what are the secrets to having a really proffesional sounding rock song

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Greg_L said:
Yeah I'm pretty sick of people still mentioning the beatles.
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:laughings: You're always mentioning the Beatles !
Greg_L said:
If you wanna live up to 1964 standards.......
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This does bring up an interesting point though. Popular music has been through a progression in production standards/values in it's 100 years or so. So that leaves anyone making music today with a pretty huge pool of choice as to which sounds and techniques they want to adopt.
We can verge on playing double standard games sometimes because time after time, I see criticisms of today's music and how it is pretty standardized and lacking in risk and innovation and majoring in 'blah~dom' and samey~ness and the cookie cutter approach. But at the same time, we so often speak of how today's music should sound and how the various elements have to be in place, thus perpetuating the thing we seem to be initially criticizing.
For me, all the approaches of the last 60 years have their place. It's interesting that the greater the scope we have, the less scope we seem to use.
 
Greg_L said:
I didn't bring em up. I pointed out that you nostalgic lot need to get over it. Someone has to be a voice of reason!
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It's partly the human condition, people will always reference the past, especially if they liked it and it meant so much to them.
 
grimtraveller said:
It's partly the human condition, people will always reference the past, especially if they liked it and it meant so much to them.
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Ahhhh, remember the good times when Greg was being the voice of reason??
Anyone?

:p
 
grimtraveller said:
It's partly the human condition, people will always reference the past, especially if they liked it and it meant so much to them.
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Maybe, the Beatles are, for reasons that I don't understand, put on too high a pedestal. To me, and this is just my opinion, they were nothing more than a frilly pop boy band that ripped off literally everyone before them. That's fine, they made some nice songs in those early days, and I like their early cartoonish look and style. The girls liked them, and that's quite literally the only key to success. If young girls like you, you are golden, even to this day. When they did finally grow into their own musical style, it was self indulgent shit. Their "genius" is lost on me, and I hope it stays that way.
 
Greg_L said:
the Beatles are, for reasons that I don't understand, put on too high a pedestal.
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I agree with that. And I love their stuff. That said, I think virtually anyone in music, film, politics, religion, industry/business etc that gets talked about alot over many years and even in the current is put on too high a pedestal. It seems like it's a really difficult balancing act for us to hold someone in high esteem without floating off into the stratosphere of near deification.
I will say though, in the case of the Beatles, they did something that at the time was actually quite difficult. They took from many sources, be it hair, clothes/fashion, business, instruments, recording techniques, sounds, technology, drugs, philosophies, career trajectories etc and popularized them for kids and young people and made them accesible and blind sided many parents and adults of the day by making things seem quite ordinary and they did it with humour. By the time their real motives and intent started to become clear to the establishment, it was too late.
But though you say you don't understand it, their enduring appeal is really quite simple. People dug them. The music, the package. For some it's only about the music. For many it's about what the music represents. But it's pretty much like that in regard to every artist there's ever been, I suspect.
 
If the OP actually comes back to this thread I would offer this advice.

While a great sounding recording should always be your goal whats paramount is your songs and performance. IMO this trumps everything, your not gonna sit down to record and be able to make a polished commercial sounding demo right off the bat and it doesnt freakin matter, you just need to worry about the basics, which are easy with a little practice. A great song and performance will shine thru even a poor recording. There a thousands of examples of this.... umm, including the Beatles!

And ignore all the smart asses around here, most of us just are the guys who stand in the back of the bar with our arms crossed critiquing your every move and saying the sound guy sucks! Unless its Henry running the sound ,and in that case the whole band sucks except maybe one guy!
 
I've never been that dude. Even if a band sucks, if they are cool with the audience and putting in an effort, I clap. Sometimes, I'm the only one clapping. I've always hated "that dude" who makse it a point to show everyone that they're "not impressed" by having their arms crossed and having this arrogant look on their face. I've found over the time that those guys usually can't play, have never been on stage, and will always talk about how much they "used to" gig, but they "don't do clubs" any more. Usually, you find out they didn't "used to" do as much as they claim and aren't half as good as they claim to be.

Obviously, I'm not directing this at Greg or anyone else that claims to be that guy. I know Greg can play and does gig. But I hate "those guys" anyway. :D
 
RAMI said:
I've never been that dude. Even if a band sucks, if they are cool with the audience and putting in an effort, I clap. Sometimes, I'm the only one clapping. I've always hated "that dude" who makse it a point to show everyone that they're "not impressed" by having their arms crossed and having this arrogant look on their face. I've found over the time that those guys usually can't play, have never been on stage, and will always talk about how much they "used to" gig, but they "don't do clubs" any more. Usually, you find out they didn't "used to" do as much as they claim and aren't half as good as they claim to be.

Obviously, I'm not directing this at Greg or anyone else that claims to be that guy. I know Greg can play and does gig. But I hate "those guys" anyway. :D
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Yea, Ive seen and spoke to those same guys also but what I hate even worse is when people give shitty bands compliments, I for one do not give the, sometimes obligatory, "great show, sounded great, blah blah,...If a band sucks I just keep my mouth shut, and Ive heard from people that makes me seem stand-offish, but whatever, Im just being nice by keeping my mouth shut.

In fact it kinda pisses me off when a band sucks, and im not talkin about a kids band just starting off, im talkin about the guys that just dont care enough to get better because their friends think their great or whatever....we've all seen these kinds of bands.


Now if a band is good than I have no problem at all giving praise. In fact I would much rather play with bands and musicians that were 10 times better than me then sucky musicians. I have always been inspired by great musicians and never understood why some people are intimidated by percieved better musicians?
 
RAMI said:
I've never been that dude. Even if a band sucks, if they are cool with the audience and putting in an effort, I clap. Sometimes, I'm the only one clapping. I've always hated "that dude" who makse it a point to show everyone that they're "not impressed" by having their arms crossed and having this arrogant look on their face. I've found over the time that those guys usually can't play, have never been on stage, and will always talk about how much they "used to" gig, but they "don't do clubs" any more. Usually, you find out they didn't "used to" do as much as they claim and aren't half as good as they claim to be.

Obviously, I'm not directing this at Greg or anyone else that claims to be that guy. I know Greg can play and does gig. But I hate "those guys" anyway. :D
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Lol. My scene is absolute shit though. The people are shit, the bands are shit, the music is shit. If you were here you'd be standing back there with me. :D
 
RAMI said:
Even if a band sucks, if they are cool with the audience and putting in an effort, I clap. Sometimes, I'm the only one clapping.
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RAMI's clapping, Greg has his arms crossed.....

Am I the only one drinking?
 
Now that you mention it, Paul. I'll have an other ale.
 
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