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chuckduffy
Well-known member
This was great Greg - good stuff. Don't know if you ever watched the Young Ones - but they played this on there once, it was pretty cool.
heatmiser
mr. green christmas
This sounds fantastic Greg.
I always liked this tune. The only version I've ever heard is from No Sleep 'til Hammersmith (is there a studio version somewhere?), which is a little raunchier and not as tight as what you've done here. The guitar sound is tremendous. I'd like to hear that lead up a little more. Vocals sit well. I was curious whether you'd try to get your voice all rough and gravel-like and it sounds like you did a little, but it still sounds more or less like you. Fortunately, your voice is already well suited to this, so it works.
Really well done.
I always liked this tune. The only version I've ever heard is from No Sleep 'til Hammersmith (is there a studio version somewhere?), which is a little raunchier and not as tight as what you've done here. The guitar sound is tremendous. I'd like to hear that lead up a little more. Vocals sit well. I was curious whether you'd try to get your voice all rough and gravel-like and it sounds like you did a little, but it still sounds more or less like you. Fortunately, your voice is already well suited to this, so it works.
Really well done.
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Greg_L
Banned
Thanks.
Oh yeah, that Young Ones episode "Bambi" was my first ever taste of Motorhead. I was about 12, and I had no idea what it was, but I knew it was fucking awesome. I would tape the episodes off MTV late sunday nights. I usually skipped over the music breaks on that show, but Motorhead's piece got watched every time. Awesome.
Okay, another vote for more lead. I'll fix it up later. Thanks heat.
This was actually very easy to sing for me. I'm no Lemmy, no one is, but I'm okay with it. For one, I've sang it in the shower, car, during sex, in bands, etc for a hundred years. And secondly, my natural rock and roll voice is pretty bad so it works out fine. This is my voice in it's natural state.
Here's the studio version.
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chuckduffy
Well-known member
Life is funny. That's how I first heard motorhead too, on that episode, which is why I mentioned it. Cool.
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RAMI
Guest
Man, this sounds really good. If it's even possible, I think the drums sound better than usual. How much of the click on your kik is natural and how much is EQ'd in? I would have to crank more than 6db (at 4-5k) to get that amount of click. Do you have to EQ aggressively, or is it mostly there at the source?
Sounds really awesome, man.
Sounds really awesome, man.
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Greg_L
Banned
Wow, thanks a lot Rami. I did one thing very different with my drums on this tune - I EQ'd the overheads because I didn't like the sound I got after tracking. This wasn't meant to be very serious, so instead of re-tracking, I just EQ'd. I never do that, but I decided to give it a go and I like the results. Go figure.
The kick is a combination of it's natural sound, along with compression and some EQ. My kick is naturally pretty beastly. I take a lot of pride in trying to get em sounding really good on their own. Part of that is the head I use and the beaters themselves. And for a song like this I put a small pillow in the kick just barely touching the batter head.
Evans EMAD head with a thick falam patch and hard rubber Iron Cobra beaters. The hard beater material and falam patch give a lot of smack with the kick sound. With the felt beaters, it's not nearly as attacky. With wood beaters, it's way too slappy. The hard rubber beaters are just right for a song like this. So I'd say at least 50% of my finished sound is the kick itself and miking it close to the contact spot.
The other 50% is compression and EQ. Compression is pretty important to get the double-stroke part of the kick pattern even. The second hit is never as strong as the first hit, so compression evens it out and fattens it up. I don't have any specific settings, I just fiddle with the controls until I like it. Then I'll EQ as needed. It's mostly cuts with a little boost around 50hz and 4500. Here's the kick EQ for this song....
Naturally, that might not work for you, or anyone else, or even me again, but it worked for this song. Also, EQ'ing the overheads really cleaned up the kick sound. I zeroed in on kick and snare mud in the overheads and it really tightened everything up.
And last but not least, I flip the phase on the kick track. You taught me that little trick with the snare a while back. Works good on kicks too.
Also, new mix in the dropbox link with lead boosted .5 db. Thanks everyone.
Ace of Spades
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rayc
retroreprobate
So nice I played it twice.
Motorhead are an institution & Hawkwind wasn't improved by Lemmy's sacking.
Great song superbly done: your voice is a natural for this one.
I LOVE the vocal levels. It's not a tune to make a feature of voioce - it's about being hammered by all instruments at once.
I'll have to get out my LPs and have another listen to them live.
Excellent work Greg.
The guitar tones - nothing but sheer volume & excellent gear - is what 10,000 pedals are trying to be but fall short of emulating.
Motorhead are an institution & Hawkwind wasn't improved by Lemmy's sacking.
Great song superbly done: your voice is a natural for this one.
I LOVE the vocal levels. It's not a tune to make a feature of voioce - it's about being hammered by all instruments at once.
I'll have to get out my LPs and have another listen to them live.
Excellent work Greg.
The guitar tones - nothing but sheer volume & excellent gear - is what 10,000 pedals are trying to be but fall short of emulating.
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Greg_L
Banned
Thanks Ray. Yeah that's it in a nutshell. I did consider bringing the vocals up more, but it is meant to be a barrage of sound. The vocals are just another "instrument" as far as I'm concerned. Sometimes they should be out front, and sometimes they should sit in the mix with everything else. There's no right or wrong, I just went with them sitting in the mix for this one.
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RAMI
Guest
Wow, thanks a lot Rami. I did one thing very different with my drums on this tune - I EQ'd the overheads because I didn't like the sound I got after tracking. This wasn't meant to be very serious, so instead of re-tracking, I just EQ'd. I never do that, but I decided to give it a go and I like the results. Go figure.
The kick is a combination of it's natural sound, along with compression and some EQ. My kick is naturally pretty beastly. I take a lot of pride in trying to get em sounding really good on their own. Part of that is the head I use and the beaters themselves. And for a song like this I put a small pillow in the kick just barely touching the batter head.
Evans EMAD head with a thick falam patch and hard rubber Iron Cobra beaters. The hard beater material and falam patch give a lot of smack with the kick sound. With the felt beaters, it's not nearly as attacky. With wood beaters, it's way too slappy. The hard rubber beaters are just right for a song like this. So I'd say at least 50% of my finished sound is the kick itself and miking it close to the contact spot.
The other 50% is compression and EQ. Compression is pretty important to get the double-stroke part of the kick pattern even. The second hit is never as strong as the first hit, so compression evens it out and fattens it up. I don't have any specific settings, I just fiddle with the controls until I like it. Then I'll EQ as needed. It's mostly cuts with a little boost around 50hz and 4500. Here's the kick EQ for this song....
Naturally, that might not work for you, or anyone else, or even me again, but it worked for this song. Also, EQ'ing the overheads really cleaned up the kick sound. I zeroed in on kick and snare mud in the overheads and it really tightened everything up.
And last but not least, I flip the phase on the kick track. You taught me that little trick with the snare a while back. Works good on kicks too.
Also, new mix in the dropbox link with lead boosted .5 db. Thanks everyone.
Ace of Spades
Awesome man. Thanx for taking the time for the pictures and screenshot.
So, this tells me that I have to work a little on my kik sound before it gets to the mic. You have that 4.5k boosted by only2 db. I'd never get that click unless I boosted it more than that. Also, I use a shelf on my high boost, you use a pretty wide "Q". I have to experiment more.
Yeah, I always EQmy overheads just a bit. I'll usually low shelf somewhere around 100-175hz, cutting it by 3-6db, depending.
Anyway, your drums sound about as good as drums can sound in this tune.
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Greg_L
Banned
Thanks a lot dude. That means a lot coming from you.
One thing with the kick EQ....The low cuts (like at 150 and 400) tighten up the kick a lot - for me anyway. Getting that boxy muck out of there makes the high end boost not need to be so drastic. Had I not cut the mud in the solo'd kick and overhead tracks, I would have needed to boost the high end more in the kick track to get a proper kick attack. Know what I'm saying? Low mid mud fucks up everything!
One thing with the kick EQ....The low cuts (like at 150 and 400) tighten up the kick a lot - for me anyway. Getting that boxy muck out of there makes the high end boost not need to be so drastic. Had I not cut the mud in the solo'd kick and overhead tracks, I would have needed to boost the high end more in the kick track to get a proper kick attack. Know what I'm saying? Low mid mud fucks up everything!
fat_fleet
Swollen Member
Hey Greg. Great cover- nice clean punchy drums. A band I was in used to dick around with this song at practice to warm up. We just thrashed it out, didn't seriously try to learn it or anything. I always thought a Japanese language version would be awesome but never looked for one until now. No dice, but I did find this:
Manslick
Road
Sounds great man. Just on the edge of djent.
Ha ha like I know what djent is.
Ha ha like I know what djent is.
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Greg_L
Banned
Lol. Thanks dude. Give that girl a proper guitar and teach her some timing and she might almost be sexy.
Thanks. I don't really know what "djent" is either, but it's always mentioned and liked by tools, so I assume it can't be good.
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Greg_L
Banned
I looked up "djent"
kcearl
I see deaf people
out of the ballpark...one of my fave songs
if you were a band you would be one seriously tight band...so I think that makes a solo artist even better
all the levels sounded great, perfect vocals levels, punchy drums...great modern tone on the guitars...10/10
if you were a band you would be one seriously tight band...so I think that makes a solo artist even better
all the levels sounded great, perfect vocals levels, punchy drums...great modern tone on the guitars...10/10
kcearl
I see deaf people
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RAMI
Guest
That guy's got skinny legs.
kcearl
I see deaf people
It a guy! Oh nooooooooooooo
Steenamaroo
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phew!