The New Tone Thread

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joeydahlia said:
huh..the mic struggles to hear inside...
we created a barrier behind the magnet ..and with the pillow on the other side..it is very hard to hear inside..and your string are busting thru along with your harmonics..
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If the pillow on the inside changes the tone, and you say it does, then the mic is "hearing" what's happening on the inside. Right?

I get 100% feedback at Namm nobody wines like little girls...lol but I also understand your looking at picks and have alot of ???? but we do have to meet someday halfway..
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Lol. What? How many units did you sell based off your "100% feedback at Namm"? I can walk by a Ferrari and say "hey that's cool" and never actually buy one. I can go to a strip club and look at all the naked women and never pay a dime. Doesn't mean jack, dude.
 
Greg_L said:
If the pillow on the inside changes the tone, and you say it does, then the mic is "hearing" what's happening on the inside. Right?



Lol. What? How many units did you sell based off your "100% feedback at Namm"? I can walk by a Ferrari and say "hey that's cool" and never actually buy one. I can go to a strip club and look at all the naked women and never pay a dime. Doesn't mean jack, dude.
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we are getting nowhere...
I did summer Namm 2 years in a row..I sold some drums and gave away most...KlOpS is just like a virus...its been infected..only time will tell...
 
we're really trying to help you man ...... but you insist on sounding like an idiot when it comes to what speakers do.

And the whining like little girls .(there's a 'h' in whine ..... learn to spell ) .... who's whining?
We're pointing out things that could help ya.
We're all potential customers that you're alienating.
All those other sites where you're having the same arguments with other players? Also potential customers you alienate.
And I garuntee you that your line of claims will have the same effect on knowledgable players whether on-line or in person.

Further ... WE have been meeting you in the middle .... WE have been telling you your idea has merit .... you just need to correct some of your specious claims.
YOU'RE the one that won't budge.
good luck to ya' man .... hope you have success ...... now either play something and post some tone or get out of the tone thread.
 
joeydahlia said:
I said...someone is wrong..me or the 500,000 companies...lol
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Well cabs haven't changed much in 70-80 years or so, and surely way smarter people than you have come along and tried something new, and that stuff didn't stick, so I'm gonna say if someone has to be wrong then the someone that's wrong is you. Not because your idea is a bad one, but because it's just NOT better than using a regular cab, which has very successfully been used for decades by literaly everyone (except for you), and you erroneously think that your idea is better for reasons that are completely ill-conceived and totally not factual.

What you should really be trying to figure out is why you and you alone can't seem to get a decent sound out of a standard 4x12 cab when everyone else can with no problem at all.
 
Lt. Bob said:
The things you're saying are factually and scientifically incorrect and you should shy away from them and concentrate on what your cabs actually do which is provide their own unique sound.
That alone is something that your cabs genuinely DO provide. Another color on the tone palette for guitarists.
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Exactly....

This is what we are saying to you Joey...that you DO have a good angle with the additional/optional color to the tone palette, and that selling that way might appeal to players without ruffling anyone's feathers.
All this "my drum cabs are better than traditional cabs" type of stuff just ain't gonna go over smoothly.
Feedback on the NAMM floor is one thing...actual purchases of your product and feedback AFTER people buy it and use it, that's another thing. If all you end up having is a novelty "oh, look at that" kind of product...it won't really sell, and I'm assuming your goal is to sell product, right?

Have you done any actual tests/measurements about frequency responses and whatnot....in proper test chambers with calibrated test equipment, and then compared it to traditional cabs side-by-side....
...or are you just saying they're better because you think they are since it's your product?

I mean...if you start to use "science" to sell them by arguing that they are better than traditional cabs, you'll need to back it up...and then be prepared for traditional cab builders (those 500,000 other guys) to argue with their science.
Or...you can sell your drum cabs for their uniqueness and their "in-addition-to" worthiness.
If you argue science...and you lose on that level, then you can potentially also lose the unique/in-addition-to selling points.
Audio/music people will quickly run away from perceived snake oil sales pitches...and then you lose your true selling position.

Again...we think you have a very innovative idea and it can be interesting in it's own unique way...so why try to knock down the 500,000 other guys before you've even really started selling your products... ;)
 
I'm gonna record some tone now through my 4x12 and 2x12, Using a Strat and a Les Paul, into a 100w Marshall head, and there will be not one single phase or mud problem whatsoever.
 
miroslav said:
Exactly....

This is what we are saying to you Joey...that you DO have a good angle with the additional/optional color to the tone palette, and that selling that way might appeal to players without ruffling anyone's feathers.
All this "my drum cabs are better than traditional cabs" type of stuff just ain't gonna go over smoothly.
Feedback on the NAMM floor is one thing...actual purchases of your product and feedback AFTER people buy it and use it, that's another thing. If all you end up having is a novelty "oh, look at that" kind of product...it won't really sell, and I'm assuming your goal is to sell product, right?

Have you done any actual tests/measurements about frequency responses and whatnot....in proper test chambers with calibrated test equipment, and then compared it to traditional cabs side-by-side....
...or are you just saying they're better because you think they are since it's your product?

I mean...if you start to use "science" to sell them by arguing that they are better than traditional cabs, you'll need to back it up...and then be prepared for traditional cab builders (those 500,000 other guys) to argue with their science.
Or...you can sell your drum cabs for their uniqueness and their "in-addition-to" worthiness.
If you argue science...and you lose on that level, then you can potentially also lose the unique/in-addition-to selling points.
Audio/music people will quickly run away from perceived snake oil sales pitches...and then you lose your true selling position.

Again...we think you have a very innovative idea and it can be interesting in it's own unique way...so why try to knock down the 500,000 other guys before you've even really started selling your products... ;)
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a side by side has already been done...I posted the links also..they have hit the stage and my problem is only a small amount of people know them and thats where winter Namm comes to play..

that will all change ...

and people really mic the sound bouncing off the walls..????
 
joeydahlia said:
a side by side has already been done...I posted the links also
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I meant response tests, using calibrated measuring equipment in a proper test environment.

I didn't find the YouTube clips very good, if those are the clips you are referring to. The recorded sound quality was very distorted and dirty, and if anything, I thought the 412 cab sounded better. Much more balanced with a nice low end.
Your 112 sounded thin and weak.
Play some cleaner chords and single lead notes...that will better reveal the sound quality.

If that's the "science" you are presenting...those two clips....mmmmm, good luck. :)
 
miroslav said:
I meant response tests, using calibrated measuring equipment in a proper test environment.

I didn't find the YouTube clips very good, if those are the clips you are referring to. The recorded sound quality was very distorted and dirty, and if anything, I thought the 412 cab sounded better. Much more balanced with a nice low end.
Your 112 sounded thin and weak.
Play some cleaner chords and single lead notes...that will better reveal the sound quality.

If that's the "science" you are presenting...those two clips....mmmmm, good luck. :)
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what I liked about them is that was the 1st time I heard the drum compared to a 4x12..
Not sure if we are talking about the same video..cause the 4x12 sounded like pure mud...
 
joeydahlia said:
what I liked about them is that was the 1st time I heard the drum compared to a 4x12..
Not sure if we are talking about the same video..cause the 4x12 sounded like pure mud...
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this is a tone thread ..... play something ... post some tone .... or get out.
 
Lt. Bob said:
sounds ok ..... not mind blowing or even that interesting but it is a decent sound.

And it's weep ....... learn to spell.
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They get better..that was a 333xl..I have the new 6262 inf and the lead tone is way better...
 
Telegram Sam said:
It's definitely an interesting tone...what kind of speaker is that you're using?
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The K100...

I am getting a far richer tone with the 6262..a little brighter also..6 pre amp tubes and better for lead then the 4 in the 333xl...I will have a new video in the next few weeks ...
 
miroslav said:
Maybe it's just me....but I'm hearing a lot of "hash" underneath the main tone....like a fine, gritty noise.

What is that? Can anyone else hear that?

It would help to hear the tone better if you like dialed back some of that stadium reverb you got going. :)
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lol you know what that is...

its a low quality mp3 all my old vids have it..I did not know at the time that there were better quality mp3's..but I am sure your not blaming hiss on my pumpkinmuffins...hehe
 
joeydahlia said:
lol you know what that is...

its a low quality mp3 all my old vids have it..I did not know at the time that there were better quality mp3's..but I am sure your not blaming hiss on my pumpkinmuffins...hehe
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Put up some straight WAV file clips....that should eliminate the digital conversion factor from the sound.
I still think it's the amp/speaker making the "hash"...but some WAV clips would make it easier to tell...or at least put up some 320 Kbs MP3 files.
 
miroslav said:
Put up some straight WAV file clips....that should eliminate the digital conversion factor from the sound.
I still think it's the amp/speaker making the "hash"...but some WAV clips would make it easier to tell...or at least put up some 320 Kbs MP3 files.
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Oh I do now...I will record a wav this week ...now in the new video's I import the wav ..but these videos are 2 years old...even 3...and all were low quality mp3...2 years ago I had 56k so my uploads had to be tiny...hehe there is your hiss...
 
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