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It is fine and great to not yell at the top of your lungs, but there is an art to being able to do it. I've been part of the metal community and have been screaming for 9 years. It takes a lot of upkeep to keep your voice in shape without fatiguing yourself, and you have to have good technique to avoid ruining your throat, but it can be done and is admired in the metal community. Melissa Cross has a couple dvds that give some insight into doing it the right way.
So of course you don't have to yell at the top of your lungs all the time, it's best if you don't, but there are ways to do it.
 
Symbiot said:
It is fine and great to not yell at the top of your lungs, but there is an art to being able to do it. I've been part of the metal community and have been screaming for 9 years. It takes a lot of upkeep to keep your voice in shape without fatiguing yourself, and you have to have good technique to avoid ruining your throat, but it can be done and is admired in the metal community. Melissa Cross has a couple dvds that give some insight into doing it the right way.
So of course you don't have to yell at the top of your lungs all the time, it's best if you don't, but there are ways to do it.
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I've been taking lessons through Mark Baxter's personalized video series, and it's been really helpful in terms of both exercises and understanding singing and the voice.

One thing he said to me that sticks out is that it's not really learning how to "play" your voice as you would with a guitar or drums it's like building your own instrument from the ground up.
All in all it's been really helpful physically and mentally.

If anyone stumbles upon this thread in the future with needing help in mind, I recommend checking out Mark. Some great free lessons on his website as well.
 
kidkage said:
I've been taking lessons through Mark Baxter's personalized video series, and it's been really helpful in terms of both exercises and understanding singing and the voice.

If anyone stumbles upon this thread in the future with needing help in mind, I recommend checking out Mark. Some great free lessons on his website as well.
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Cool, is the first set you mentioned free? Can thou givest a link? :D
 
gecko zzed said:
Good singers control their voices. They don't sing at the top of their lungs.
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Well that is often true but there are definately exceptions. Kurt Cobain was an extraordinary singer and his voice has never given me any headaches. Jimi Hendrix might not be the best of singers but listen to his performance of Red House at Woodstock when he sings "Wait a minute something's wrong". I mean some top-of-the-lungs-singing can indeed enhance dynamics.
 
dainbramage said:
Well that is often true but there are definately exceptions. Kurt Cobain was an extraordinary singer and his voice has never given me any headaches. Jimi Hendrix might not be the best of singers but listen to his performance of Red House at Woodstock when he sings "Wait a minute something's wrong". I mean some top-of-the-lungs-singing can indeed enhance dynamics.
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I always felt like if Cobain hadn't killed himself and had lived out his life his vocal chords would have eventually been shot.
 
Hmm, i dont know for sure, but i don´t think Cobain voice was top-of-the-lungs screaming. As far as i see it, he was just using the screaming technique which nowadays is quite popular in emo and stuff. He just did it with more energy and less accuracy than, for example, Jared Leto.

The way i see it is very simple, the more you scream, the more out of control you are, hence the less control you have over other things, like hitting them notes right, and the more prone you are to break your voice into squeals. And of course, you waste your vocal chords.

I can scream the same things Cobain screamed, and i do it with proper technique, at a speaking volume. Maybe juuust a little louder. But it´s no proper "screaming" at all.

It´s just a matter of placing your voice in the right place inside your head. Of course, it´s easier said than done.
 
dainbramage said:
Well that is often true but there are definately exceptions. Kurt Cobain was an extraordinary singer and his voice has never given me any headaches. Jimi Hendrix might not be the best of singers but listen to his performance of Red House at Woodstock when he sings "Wait a minute something's wrong". I mean some top-of-the-lungs-singing can indeed enhance dynamics.
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Neither belted every song out at max voice volume all the time. But yes, I agree that "some top-of-the-lungs-singing can indeed enhance dynamics." The key word is 'some'. Replacing 'some' with 'all' just equals boring.
 
Luckis said:
Hmm, i dont know for sure, but i don´t think Cobain voice was top-of-the-lungs screaming. As far as i see it, he was just using the screaming technique which nowadays is quite popular in emo and stuff. He just did it with more energy and less accuracy than, for example, Jared Leto.

The way i see it is very simple, the more you scream, the more out of control you are, hence the less control you have over other things, like hitting them notes right, and the more prone you are to break your voice into squeals. And of course, you waste your vocal chords.

I can scream the same things Cobain screamed, and i do it with proper technique, at a speaking volume. Maybe juuust a little louder. But it´s no proper "screaming" at all.

It´s just a matter of placing your voice in the right place inside your head. Of course, it´s easier said than done.
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I've always wondered how Jared Leto gets that "screamish" kind of sound he does sometimes. I've always wanted to do that.
 
if you are using your diaphram to sing than you should be able to sing whisper quiet or super loud. I totally agree with Bryan316 vocal lessons are an amazing thing. Most people don't sing properly. I thought I had a pretty short range until I took them. Most of the time at gigs I can't hear myself through the monitors that's when my voice normally goes to sh!t
 
guitaristic said:
I've always wondered how Jared Leto gets that "screamish" kind of sound he does sometimes. I've always wanted to do that.
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In my knowledge, it is not screaming at all. He just redirects his voice to the top of the head, is head-voice with the air very compressed, to give it that rasp sound. Kinda hard to explain in words.

If done well, it kinda bypasses the throat, so you actually never strain it. Takes a lot of control to pitch, but when done right, takes not much physical effort and you can reach very high notes, like he does. If you look at his live videos, he does it while standing straight in the mic and with a very controlled posture. Not out of control at all.
 
I've noticed that higher singing is easier for me than lower singing. but my normal talking voice is pretty low. weird.
 
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