vs. analog. Especially in the analog forum! :eek:


This has been done already, anyway. While I may prefer digital, that doesn't mean I think analog is inferior. I think great things can be and have been done with analog. It's just not for me.
 
I really don't want to start any digital vs. analog. Especially in the analog forum! :eek:.

Naaa....I don't think anyone is trying to do that, as I'm sure we all cross the analog/digital lines on some level, at some point.
I think it should be possible to discuss the pros/cons of both...not to create a flame war, but to discover/agree on best-case approaches for using one or the other or....both. :)
 
I'm not against digital audio or computers, but I have to agree. I've seen a lot of "awe" directed at computer apps and the whole "it's digital" thing....not to mention, that even some manufacturers of non-pro audio stuff are getting caught up with the "it must be better, it's digital" mentality.

I to this day hate digital TV picture quality, and IMO all HDTV does is make it even uglier....very stark, over-hyped contrast....like people who take teeth whitening to excess! :D
Watch the fade transitions on a digital broadcast, how crude they can be at times.

I love a good thread hijack in the morning!

The problem with digital TV (admitting I've only seen it in the UK and Aus) isn't the digital technology; it's the greed of the broadcasters cramming in far more channels to their available bandwidth that can be handled nicely.

If you see the original pictures during the production process they are things of beauty--almost good enough to fool you into thinking you're actually there. Then, to transmit these pictures, they suddenly compress them down to ridiculously low bit rates so they can cram several services into one UHF/VHF channel. If you think 128kbps MP3 is a bad representation of your music, squeezing a TV picture (which may have started life at 270Mbps) down to 2 or 3 Mbps is guaranteed to make sure the pictures are a mess. You're entirely right to single out transitions but also watch things with moving detail--pavement on a road from a moving car is another favourite of mine. To put these bit rates into perspective, even for news we used to use 8Mbps for the backhaul of a single channel--and that was pushing it. Delivering to your home, they cram 4 programmes into the same bandwidth.

Add to this the fact that most people at home crank the chroma, brightness and contrast up way too high "because they like bright pictures" and their ain't no hope.

If you want to see what digital pictures CAN look like, watch most modern films in a cinema. Almost every movie is shot electronically these days. (Admittedly at even higher resolution than HDTV but HD looks darn good back at the studio.)
 
Flame War!
:spank::eek:;)

Aaaah, I certainly don't want to start that...not my intention.

I to this day hate digital TV picture quality, and IMO all HDTV does is make it even uglier....very stark, over-hyped contrast....like people who take teeth whitening to excess! :D
Watch the fade transitions on a digital broadcast, how crude they can be at times.

I love a good hijack too...and maybe start another flame war.

It depends on what you watch. I can't say I care much for digital noise and pixelation on broadcast TV, but then maybe I've been lucky so far. I'm a bit more picky about what I watch, too. Admittedly, I've never been a fan of broadcast TV, but from time to time I catch movies at a friend's house that has DirecTV, and I thought the picture was great. You can't really tell me that broadcast on 480i from a quad video machine will look as good as the same program that has a new 2-4k digital transfer and is being broadcast in HD, because I won't believe you.

That said, maybe it's what you're watching. Shit shot digitally will always look like shit shot digitally, and it doesn't matter what resolution it has. So maybe that's your problem? I'm still coming down from the golden age of television (the '90's), where damn near every program of substance was shot on 35mm film and it's really incomparable. Thankfully, that hasn't disappeared altogether. If you have a chance to catch the Walking Dead (Super 16), Boardwalk Empire (35mm), or something else that shoots film, I think you'd be astounded at how good tv can look...better yet, get blu-ray.
 
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