Violin microphone Positioning?

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Hello there people of HR, I have a question on the Violin microphone positioning, after a few hours of researching, I got 2 microphone positioning : The violin soundhole microphone positioning and the "above the violin" positioning. May i know which is better to get the sound clearer and lively?

Cheers,
Darren
 
I'm afraid this is one of those questions where the honest answer is "it depends". It depends on the instrument, the player, the room you're in and what you're trying to achieve.

Personally, I tend to use the close mic technique primarily for live work where I need the gain before feedback. Soundwise, I generally find this position a bit "screechy" and requiring a fair bit of EQ to tame. Trouble is, one person's screechy is another's "clearer and lively".

For recording, I'd much rather use a more distant mic above the violin, generally poking in over the violinists shoulder. To me, this gives a more neutral, natural sound--still plenty of clarity but just more balanced.

The decision is made more difficult by the huge variations between different instruments and players. The violin is on instrument where I tend to have to experiment and listen every time I place a mic--very small moves can make huge differences in the sound quality. I'd recommend a lot of "try it and see" time.
 
I see, Bobbsy, thanks alot for your comment! I will take that into consideration.

Cheers,
Darren.
 
For recording, I've been getting good results with an Audio Technica 853 placed a couple of feet away from the violin and aiming in its general direction. The 853 is normally used as an enslemble mike (like, for choirs), but it is great on violin.

The violin on this track was recorded that way.




For stage work I usually go for a Behringer C2 a lot closer. The C2 is very well behaved in live situations.
 
i'd go along with the over the shoulder a couple of feet away. It sounds more natural captures the timbre of the instrument and playing nuances.
 
Never "done" a fiddle Darren but I have a Sontronics STC-2 LDC that is noted for a smooth, uncoloured response (unlike many big cap' mics) you might be able to find one to try?
If you are UK based PM me and you can have a loan of mine.

Dave.
 
I'm using different tricks for live:
A) For a fiddler that is "stable" on his/her spot; a pencil mic about 1'-2' (or 30-50cm) away.
B) For one that is moving more, ehhh... "freely": a lavalier type with various mounting options,
1: dpa uses this neat trick: violin3.webp


2: the same mic can be mounted "musical style" with a little piece of band-aid on the cheek bone, just below the eye.
3: or a mike with a different style of clamp like a ATM350 atm350_1g.webp
 
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Mackie Macheath reminds me that, again for live work (but in situations where I don't need to push for the last half dB of gain before feedback) a favourite technique of mine is to use an omni lav but, instead of the cheek mount, put it up in the violinist's hairline. This seems to give a nice natural tone without emphasising one side or the other of the strings. I suspect it also helps by imitating fairly well what the player hears since they're adjusting their performance to sound right to their ears.
 
Darren. Re the PM, the mic retails here at "only" £150 so two way shipping and insurance out of uk means you might as well just buy one! Even if it is not perfect for violin it is still a damn good LDC for the money.

Dave.
 
Alright, I will take that into consideration, Dave.

Cheers,
Darren.
 
For live ... It's ussually quick and dirty for me. A SM57 up and over the top pointed at the body/neck.
That is if I have to supply the micing - most have a system installed then it could be a Di situation.

For recording ... your imagination is your guide. Single omni microphone is kinda cool. ;)
 
As indicated - it depends on several factors. I've rarely had ideal results with close mic'ing - the rather piercing tone of a violin can be too much in a close mic scenario.

My best results (in the studio) were using a SD mic (I've had good results with an Octava MC012). Located about 2' over the shoulder (the shoulder the violin is cradeled on) of the player, pointed down toward the mic. THis gives a represetation of what the player hears - and how he/she adjusts technique accordingly.

In a live gig setting, some type of clip on mic would likely be the most functional (I've never had to record in a live gig setting - so this statement is based on comments from violinists I've worked with)

Naturally, if in a stuio, and if time/budget permits - experiment with a few mics and a few variations of placement.
 
Hello there people of HR, I have a question on the Violin microphone positioning, after a few hours of researching, I got 2 microphone positioning : The violin soundhole microphone positioning and the "above the violin" positioning. May i know which is better to get the sound clearer and lively?

Cheers,
Darren

It does help to understand how the violin radiates sound at different frequencies.

See below:-

-violin from above reduced.webp

Oh - I would always avoid "sound holes".
 
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