Exporting final mastered mix for CD duplication

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Any advice as to what program to use for creating A Master CD to send out for duplication? I have never had to do this before. I also need to create two hidden bonus tracks on the CD that are not listed as tracks, 60 seconds after the last listed track plays.

Jimmy
 
No jimmy, but I'll watch what the answers are with interest... especially with that hidden track thing...

Are you putting it on the actual last track with 60 seconds of silence (easy) or actually trying to hide the tracks completely unless you play through the last track... (no idea but I've seen it done...)

Cheers
 
Armistice said:
No jimmy, but I'll watch what the answers are with interest... especially with that hidden track thing...

Are you putting it on the actual last track with 60 seconds of silence (easy) or actually trying to hide the tracks completely unless you play through the last track... (no idea but I've seen it done...)

Cheers
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Yes, I am trying to get the two tracks either unlisted and pulled up as maybe track 30 and 31 and played only by selecting them if you know the track number. Of course I have no idea how that would even be possible. Hiding the track completely unless played through the last track is what is most likely the best option. How is the question...
 
I don't claim to be an expert but I don't think a completely hidden track is possible.
 
Murdersgalore said:
I don't claim to be an expert but I don't think a completely hidden track is possible.
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So you thinking just including the two extra tracks in the same file as the last track on the disk is the only way? I am also curious what program to use for actually naming the tracks and burning this thing. Is windows media player enough or should I be purchasing Nero or something to make the CD master?
 
Assuming that all of your tracks are prepared (already in 16bit 44khz format wav) And you are going for the typical track after track with 2 seconds gap in between layout then just about anything should do. As for hiding tracks I would just go with extending the last track to include 5 minutes of silence and then the other two bonus tracks all as one big file. If your tracks aren't prepared or you want more advanced layouts (Songs fading into one another, two part songs separated only by a track count, no gap between tunes here and there) then you will need something like Samplitube. The Mastering guys would probably know better than I do though. Might be better to start a thread there.
 
Murdersgalore said:
Assuming that all of your tracks are prepared (already in 16bit 44khz format wav) And you are going for the typical track after track with 2 seconds gap in between layout then just about anything should do. As for hiding tracks I would just go with extending the last track to include 5 minutes of silence and then the other two bonus tracks all as one big file. If your tracks aren't prepared or you want more advanced layouts (Songs fading into one another, two part songs separated only by a track count, no gap between tunes here and there) then you will need something like Samplitube. The Mastering guys would probably know better than I do though. Might be better to start a thread there.
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Thanks man. That is probably the right place to ask such a question.
 
Geez, I really --- I don't want to ---

If you're not absolutely 100% certain that you're writing a compatible disc and you're absolutely 100% certain on what you're doing with it, you'd be a fool to use the resulting disc as a production master.

No, WMP won't write a compliant disc. Neither will iTunes, neither will a dozen other popular "burning" programs out there. I hear that certain versions of Nero will author a compliant disc "in the background" -- But again, if I can't see and edit a frame-accurate PQ log, it's not a compliant disc (period).

It's not rocket surgery - But it's a very (VERY) precise process where "the rules" are regularly bent but without breaking. And when you're talking about hidden tracks, CD TEXT data and what not, it gets even more precise and the rules need to be flexed even more.

I'm not saying not to go out and get a proper, compliant PQ editor, but it's not something you want to be "experimenting" with on something that's actually going to the plant. Especially these days, when a lot of plants aren't running the same type of QC they were a decade ago.

I've seen non-compliant discs go through - And I've seen bands replacing 2500 CD's, one-by-one, and then paying a small fortune to have them re-wrapped because they sent in an improperly formated master disc. Don't be another one of them... Although if you do, please tell me about it so I can add you to the pool. :eek:
 
Thank you for replying John! I was hoping to get your insight. I realize things like this must really get to you and I appreciate your honesty.

That being said, I have no idea what a frame-accurate PQ log is. I absolutely do not want to bend any rules or cut a corner for sake of a dime. That is why I am asking what is the correct way to send a compatible disc for use as a production master. I sent a link to your website to this band recommending that they have another, master the recording. $700 to me sounded a worthwhile expense. Typical of a band who recorded the project themselves and looked elsewhere to mix it, they are not wanting to further their spending. Their loss. I am however now left with printing the project in a form that will be usable by a pressing plant. I would much rather send the project to you and have it done right. My interest in this is helping out friends and I really do not feel the need to pay the price for them. I however plan to contact you soon for projects of my own that I have a vested interest in doing correctly.

I am willing to purchase the software needed to get this as right as I can if need be. I have not been able to find this information as of yet.

Your input would be greatly appreciated!

Jimmy
 
I hate hidden tracks that are at the end of a long period of silence of the last track - screws my mp3 random mix up :eek: i have seen hidden tracks that are just not listed on the CD and Jacket. but they show up in the track list when you rip it.
 
There is a hidden agenda involved in the hidden track in this case. A legal-ish issue regarding promotion of recorded, though un-copy written material done by members of the band who helped write them. Did that make any sense? lol. I was a member of the band who wrote two songs that this band is using. The other guy who helped write them is unwilling to give his blessing due to a stupid drunk episode between the singer and himself. To make a stupid story less stupid, we are placing the songs he is being stupid about as bonus-unlisted tracks so that he may rest in peace. He was merely the guitar player in the band and the lyrics were written by the singer of the band who recorded the tune. Just trying to not step on his fragile toes. It is pretty silly actually. Typical band drama......
 
That's the great thing about being in a band. It's like having 3 or 4 jealous girlfriends that are all on their periods at the same time. They are all ugly and you can't even fuck em'.
 
Murdersgalore said:
That's the great thing about being in a band. It's like having 3 or 4 jealous girlfriends that are all on their periods at the same time. They are all ugly and you can't even fuck em'.
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LMFAO! Hope none of them want to! Ugh...
 
I've used Wavelab Essentials to put all my songs together on my last effort (click). It will print out the PQ codes like Massive says, but doesn't allow you edit them. My only problem with WLE is their cd driver issue. It seems that they use their own driver library and maybe it's not always current or correct. It doesn't work well with my Plextor drive which kills me. I can burn one CD at a time, but can't do multiple CD's.

But the timelne editing is great and you can use your VST plugs if necessary.

Another program to try is CD Architect.
 
Murdersgalore said:
That's the great thing about being in a band. It's like having 3 or 4 jealous girlfriends that are all on their periods at the same time. They are all ugly and you can't even fuck em'.
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haha - bands lol

who needs em now we got all this home recording equipment!
 
One of these days I'm gonna send one of my mind farts to Massive. "Blood Oath" was a great sounding death metal record.
 
You should probably ask the place you are using to dupe the CDs what they require. They may tell you they need a disc in RED BOOK audio CD standard.
 
Wavelab Essentials to put all my songs together
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I was going to say some sort of DAW (Digital Audio Workstation) such as Cubase, pro tools, logic, sonar, etc. should have the editing tools to do what you need. I have never done the hidden track thing but you could have all of the tracks final mixes in one project. Lay them out in the track listing order you want the cd to play. EXPORT them all one by one. If you want space move the track out from the start point or space it the desired time out from the track you want it hidden on then export it. After exporting you can burn them all to a cd in any order you like. I guess that's what you're asking right???
 
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