The New Tone Thread

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Spent the weekend trying out some guitars and amps, looking for tones for a couple of songs I was flushing out.

Here's a couple of jams I ended up doing which will evolve into two new songs.
The first already has some arrangement structure. The second is still in the idea phase.
Both clips were done with just a single rhythm guitar track and a lead guitar track.

Jam 01
Reissue Hagstrom Super Swede into a Savage Macht 12X (12W, 6v6)
Rhythm track used the Single Coil split off the neck pickup, Amp was on low gain, about mid volume and mid tone.
Lead track used the neck humbucker, Amp was on lo gain, about 3/4 volume and mid tone.

Jam 02
Vintage Swede into a Tungsten Creme Cortez (like a 5E3 amp, but a bit smoother)
Rhythm and lead used the neck pup, with pretty much the same amp settings, just a bit more volume on the lead.

The second one has some weirdness going on with the backing rhythm. Did you copy/pan/shift on us? :D

I think they both sound pretty good for what you're using them for. A little dark for me, but not bad.
 
Here's The Vibrators "Keep It Clean" through my Axe FX II



Criticism / comments welcome.

Fender strat lead pup on 9.
Plexi Treble bright cap clipped.
Bass -0 , Mid, Treble, Presence all 10
2 ea 4x12 (basketweave G12M25 and G12M20 - redwirez)
sm 57 and R121 mics

From the Axe FX Wiki:

8.Cliff (about the Plexi model in the Standard/Ultra): "One of the first mods people make to real 'Plexi' Marshalls is to "clip the bright cap". The bright cap varied over the years, supposedly depending on what was lying around in the shop. The model defaults to the bright cap in the circuit. If you turn off Bright you're effectively clipping the bright cap. The bright cap in Marshalls can be very bright and harsh. However, if you crank the Master you might find the extra brightness helps compensate for the power amp getting darker."

9.Cliff (about the fizzyness of the Plexi model): "It's the way a Plexi is supposed to sound. That's due to the cathode follower. That raspiness helps it cut through in a mix. I own three of them and they are that fizzy"

Not bad. It does sound plexi-ish. That fizz is natural to real plexis. I always called it a "rubbery" sound. It reminds me of squeaky rubber gloves or something. Lol.
 
Hey there Home Recorders, long time, no see. Work got incredibly busy so I had to put the fun off for a while but I have returend with a new toy.

I have a new guitar that sadly i haven't put alot of time into but today i got to sit and play with it. And so far i like what i am hearing. It's my first real Gibson!! A Les Paul Jr with P90's in both the neck and bridge position. Nice Cherry Red Finish. I'll attach a picture!!! Straight from the plant to my hands. Pretty impressive. It is a newer one, so no real vintage qualities to it but for a starter Gibson I really have no complaints.

Anyways here is how it sounds so far. I think it needs just a minor set-up. The Intonation seems to be just a little bit out to my ears?

Here is a quick clip of Social Distortions "Through These Eyes" (With P90's how could I not pick a Social Distortion song!)



Please let me know what you think. I hear a bit of fizz in it now that i play it back to myself.

I think it sounds pretty good. Good song too. :D

I don't think it's boomy. Maybe a little thick in the low mids, but not bad. Cool guitar.
 
Savage Macht sounded very good ..... didn't care for the Cortez ..... it had that 'notes die away a little quick' thing going on and I hate that particular quality.
The Macht sounded very nice though.

Thanks.

The Cortez wasn't being pushed, otherwise it can sustain more than that.
I'm still trying to decide what I want to do with the second song idea, and will probably try a couple of other amps with it, but I liked the Cortez in the room, but when I get other tracks done, then the mix will decide what I use and final tones.

The second jam was done on the spur of the moment. I was finished with the first, and switched amps and started just messing around...so not much time was spent on dilaing in.


The second one has some weirdness going on with the backing rhythm. Did you copy/pan/shift on us? :D

I think they both sound pretty good for what you're using them for. A little dark for me, but not bad.


Thanks.

I was trying out two mics when I did these jams.
In the first clip, I just used one of the two mics for rhythm and for lead, but when I did the second clip, it was getting late, and I liked both mics, so instead of picking one for each rhythm and lead tracks at that point...I used all four mic tracks.
So there are two mics on rhythm, and for the hell of it, I panned them apart L/R , and then with the lead I also panned them apart, but not as wide as the two rhythm mics. So no, it's not a copy/pan/shift...:)...and it won't stay like that when I do the tracks for the actual song....I'll just use one mic for each.

I rarely double mic guitars for actual recording purposes...I was just trying out two different mics to see which I liked better.
One is a Fat Head ribbon, and the other an AKG D1000E. The Fat Head has more low end, and brighter top end (which is unusual for a ribbon)....while the D1000 is more even/flatter sounding, and in some instances, smoother.

Oh, and I rolled off the highs a bit as they felt a bit edgy, but again, when I get to the production, I'll dial in final tones then.
 
It kind of has that seashell out of phase kind of sound, so I figured there was something going on. :D
 
It kind of has that seashell out of phase kind of sound, so I figured there was something going on. :D

Yeah, I agree, it has a bit of "swish" going on...the two mics were not the exact same distance from the cab...maybe about 4-5" difference, so just enough give it some of that.

I'm going to put up that same clip using only one of the mics each for rhythm and lead.
It was like 1:30AM when I was wrapping that clip up, and I just didn't feel like auditioning mic tracks. :D

I'll also be doing some overdriven tones soon...so I'll see how that goes. I don't have a true "plexi" amp, but I can get close to it with a couple. I think I can get there with my Rivera Chubster 40.
Been checking out some of the Mojave amps....they have a few models that can do that driven crunch sound really good....but I'm finding that what I really want to get next is a super clean amp. I can get pretty clean with a couple of mine...but not 100%.
 
Jam 01
Reissue Hagstrom Super Swede into a Savage Macht 12X (12W, 6v6)
Rhythm track used the Single Coil split off the neck pickup, Amp was on low gain, about mid volume and mid tone.
Lead track used the neck humbucker, Amp was on lo gain, about 3/4 volume and mid tone.

Hi Miro,
I like the lead guitar on jam 1, those crunchy type lead tones are among my favorite!\
Thanks for posting it up!
 
Cool tones Miro, they do have a little of that phasey sound, but still sound pretty good. I'd like to hear those amps with more od/gain on 'em myself, just to hear what they sound like pushed......
 
I can do some dirven tones on them.
I was shooting for minimal breakup when I did these.

Yeah...on that second jam, I'll post it again using just one each of the mic tracks instead of two mics/track...I was being lazy.
 
The Cortez wasn't being pushed, otherwise it can sustain more than that.
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actually it's not being pushed that I'm talking about.
One of my personal requirements is for an amp to have long sustain while pristine clean and not being pushed even a little bit.
An amp that notes dies out on in that situation is one I don't like and it's a very specific sound that I immediately recognize ..... the way notes die out at the end. That Cortez has that sound ...... don't like it and couldn't live with it.
The Macht, OTOH , doesn't have that sound which makes it one I could like.
 
That's interesting...
Put up some more notes and open chords, Miro, let's hear this.
 
One of my personal requirements is for an amp to have long sustain while pristine clean and not being pushed even a little bit.

I know what you mean.
I'll have to compare them side by side though. I think the Cortez actually has pretty good resonance and sustain in the room...of course, they are different cabs and different speakers, though both are 6V6 amps. The Cortez is smaller and more lightweight cab with a Celestion Gold....while the Mach12X cab is thicker wood, wider, and heavier...with a WGS Reaper.

It may just be how I recorded the Cortez VS the Macht12X.
I was using my Langevin DVC preamp, which also has some EQ and a limiter section. I ran it through the limiter for about 4-6dB reduction, as I wanted a bit more of the plucky attack on the notes...so that could be why the notes don't ring out as much as how I hear them in the room.

When I do some OD tones....I'll also redo some cleaner tones with just the amp and nothing else in the chain except mic and pre, thought it ain't much for real clean tones. For me, the Cortez really shines when it's pushed hard. At that point, you can hang a chord, order some take-out, and it will still be going when you hang up the phone.
It does that Neil Young "Rust Never Sleeps Thing" and then some....


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Here are some Cortez clips on their website done by Greg V. You can get a really good idea of what the amp can do.
Both the Cortez and the Crema Wheat are quite good, and get a lot of raves.

http://www.tungstenamp.com/clips.htm

My amp started out as the basic Cortez....but then I had the builder do some mods, and finally at one point he asked me if I wanted him to just complete some other mods and turn the Cortez into his full "Crema Wheat" amp spec...which gives the amp a bit more headroom, and smoothness over the basic Cortez.
It's pretty much the same amp, but has better trannies (Mercury Mag) and I think he changed a couple of other small components, if I recall, though he left off just one minor change from taking it to 100% "Crema Wheat".
I had him do a mod originally that made the Normal channel more humbucker friendly...and if he did the full "Crema Wheat" conversion...he would have undone that, which I didn't want.
So that's why I call mine a "Creme Cortez"...it's kinda' both amps at once. :)
 
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Man, I can't remember if it was this thread or another one, but I was getting ready to submit a message that basically said, "My Jackson Custom Soloist looks period-specific and is aesthetically-dated, but it still plays and sounds killer (especially on solos)." But then I got this little ban message that popped up because I said something about Guitaristic's mom. Lol, what has HR come to? :facepalm:

Anyway, finally glad to post that about the Jackson. It is a good, well-made instrument, but I wouldn't really feel comfortable playing it live in a jazz band or anything. Or any other non-hair metal band, for that matter. :)
 
Man, I can't remember if it was this thread or another one, but I was getting ready to submit a message that basically said, "My Jackson Custom Soloist looks period-specific and is aesthetically-dated, but it still plays and sounds killer (especially on solos)." But then I got this little ban message that popped up because I said something about Guitaristic's mom. Lol, what has HR come to? :facepalm:

Anyway, finally glad to post that about the Jackson. It is a good, well-made instrument, but I wouldn't really feel comfortable playing it live in a jazz band or anything. Or any other non-hair metal band, for that matter. :)

Lol. That's one thing I really like about SG's and LP's - they never look dated and will work in just about any genre.
 
Lol. That's one thing I really like about SG's and LP's - they never look dated and will work in just about any genre.

Amen. The Jackson is a studio guitar now. At least until that next big resurgence of hair metal takes the arenas around the world by storm again and I break out my leather pants and dive back into the scene. :)
 
Also, any of you guys members at Gearslutz? I've been posting a little over there and kind of like it. A LOT of members, though, so it's hard to remember who everyone is.
 
I'm a member there, I was kind of hoping to learn what I'm doing here, and then go over there when I look smarter.

Nice guitar, I love guitars and the tones they produce.
 
I was kind of hoping to learn what I'm doing here, and then go over there when I look smarter.


You need attitude more than smarts at GS. :D

;)

There are smart/experienced guys over there who do the studio thing on a pro/commercial level...but also a lot of extreme gear attitudes at times.

I've been a member there for a long time, but I was always hanging out on other forums, so I only popped in there to check opinions about some gear or some technique...and I always bring salt. :)
There sometimes heated battles over gear choices....but generally, if the majority feels positive/negative about a piece of gear, then you can be sure it's pretty spot on. Sometimes though...if it's some "pro-sumer" item, most will dismiss it out of hand.

It was there that I first heard of the Overstayer comps about a year or two ago, and based on the global GS raves, I decided to pick one up....and now I have all three models of Overstayer comps.
So it's a good place to check out opinons...certainly much more so than Harmony Central.

The absolute upper level of audio pros are over on PSW. I'm talking about major studio names who are actively involved in the biz, not just smarter guys....but even that place has changed a lot from its early days...so it's no better/worse than other audio forums.
 
Gearslutz is probably the last major internet forum in which I'm not universally hated or banned. :laughings:
 
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