The New Tone Thread

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joeydahlia said:
Um a 1x12 has the same volume of a 4x12 ...I dont get what ya mean..sorry..my k100 can put out the same volume as 4 k100's..so we are almost on the same page...lol
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sorry ... you're not. You've got a cool idea ..... i really mean that.

But you don't seem to know much about regular guitar cabs. By volume greg is talking about the amount of cubic space in the cab, A larger cab goes lower in frequency even if you're only micing one speaker.
A 1x12 cab will NOT sound the same as a 4x12 cab because of the difference in volume.
 
joeydahlia said:
Um a 1x12 has the same volume of a 4x12 ...I dont get what ya mean..sorry..my k100 can put out the same volume as 4 k100's..so we are almost on the same page...lol
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I'm not talking about volume. I'm talking about the wattage of the speaker. I don't think a K100 sounds good. So say I wanna use a Greenback with a 100w amp because I like the sound of Greenbacks. Your product is then useless, unless I buy 4 of them, and then what's the point?.
 
Lt. Bob said:
no .... I'm not seeing that ....... if I use a 120 watt speaker it won't get into it's sweet spot with a 5 watt amp and if I use a 25 watt speaker it will blow up if I use a 120 watt amp. I don't agree with you on that.
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This X 10000000000000000000
 
joeydahlia said:
But KlOpS does not create any sound at all you only hear whats coming off the speaker...
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that's not possible and it's an example of you not really understanding speaker design.
First .... ALL cabs effect the sound and round or not ..... that's a cab. Further, drum shells are made to vibrate so those shells vibrate along with the speaker producing some sound of their own.
It's very likely that those shells produce MORE sound that a solid dead cabinet.
That might actually be the very thing people like about your cabs.
 
joeydahlia said:
I did last summers Namm with a 1x12 vintage 30 and got 100% feedback...and that was 13,000 people...lol so a 1x12 is plenty..

if you want 4 times the signal well then you have to separate the speakers...independent cabs sorry..
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A V30 is a 70-80w speaker. So your product forces people to use a high wattage speaker that they may not like or want to use?
 
Greg_L said:
I'm not talking about volume. I'm talking about the wattage of the speaker. I don't think a K100 sounds good. So say I wanna use a Greenback with a 100w amp because I like the sound of Greenbacks. Your product is then useless, unless I buy 4 of them, and then what's the point?.
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lol.. your kidding...I can tell...

what would it hurt to have independent cabs??...lol
 
Lt. Bob said:
well ..... manufacturing is definitely a factor.


And in the very most expensive speakers ( I'm talking 50 grand and up) it's pretty common to not have a rectangular cab because of some of the things that Joet is talking about ... standing waves and such.
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Yeah, may be, but I think with doing any "non-cut wood" cabinets...aka man-made stuff...once they tooled up, after that the manufacturing wouldn't be much more expensive, and then you have high-end studio monitors, where cost isn't as much of a concern, and I've never seen anyone step away from the boxed designes and opt for tubular.

And yeah...I didn't specifically mean "perfect" rectangular/square...just "box" rather than tube.
You are right about audiophile designs stepping away from the perfect/square boxes.
 
Lt. Bob said:
that's not possible and it's an example of you not really understanding speaker design.
First .... ALL cabs effect the sound and round or not ..... that's a cab. Further, drum shells are made to vibrate so those shells vibrate along with the speaker producing some sound of their own.
It's very likely that those shells produce MORE sound that a solid dead cabinet.
That might actually be the very thing people like about your cabs.
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our shells are 3/8 of an inch thick...they dont vibrate at all...and 1/2 padding and furry fleece its dead inside the drums..
 
joeydahlia said:
lol.. your kidding...I can tell...

what would it hurt to have independent cabs??...lol
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What has it ever hurt to have one cab with multiple speakers? People have done it very successfully since the dawn of recording guitars. You got a neat idea, and i hope it works for you, but the logic behind it is flawed and you have zero science backing it up.
 
joeydahlia said:
Phil said he never heard his tone that way before...and for Namm we made a drum to stand upright just like in the pic
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That's an other good concept for it to stand upright.

Now is the length of the drum (speaker cab) always the same?
 
Greg_L said:
What has it ever hurt to have one cab with multiple speakers? People have done it very successfully since the dawn of recording guitars. You got a neat idea, and i hope it works for you, but the logic behind it is flawed and you have zero science backing it up.
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adjustable cabs
open or closed

zero science ....omg
 
Lt. Bob said:
A 1x12 cab will NOT sound the same as a 4x12 cab because of the difference in volume.
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Yes...exactly.

Same point I was trying to make earlier.
Not sure why Joey thinks 412 cabs are just about "4 times the signal" compared to a 112, and nothing more....???
 
moresound said:
That's an other good concept for it to stand upright.

Now is the length of the drum (speaker cab) always the same?
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Not these new drums..they are half the size 14 inches the speaker uses gravity to mount and you mic face up...
fully padded and very very clean....
 
joeydahlia said:
our shells are 3/8 of an inch thick...they dont vibrate at all...and 1/2 padding and furry fleece its dead inside the drums..
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lol ...... you're wrong bro.
3/8" is nothing. In audiophile cabs it's common to have them an inch and a half to three inches and they STILL vibrate.
Your cabs vibrate plenty ...... you have a neat idea and I wish you luck but you need to stop making comments like that because anyone that does know about speaker design wil have a tendency to dismiss your cabs because of some of the nonsensical claims you're making.

So I'd say just be excited about your product and how it sounds and don't make silly comments about it allowing you to adjust a speaker to an amp's wattage.
If it sounds good and you don't make claims that aren't true you may have a winning product.
 
joeydahlia said:
Not these new drums..they are half the size 14 inches the speaker uses gravity to mount and you mic face up...
fully padded and very very clean....
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Nice! Any other ideas on the back burner for these?
 
With this type of somewhat "quirky" product...if it sounds good to people, it will sell itself...so no need to toss out a lot of science to promote it...IMHO.

Most guitar players have little clue or deep interest about the inner workings of traditional cabs, so trying to sell yours with "science" may not do much for you....it might even backfire on you.
Players just know if they like the sound or not...and I think that will be your best selling point, that they sound different, and of course, some folks like stuff that's a little "quirky" and different....
 
miroslav said:
With this type of somewhat "quirky" product...if it sounds good to people, it will sell itself...so no need to toss out a lot of science to promote it...IMHO.

Most guitar players have little clue or deep interest about the inner workings of traditional cabs, so trying to sell yours may with "science" not do much.
Players just know if they like the sound or not...and I think that will be your best selling point, that they sound different, and of course, some folks like stuff that's little "quirky" and different....
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Oh I did say that...the old school er knows what phasing is ..but there was no way to get rid of it...
 
miroslav said:
With this type of somewhat "quirky" product...if it sounds good to people, it will sell itself...so no need to toss out a lot of science to promote it...IMHO.

Most guitar players have little clue or deep interest about the inner workins of traditional cabs, so trying to sell that with yours may not do much. Players just know if they like the sound or not...and I think that will be your best selling point, that they sound different, and of course, some folks like stuff that's little "quirky" and different....
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I like the idea and the effort he's put into it. I really do. I respect that.

I just don't for one second buy the notion that it's better than a traditional speaker cab just because it's different and quirky or that you can tailor any speaker to any amp for any sound, or any of that other complete nonsense.
 
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