Unopened Sticky and Non-sticky tapes wanted for research at the Library of Congress

[Tim Gillett]

Not sure what "jag off" replies anyone made...other than Tim coming in and calling some people "idiots"...which certainly set a very "friendly" tone right off.

I called you an idiot because you behaved like one towards a genuine enquirer. Lt. Bob, bdenton and now Sweetbeats joined me in criticising your, and Beck's irrational and inhospitable responses to the genuine OP, who could probably outrank all of us any day of the week.

Notice that Beck seems to be conveniently laying low at present. After the dust has settled he'll be back to his old tricks again.
Beck's allegation that the OP, a research scientist with the Library of Congress "stole" Beck's SSS tape list is outrageous. But for that deliberate and self serving lie will Beck be brought to heel by you or any other moderator on this forum?
No, apparently Beck's untouchable. Why? Because they know that once anyone dares bring him to heel, they'll get Beck's bullying tactics full on. I know. I did.

 

[miroslav]

I called you an idiot because you behaved like one towards a genuine enquirer. Lt. Bob, bdenton and now Sweetbeats joined me in criticising your, and Beck's irrational and inhospitable responses to the genuine OP, who could probably outrank all of us any day of the week.

Notice that Beck seems to be conveniently laying low at present. After the dust has settled he'll be back to his old tricks again.
Beck's allegation that the OP, a research scientist with the Library of Congress "stole" Beck's SSS tape list is outrageous. But for that deliberate and self serving lie will Beck be brought to heel by you or any other moderator on this forum?
No, apparently Beck's untouchable. Why? Because they know that once anyone dares bring him to heel, they'll get Beck's bullying tactics full on. I know. I did.

Sounds to me like you have some serious delusions about some things...and whatever you think exists between you and Beck, don't pull me into it.

There was nothing in the OP's first post that provided any clear info on who he was exactly, just that he was a "scientist with the LOC"...and that is why he initlaly got the skeptical responses.
There are a bunch of guys here who run audio/music businesses...and even though they have forum handles, they also post info about who they are, their real names, and what their business are, including links to their websites and contact info for their businesses, so that everyone is clear where they are coming from and so they are not seen as "lurking spammers".

The fact that you spent time Googling in order to search out the info, only proves that you didn't take it at face value either.

Having a certain degree of skepticism toward anyone who doesn't post explicit contact info but at the same time claims he is affiliated with a biz or a major gov org....has nothing to do with being "irrational" or "inhospitable".

AFA as "bullying"... and since you are bringing up history between you and Beck...
I can recall a couple of recent threads where you certainly pissed off a lot of the Analog Only crowd with your endless myopic views about analog only recording...so please get off the cross now.

When the OP came back to make his second post...I explained to him why the initial skepticism, and said it was nothing personal and good luck with his study...and then the thread was chilled out at that point, but your endless returns into the thread to continue to stir the pot and try to start some kind of pissing match is very reminiscent of what you did in those recent Analog Only threads.
Seems like every time you pop into an Analog Only thread...you're only looking to stir something up....???
Well...enjoy yourself then. The analog only crowd really appreciates it.

If the OP comes back...I will again suggest he post clear POC info and what/where he wants the tapes sent...which he should have done in the first post, and then people wouldn't have been as skeptical or used up 40 posts discussing it.

 

[Chilljam]

Sounds to me like you have some serious delusions about some things...and whatever you think exists between you and Beck, don't pull me into it.

There was nothing in the OP's first post (and first time on this forum) that provided any credibility info on who he was exactly, just that he was a "scientist with the LOC"...and that is why he initlaly got the skeptical responses.
There are a bunch of guys here who run audio/music businesses...and even though they have forum handles, they also post info about who they are, their real names, and what their business are, including links to their websites and contact info for their businesses, so that everyone is clear where they are coming from and so they are not seen as "lurking spammers".

The fact that you spent time Googling in order to search out the info, only proves that you didn't take it at face value either.

Having a certain degree of skepticism toward anyone who doesn't post explicit contact info but at the same time claims he is affiliated with a biz or a major gov org....has nothing to do with being "irrational" or "inhospitable".

AFA as "bullying"... and since you are bringing up history between you and Beck...
I can recall a couple of recent threads where you certainly pissed off a lot of the Analog Only crowd with your endless myopic views about analog only recording...so please get off the cross now.

When the OP came back to make his second post...I explained to him why the initial skepticism, and said it was nothing personal and good luck with his study...and then the thread was chilled out at that point, but your endless returns into the thread to continue to stir the pot and try to start some kind of pissing match is very reminiscent of what you did in those recent Analog Only threads.
Seems like every time you pop into an Analog Only thread...you're only looking to stir something up....???
Well...enjoy yourself then. The analog only crowd really appreciates it.

If the OP comes back...I will again suggest he post clear POC info and what/where he wants the tapes sent...which he should have done in the first post, and then people wouldn't have been as skeptical or used up 40 posts discussing it.

Totally agree with Miroslav on this one. You can't blame anyone for being a skeptic... and no one was rude to the OP from what I can see. Only harshness was Tim Gillett calling the moderator an idiot - totally uncalled for. Tim has a great knowledge base in analog and digital recording and most of his posts are informative and helpful to this forum but I personally would have suspended his account for a week or two just to cool off, he has been slightly disrespectful on too many occasions recently.

Tim, from what I have seen you do seem to have more knowledge on some topics than Miroslav but calling him an idiot? That's like him calling you an asshole because you corrected some of his mistakes and/or misinterpretations.

 

[Beck]

I called you an idiot because you behaved like one towards a genuine enquirer. Lt. Bob, bdenton and now Sweetbeats joined me in criticising your, and Beck's irrational and inhospitable responses to the genuine OP, who could probably outrank all of us any day of the week.

Notice that Beck seems to be conveniently laying low at present. After the dust has settled he'll be back to his old tricks again.
Beck's allegation that the OP, a research scientist with the Library of Congress "stole" Beck's SSS tape list is outrageous. But for that deliberate and self serving lie will Beck be brought to heel by you or any other moderator on this forum?
No, apparently Beck's untouchable. Why? Because they know that once anyone dares bring him to heel, they'll get Beck's bullying tactics full on. I know. I did.

Gillett, what are you rattling on about now? You're the classic troll in this forum and you have been since the day you joined. You're also a classic bully... elbowing your way into threads with some of the most outlandish misconceptions about any area of recording I've ever seen... and then you cry foul when someone calls you on it. And that nonsense mentioned about you having good background, and even could teach a thing or two to miroslav. What the hell? Gillett, you staggered in here off the street a few years ago knowing little of nothing. You've learned about all you know on web forums, but your comprehension is poor so you've got the simplest concepts twisted around into unrecognizable. I saw you join the group, I watched your progress and your almost uncanny ability to take the wrong side, and call what is good, evil and what is evil, good. Nothing happens in secret during these discussions. I sat here and watched you do it… as you sculpted your online character.

So I was "conveniently laying low" LOL Has it ever dawned on you that I can't schedule my daily affairs around web forums and I'll get back to a discussion if and when I can or feel I have something helpful to add?

And yes my list the OP used was nearly Verbatim to the list I wrote out on my kitchen table several years ago. But he had it disorganized and didn't do any one any favors by randomly mixing good tapes with those prone to sticky-shed -syndrome. Tim G! For the last time you're way out of your league trying to keep up with us here. You're like the kid that no matter how many times he takes 3rd grade elementary school over again he just can't pass. So what does he do? The only thing he can do... do his best to dumb down the world to fit his intellectual height. And there you have it... the core of the conflict trying to reason with you on about any topic that comes up. You don’t understand basic concepts; you don’t speak the technical language, yet you want to join in on topics that require some minimal broad understanding of which you do not posses.

I’ve tried to approach you privately and nicely in the past when you first joined, but to no avail. You’re too regular to be a simple troll, but your behavior is classic trolling tactics. Why settle for that when your <That close> to start asking questions instead of fancying yourself as a teacher. Then maybe you could really learn something and be a productive member of the forum.

When you joined there were a couple regular troublemakers. You lack discernment and you are gullible, TIM G. You came in looked around and took the wrong side. Now those fools are gone and left you holding the bag for years now. You still don’t understand the forum or the people in it. If anyone needed to just back away from a social network and have a do-over from the beginning, it’s you, Tim G. You’re lost man.

 

[Tim Gillett]

Totally agree with Miroslav on this one. You can't blame anyone for being a skeptic... and no one was rude to the OP from what I can see. Only harshness was Tim Gillett calling the moderator an idiot - totally uncalled for. Tim has a great knowledge base in analog and digital recording and most of his posts are informative and helpful to this forum but I personally would have suspended his account for a week or two just to cool off, he has been slightly disrespectful on too many occasions recently.

Tim, from what I have seen you do seem to have more knowledge on some topics than Miroslav but calling him an idiot? That's like him calling you an asshole because you corrected some of his mistakes and/or misinterpretations.

Chilljam, they were wrong in their skepticism. Plain wrong. The OP is genuine if ever anyone was genuine. Those are the facts. Am I being punished for having been right about the OP, a preservation/ conservation research scientist with the Library of Congress? Is that my crime?

Or is it right to support two long time posters here, one a Moderator, even when the facts have proven them wrong. What sort of a stand is that?

A Moderator has a position of extra responsibility. He must be less inclined to express his personal opinions or jump to hasty conclusions. His role is to enforce the rules of the Forum, before his own opinions.
In this case if he was so convinced the OP was scamming, why allow the OP's post to stand at all? He could easily have deleted it, along with all the other spam and scams he says he gets, and the thread would never have endured. So why else let the thread continue? Did he allow the thread to stand because he was trying to make an example of the OP, to shame him? If so, guess who was embarrased in the end? Guess who got egg on their face? Not the OP, that's for sure.


Further, apart from me, three other people questioned the Moderator's wisdom in the way he treated the OP in this thread. One of them, a long time participant here, also challenged Beck's general attitude directly, and in strong terms. Are we to pretend none of that happened and that it was only me who had problems with the treatment shown to the OP? There are four of us, not one.

Thanks for your compliments on my knowledge of digital and analog audio. But in saying that, be aware that you are now seriously at odds with what Beck has just said about my knowledge in his above post.

I encourage you to read Beck's tirade carefully and in its entirety. Are you and Beck talking about the same person? If so, who is correct? Beck or you? One of you is lying bigtime. Your dispute about my knowledge base is with Beck. I leave the two of you to fight it out. Good luck. You'll need it.



On a more positive note, I'm glad to report that this forum seems not as feral as it was 7 or so years ago when I joined. But then I dont come here as often as I did then. Anyway I take it as a sign of hope. Perhaps I'm not skeptical enough...

Best wishes,

Tim

 

[Tim Gillett]

The fact that you spent time Googling in order to search out the info, only proves that you didn't take it at face value either.

I happily took the OP at face value. You didnt.

I could not understand why you didnt take him at face value. I was skeptical of your skepticism. So I checked out his bona fides. Only took me a couple of minutes.

My skepticism was proven correct. Your skepticism was proven false.

It seems an admission or an apology to the forum members is not in your lexicon. Pity.

 

[Tim Gillett]

Gillett, what are you rattling on about now? You're the classic troll in this forum and you have been since the day you joined. You're also a classic bully... elbowing your way into threads with some of the most outlandish misconceptions about any area of recording I've ever seen... and then you cry foul when someone calls you on it. And that nonsense mentioned about you having good background, and even could teach a thing or two to miroslav. What the hell? Gillett, you staggered in here off the street a few years ago knowing little of nothing. You've learned about all you know on web forums, but your comprehension is poor so you've got the simplest concepts twisted around into unrecognizable. I saw you join the group, I watched your progress and your almost uncanny ability to take the wrong side, and call what is good, evil and what is evil, good. Nothing happens in secret during these discussions. I sat here and watched you do it… as you sculpted your online character.

So I was "conveniently laying low" LOL Has it ever dawned on you that I can't schedule my daily affairs around web forums and I'll get back to a discussion if and when I can or feel I have something helpful to add?

And yes my list the OP used was nearly Verbatim to the list I wrote out on my kitchen table several years ago. But he had it disorganized and didn't do any one any favors by randomly mixing good tapes with those prone to sticky-shed -syndrome. Tim G! For the last time you're way out of your league trying to keep up with us here. You're like the kid that no matter how many times he takes 3rd grade elementary school over again he just can't pass. So what does he do? The only thing he can do... do his best to dumb down the world to fit his intellectual height. And there you have it... the core of the conflict trying to reason with you on about any topic that comes up. You don’t understand basic concepts; you don’t speak the technical language, yet you want to join in on topics that require some minimal broad understanding of which you do not posses.

I’ve tried to approach you privately and nicely in the past when you first joined, but to no avail. You’re too regular to be a simple troll, but your behavior is classic trolling tactics. Why settle for that when your <That close> to start asking questions instead of fancying yourself as a teacher. Then maybe you could really learn something and be a productive member of the forum.

When you joined there were a couple regular troublemakers. You lack discernment and you are gullible, TIM G. You came in looked around and took the wrong side. Now those fools are gone and left you holding the bag for years now. You still don’t understand the forum or the people in it. If anyone needed to just back away from a social network and have a do-over from the beginning, it’s you, Tim G. You’re lost man.

Tharrrr sheee blowwws! What a performance! Never disappoints. Never.

 

[Chilljam]

Am I being punished for having been right about the OP, a preservation/ conservation research scientist with the Library of Congress? Is that is my crime?

No, no crime there. I was referring to your disrespectful personal attacks towards other posters in this thread and other recent threads is what deserves 'punishment'.

I was going to post responses to each paragraph of your post but to save time for me (and everyone else) I will just say that you are really pushing forward this 'us vs them' way of thinking amongst other members here. I made a subjective remark that I consider you to be very knowledgeable in this field and I wasn't lying. I'm pretty sure Beck wasn't lying either when he said he doesn't feel the same way. Neither of us are 'lying bigtime'. I don't need to fight it out with Beck. The point I was making wasn't that we all need to have the same beliefs and knowledge base.

I still firmly believe that you are 'stirring the pot' as Miroslav has said. What did Miroslav actually say regarding the legitimacy of the OP? The last line of post #17 is Miroslav's first mention of a scam and it says

"And Beck beat me to it...the whole thing looks like a scam...."

Then very soon after (before anybody else has a chance to post anything) he says in post #18

"To be fair to the OP...I did check his IP address, and it does appear to be from the Library of Congress/US Gov...but that doesn't necessarily prove that this is a legit study/request by the LOC."

The following post you stated that you did further checks and the OP appears to be legitimate. That was all fine, then somehow it evolved into this. (Note that this is about 20 posts later)

post #38 - "There is absolutely no excuse for anyone to treat [the OP] the way some here treated him. That's just a matter of common courtesy." bdenton

Ignoring Chronicles posts (They should be deleted), only Beck believed it was a scam and Miroslav was skeptical for a very short time (Miroslav never declared it a scam, only that it 'might be'). Becks' first post was dismissively abrupt and not a polite tone - but I believe it was a legitimate claim at the time given the circumstances. We get posts that look and claim similar to the OP on this forum every other week by first time posters and definitely most of them are complete scams... a lot of people don't see them because the moderators (for example Miroslav) delete them pretty quickly.

Sorry for the length of the post, from here I'll try to only post on this thread if someone genuinely questions or disagrees directly with what I have said. I don't want to encourage any more long-winding OT discussions.

 

[bdenton]

In case some of you missed it, this thread was started by Mr. Breitung's very first post on this forum. And given his avocation, I doubt that he spends much time on "recording" forums, and given his reception here, I doubt he will be doing so in the future.

Pure conjecture on my part, but I imagine that, like most of us would do who weren't really familiar with a subject, he Googled something like "recording tape" and we popped up.

Note that this forum is HomeRecording.org, not "Heavy-DutyRecordingProfessionals". And given Mr. Breitung's field of specialty, he might well have assumed that his credentials would be meaningless to most of us (and given the lack of couth shown here I would not be surprised). Or like many highly credentialed people, he simply left them out in order to avoid sounding like he was bragging.

Since it was Mr. Breitung's very first post on this forum, and since it is HomeRecording.org, did it occur to anyone that, horrors!, he simply might not know that it was necessary to post a list of his 20 Grammy awards along with his 100 platinum albums in order to avoid being labelled a spammer.

And possibly the worst part of this thread is how some of you are so clueless that you are unable to recognize how rudely Mr. Breitung was treated here. Where were you raised, in a barn?

Personally, I think it's time for the owners of this board to dole out some hefty suspensions, including to some of the moderators here...

 

[Lt. Bob]

wow ...... did I wander into the mic forum by mistake?




The OP is in the biz sorta so i'm thinking he's probably familiar with how forums work ........ he's not here to be anyone's buddy or be a long time future forum member.
He has a project and he's looking for sources to get needed materials for that project. I would bet he's put in similar requests at every conceivable place that might help him get the things he needs.
I'm gonna guess that his interest in the thread isn't all that great other than to see if there's sealed tapes to be had and he didn't seem upset at all when he came back and explained himself. He even said he understood why someone might not think it was legit.

And some of this fighting seems to be previous altercations ya'll have had that don't even have anything to do with the OP.

So everybody calm down ...... or let me get some popcorn if you're gonna keep it up.

 

[Tim Gillett]

Lt. Bob, wanna stick around for my Al Jolson impression? It's really good!

Appreciate your fun comments. Regards Tim

 

[skywaveTDR]

Sticky tape

Since a few months ago, it was released on another Forum known as Tapeheads.net that the sticky tape problem has a permanent solution for repairing what has evaporated or decayed so that it is not doing it's job to allow tapes to be played. I am sure that like the radio station I worked at a couple of years ago that has a building full of archive tapes, that many are sticky due to poor storage procedures but also that there is no way to stop it as the problem is formulated into the tape chemistry. The baking is not energy efficient and results in a limited if not a very temporary solution to that condition, that a better solution could be found. I am working on making that solution but in the mean time a product exists that is available at the local auto supply known as Nu Finish. I have experimented enough to know that I have taken known squealing 3M 806 reels (10.5"- 2500 foot) and processed them with the Nu Finish procedure. Then cleaned the residue off and found that the tape previously not able to be played on a good machine then played all the way through the entire tape without an issue. I am not a Chemist but a EE so I can not tell you what chemical changes have taken place but I do know that my idea that one day there will be a resolution to the sticky tape will come forth and all the reels that people put in the garbage could have been saved. This is exactly why I saved these reels of tape that may have been trashed 3-4 years ago. They are all working well now.
The solution I intend to make is an apply and rewind solution rather than the apply, clean and then use procedure. You see Nu Finish is made for cars finishes and these become oxidized. These need a abrasive known as spherical ceramic that for the Tape use is not needed and this is what needs to be cleaned off.
What is my association with tape? I have worked in the Electronics repair business specifically tape deck machines for 40 years and have worked for companies such as Teac and Sony. I continue to do business in repair.

 

[sweetbeats]

I called you an idiot because you behaved like one towards a genuine enquirer. Lt. Bob, bdenton and now Sweetbeats joined me in criticising your, and Beck's irrational and inhospitable responses to the genuine OP, who could probably outrank all of us any day of the week.

No thanks.

I didn't "join" you.

That's why I didn't name any names.

Your posts are part of the prattle.

Just want to make it clear I'm not taking sides. I'm disappointed by the tenor of posts on both "sides".

 

[miroslav]

This was my reply in post *31 to the OP's second post...

Thanks for some of the clarification.

You have to understand that Internet forums get hit with tons of spam & scam...so few people will take at face-value someone's legitimacy off of their single post that they make on a first time visit, containing no specific POC info or official details (website links, etc).

So it's nothing personal.

Still not sure how many folks will part with any of their unopened/unused reels just based on someone asking for them...but maybe you can take it one step further and actually post some LOC contact info and address where to send it at the LOC...and at least that will legitimize your request completely for anyone still skeptical.

I think you might get folks to send you *known* SSS tapes that they have already attempted to use and thus discovered the SSS...but again, reels have become expensive and NOS reels almost extinct...so we all tend to cling to what we have.
That said...I'm sure if the LOC offered some kind of reimbursement for tapes sent, people might be more willing to part with some of their stock.

Good luck with your study!

I thought it was cordial enough and removed the inital "sting of skepticism"...and clarified perfectly for the OP why we sometimes have a skeptical view of first-time posters who come asking for some sort of "submission", "contribution", etc...without full/clear disclosure of who/what they are.
Sorry, but "I'm a scientist with the LOC" and nothing more...doesn't provide it.
Yes, we mods delete and ban dozens of spammers per week who come in with similar types of so-called "credible-but-vague" requests, though most of you guys don't see that because it happens within the spammer's first or second post.

I also thought that post #31 cleared the air, and there were even several posts prior to #31... by Beck, Lt Bob and myself that took the discussion back on-topic, with no more real concerns/skepticism.
Why anyone needed to keep coming in AFTER that and trying to re-stir the pot...back into off-topic chatter....I don't know, but it certainly didn't help the OP in any way.

It's not supposed to be a "contest" here to see who can first "prove/discover" a new member's credibility.
If the new member wants to inject a credible request into a forum that he/she just joined...then it's up to the new member to provide ALL the proper contact info/disclosure and whatever other details would remove the cloud of doubt...otherwise, we all have a pretty short fuse with spammers on this BBS...so I think the extreme outcry against the skepticism, by a couple of people here who seemed eager to simply crate a rift...to draw a line between "us and them"....was quite over the top.

If the OP comes back...I will gladly assist him in reposting a new thread for his request...if he provides all the detailed contact info about who/what/where and how much. I don't think that's a lot to ask in this situation based on the intent of his request.
Then we can let this thread die off or close it or whatever....

 

[The Ghost of FM]

... the genuine OP, who could probably outrank all of us any day of the week.

Outrank us?

What does that even mean?

Have we been conscripted into the Kiss Army or something?

Has the the department of homeland security classified iron and ferric oxide as weapons of mass destruction?

Cheers!

 

[Tim Gillett]

I meant that he seems a very capable fellow in his specialised field. Hardly a debatable point I would have thought.

Most people are honoured to be in the presence of someone who has more talent than themselves. For a few others, it is a huge personal threat. We both know to whom I am referring: Mt Vesuvius.

Ghost you've been around these parts a long time. We've always had cordial, intelligent discussions. All the best.

Cheers Tim

 

[The Ghost of FM]

I meant that he seems a very capable fellow in his specialised field. Hardly a debatable point I would have thought.

I don't know if he is or isn't capable in his specialized field. I don't know him at all other then the 2 posts he has made so far. The first, a request for unopened tape "in kind", which I understand as meaning for free. And his second post which he states as being written to "clarify", which didn't really clarify anything in terms of providing contact information which is what was requested by the good membership here.

So perhaps he does work for LoC and is on a mission to catalog SSS tapes. I hardly see how that outranks us. He's a civil servant with a job that wouldn't ordinarily exist in the private sector. In all likelihood in the real world, he might be lucky to be cataloging bags of frozen French fries at the local McDonald's before he puts them in the deep fryer. I don't know.

I do know that you seem very preoccupied in defending this man and that you seem to be the only member here doing so with such fervent conviction.

Cheers!

 

[Tim Gillett]

I don't know if he is or isn't capable in his specialized field. I don't know him at all other then the 2 posts he has made so far. The first, a request for unopened tape "in kind", which I understand as meaning for free. And his second post which he states as being written to "clarify", which didn't really clarify anything in terms of providing contact information which is what was requested by the good membership here.

So perhaps he does work for LoC and is on a mission to catalog SSS tapes. I hardly see how that outranks us. He's a civil servant with a job that wouldn't ordinarily exist in the private sector. In all likelihood in the real world, he might be lucky to be cataloging bags of frozen French fries at the local McDonald's before he puts them in the deep fryer. I don't know.

I do know that you seem very preoccupied in defending this man and that you seem to be the only member here doing so with such fervent conviction.

Cheers!

Ghost, I dont know anything more about the OP than do you. But from the beginning, at least four of us were quite prepared to accept he was genuine, and four of us questioned the way he was treated by two of us on the forum.

I think your understanding of "in kind' is incorrect. Payment "in kind' means payment in lieu of money. I can only guess that in this case it means payment by way of an equivalent unopened box of tape but a non SSS one. If so, not a bad deal I would have thought. Either way, perhaps we should clarify this with the OP rather than tolerate the rumour mill that seems to have taken off here.

If he didnt provide proper contact information then that's his loss. He will not get any tapes!

"perhaps" he is legitimate? To even suggest now that he is not legitimate is clutching at straws. It's too late for that. He is legit and we all know that. Dont go there, Ghost.

I know what it's like myself to have a secure, well paid Public Service job one day and be left with little the next. You dont know me Ghost, but we may have a lot in common, both in our life experience and our political views. Happy to discuss these issues privately.

Best wishes,

Tim

 

[Beck]

We do seem to have an inordinate amount of first-time posters making an entrance, implying some sort of expertise and then Gillett and sometimes one or two other non-analog regulars are suddenly in their corner. Odd, isn’t it? I just think there will always be a sick underbelly of society that gets their kicks by picturing people covered in Nu-Finish or sending perfectly good tapes to the government. I admit I once thought this sort of thing was funny… making prank phone calls and whatnot, but I was around 13 years old.

I’m glad I never disappoint you Tim G. It’s a shame you’re utterly unteachable by your own choosing. You might actually comprehend what I’m saying rather than hear it as so much noise… what any good German Shepard can do. I sing, you howl. I strum, you whine. In another time and place, had you got off on a better foot from the beginning… and not stubbornly clung to the wrong path even though I think it has dawned on you a time or two, you might actually have a higher calling here than chief obstructionist of the analog only forum. You start conflict after conflict and then try to turn it around to play the victim. Poor Tim. Were not buying it. If anyone has ever been drawn into your game they figure it out in short order. No one buys it for long.

And by the way, it's up to the researcher to establish credentials on an anonymous social web site. Until that time a thread like this is rightly seen as just another prank, going by past experience here. Skepticism is the most reasonable initial reaction.

 

[Tim Gillett]

No thanks.

I didn't "join" you.

That's why I didn't name any names.

Your posts are part of the prattle.

Just want to make it clear I'm not taking sides. I'm disappointed by the tenor of posts on both "sides".

Sweetbeats you seem to be touchy about the meaning you or perhaps others might assign to your "joining" me. I meant it in a general and obvious sense that after me, Lt.Bob, then you, then bdenton (or was it the other way around?) all posted, questioning the harsh words said about the OP, not least the false assertion that he was a fake. He wasnt and isnt a fake.

I didnt mean to imply that the four of us had discussed or colluded prior to posting (we didnt) or that by saying similar things to what I said you were somehow signing yourself up for some "tribe" or "side" that I allegedly belonged to.

You're just you. I'm just me. We both, in fact the four of us, just happened to question the behaviour of two of the members here. That's all. Best not to be too "tribe" conscious especially when there is no tribe, at least as far as I'm concerned, to belong to anyway.

So you're not "taking sides". Good. But I wasnt aware that there was an opposing side. Tell me about this "other side". Then I'll be informed and I'll make sure that like you I dont "join" it.

Regards Tim