A pro-soccer team anthem? A little diddy from the studio.

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A friend of mine came to the studio a few weeks ago with an anthem of sorts for our local pro-soccer team (Real Salt Lake). He thinks he might be able to get this played at the games. I've mixed and mastered this to death, and present it to you, my loyal peers, for further evaluation. Any and all nits are encouraged - this has to be primo.

Thanks for your ears!

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Updated mix.
 
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I found the low end of the guitars very overpowering and the chants a little hard to make out, perhaps because of this....I think it was masking the drums as well possibly

I never knew you were a football fan...this differs quite a bit from my home teams ancient anthem :)
 
I found the low end of the guitars very overpowering and the chants a little hard to make out, perhaps because of this....I think it was masking the drums as well possibly

I never knew you were a football fan...this differs quite a bit from my home teams ancient anthem :)

Thanks, dude.... I'll see if I can find the low-end you're talking about. and ... uhh... I'm about as much of a sports fan as I am a fan of getting my teeth drilled. hehe... It was a friend's song, and I love music, so I helped him out. If it gets some air-play, I'll probably go once so I can hear it.

Oh... This is also for a soccer team. :-O
 
yeah Im listening to it again and I think its more the bass thats maybe too loud and the chanting parts could actually come up....Id also try to fatten that solo part up if possible as its a bit thin sounding...


yeah football thats what I said, dunno what this soccer is :D
 
yeah Im listening to it again and I think its more the bass thats maybe too loud and the chanting parts could actually come up....Id also try to fatten that solo part up if possible as its a bit thin sounding...


yeah football thats what I said, dunno what this soccer is :D

heh.... I spent a couple years in Colombia.. Futból was *insane* there. It was during the copa mundial, too... Them people's crazy about futból. I'll take a listen to the bass, too... Might be a bit heavy. Thanks, Keith.
 
yep, i'm afraid i'm just going to echo the previous reply ... the bass can definitely come down a few dB, and the vocals can come up! the verse vocals sound nice in level but a little shrill/sibilant.
The chanting vox is the important bit!!!

Nice though!

Maybe you can get Americans singing loudly at football games the way the europeans, South Americans etc. do.
 
I'd agree with the previous posts. If this is to be played at a game it will have to be mixed with the vocals much clearer. The words aren't clear to me and I'm listening on phones, people in a noisy stadium wouldn't have a chance of picking it up. Catchy chorus though.
 
In fact to go with the above if you actually stopped the music and just had the chanting for a bit, then maybe the drums coming in and building up the rest of the instruments...why Id shout for RSL ;)
 
I'd agree with the previous posts. If this is to be played at a game it will have to be mixed with the vocals much clearer. The words aren't clear to me and I'm listening on phones, people in a noisy stadium wouldn't have a chance of picking it up. Catchy chorus though.

Thanks for the comment, beatlebum. I've re-mixed it. Have a listen and let me know what ya think about the vocals.

In fact to go with the above if you actually stopped the music and just had the chanting for a bit, then maybe the drums coming in and building up the rest of the instruments...why Id shout for RSL ;)

Thanks, dude. My friend has sent out the message, and has gotten very, very positive feedback. The wheels are turning. New mix posted below, and in first post.

Mix 6
 
sounds much better Jason, I find it a little hard to make out what he's singing on the first line of both verse parts though, may be my cloth ears...the chants etc are much better, I think its very catchy and got that fitba' chant thing going on excellently
 
Yeah definitely right for a soccer stadium. The chants sound a little too thin to me, they could have more of a gang feel about them and they're the ones that should dominate the song, considering what it is for. That's not a mixing problem though, if you only had "thin" voices to work with, there's not much you can do. Fun tune though....:)
 
I imagine that a mix would have to be spot-on to sound decent through the loudspeakers in a large arena. Think of professionally produced songs at sporting events. They never sound good, and that's pro stuff. The arena is just too large and the speakers aren't made for perfect sound reproduction. They're just made to be loud. This mix isn't spot-on to my ears. For one, there's timing problems all over it. The chants are sloppy and thin. Gang vocals need to sound like a gang and be roughly in time. A few shouts with reverb doesn't cut it. But they also need to be decipherable. I have no idea what's being said in this song, and I'm sitting in a treated room in front of studio monitors. How's joe drunk ass supposed to sing along to a mash of unintelligible words? RSL? Is that what it is? We are Way-Oh? I can't really tell. The main vocal line is sot of over-processed sounding. Like it was doubled and shifted. The entire vocal mix needs to be bigger yet cleaner. The guitars and bass sound pretty good. Nothing spectacular but not bad. I think there's some mud in the middle of the stereo field. If you have a distorted rhythm in there, drop it and make the edge gits louder.

The drums are a real problem. They have no body at all. They're flat, dead, and tone-less. You want this to sound big, right? You need big drums. All I hear is faint clicks of attack, and no substance to the drums. The toms should boom, the snare should blast, and the kick should be thumping me until I shit my pants. I'm not getting any of that. I've listened like 10 times now and my undies are clean. If this is supposed to be an anthem, it needs to make me want to kill someone, and I'm not feeling that way at all right now. Like at the end, for example, those toms should be bombastic, but they're not. They should be blowing me away with power. Not even close. It sounds like you just randomly stuck mics next to poorly tuned heads and hit the drums with wet spaghetti noodles. No power, man! This song needs balls, and it's gotta come from the drums. I should feel the kick. As it is now, I'm straining like hell to hear a faint beater click. Same with the snare. Hell, even the overhead tracks sound small and timid. You're a drummer dude, right? Stand up for your drums. Think of all the great rock anthems throughout recorded musical history. Name me one that has wimpy drums. You can't. Don't be one of those guys that treats the drums as an afterthought. Electric guitar may be king, but nothing will ever rock without drums. Re-mix, and even retrack if you have to, but get better drums.
 
Consolation - your drums are blowing me away on my mastered tracks - they definitely fill in a huge part of the arrangement. I've had several compliments on how they improve things...

Back to THIS mix - "RSL" stands out nicely - works well - you got the hook. The tune works but...I found the singing vocals were too "wimpy" - I would prefer something more gruff/rough/mean/tough. I don't have any problems with the mix myself so I think the client should be happy, I have no drum experience so I'll let you work with Greg on that.
 
This mix sounds way better. The drums sound fine to me but I'm not a drummer. I agree with Greg on the clarity issue - I still can't decipher the words on the chant other than "Salt Lake" and "RSL". You could play with the EQ but I'm not sure it is sung clearly enough. I'd say bring down the backing vox on the verse so that the verse words are clearer. The timing issue when the vocals come in on the chant at 2.18 cold be easily fixed in the mix and have a look at what's happening at 2.35 - It sounds as if someone was unsure what the next chord was, I think a vocal line drops out there too.
 
Yeah definitely right for a soccer stadium. The chants sound a little too thin to me, they could have more of a gang feel about them and they're the ones that should dominate the song, considering what it is for. That's not a mixing problem though, if you only had "thin" voices to work with, there's not much you can do. Fun tune though....:)

Thanks for the comment, Joey (and the humor)... Yeah, it was only two people, and the vocals are what they are. We can't change much of that. We tried 10 takes at chants, and 20 takes, and they both felt pretty much the same. It's about as full as it's gonna get.

How's joe drunk ass supposed to sing along to a mash of unintelligible words? RSL? Is that what it is? We are Way-Oh? I can't really tell. The main vocal line is sot of over-processed sounding. Like it was doubled and shifted. The entire vocal mix needs to be bigger yet cleaner. The guitars and bass sound pretty good. Nothing spectacular but not bad. I think there's some mud in the middle of the stereo field. If you have a distorted rhythm in there, drop it and make the edge gits louder.

The lyrics are a mash of English and Spanish words, hence the unintelligibility. For some reason the name of the Salt Lake soccer team is "Real". The lyrics are "woooah.. We are Real - Salt Lake" - the word "real" is Spanish, pronounced "rey-aal" Sucks to make that intelligible, when it's not even in only one language. If it does get to the stadium, the lyrics will be posted on a huge screen, so... They'll know what to sing.

As far as the guits go, you're right. The middle guitars are more distorted. I tried removing them, and the edge completely disappears. I'd have to re-track the guitars (I didn't DI them), and I don't want to take the time to play it myself.... So.. They are what they are.

The drums are a real problem. They have no body at all. They're flat, dead, and tone-less. You want this to sound big, right? You need big drums. All I hear is faint clicks of attack, and no substance to the drums. The toms should boom, the snare should blast, and the kick should be thumping me until I shit my pants. I'm not getting any of that. I've listened like 10 times now and my undies are clean. If this is supposed to be an anthem, it needs to make me want to kill someone, and I'm not feeling that way at all right now. Like at the end, for example, those toms should be bombastic, but they're not. They should be blowing me away with power. Not even close. It sounds like you just randomly stuck mics next to poorly tuned heads and hit the drums with wet spaghetti noodles. No power, man! This song needs balls, and it's gotta come from the drums. I should feel the kick. As it is now, I'm straining like hell to hear a faint beater click. Same with the snare. Hell, even the overhead tracks sound small and timid. You're a drummer dude, right? Stand up for your drums. Think of all the great rock anthems throughout recorded musical history. Name me one that has wimpy drums. You can't. Don't be one of those guys that treats the drums as an afterthought. Electric guitar may be king, but nothing will ever rock without drums. Re-mix, and even retrack if you have to, but get better drums.

I hate you. You're always right. I would have never listened to this with ears of a drummer without your righteous slamming. I'm gonna see what I can do about em', because I know they're tracked just fine - but they are quite limp. Thanks for the thrashing. Gotta beef em' up.

Consolation - your drums are blowing me away on my mastered tracks - they definitely fill in a huge part of the arrangement. I've had several compliments on how they improve things...

Back to THIS mix - "RSL" stands out nicely - works well - you got the hook. The tune works but...I found the singing vocals were too "wimpy" - I would prefer something more gruff/rough/mean/tough. I don't have any problems with the mix myself so I think the client should be happy, I have no drum experience so I'll let you work with Greg on that.

Yeah.. Vocals are what they are. Neither one of us are power-house vocalists. The main vocals actually aren't processed at all. They're just double-tracked and slightly panned. Single-tracked sounds even wimpier.

This mix sounds way better. The drums sound fine to me but I'm not a drummer. I agree with Greg on the clarity issue - I still can't decipher the words on the chant other than "Salt Lake" and "RSL". You could play with the EQ but I'm not sure it is sung clearly enough. I'd say bring down the backing vox on the verse so that the verse words are clearer. The timing issue when the vocals come in on the chant at 2.18 cold be easily fixed in the mix and have a look at what's happening at 2.35 - It sounds as if someone was unsure what the next chord was, I think a vocal line drops out there too.

I hear what you're talking about @ 2:35. Not sure what happened... I'll re-visit it... Not much I can do about the lyrics as noted above. Chant entrances and exits are something I've gotta deal with too. Thanks for the comments, guys... Gives me lots to think about and work on. And yes.. I hate you all now. :D
 
As far as the guits go, you're right. The middle guitars are more distorted. I tried removing them, and the edge completely disappears. I'd have to re-track the guitars (I didn't DI them), and I don't want to take the time to play it myself.... So.. They are what they are.



I hate you. You're always right. I would have never listened to this with ears of a drummer without your righteous slamming. I'm gonna see what I can do about em', because I know they're tracked just fine - but they are quite limp. Thanks for the thrashing. Gotta beef em' up.

Lol. I didn't mean to thrash, it just came out that way. I know you're trying to wear the well-rounded producer hat, but like I said, never let anything get in the way of the drums. Don't let the kick get buried and keep the snare clear and present. All modern rock music has big, loud, in-your-face drums. The most important element of a good rock mix is good drums. This is why drummers typically make the best mixes. :D

As for the guitars, try swapping them around. Maybe go wide and loud with the distorted guitars and bring the cleaner ones towards the middle, and down in the mix.
 
Sort of on/off topic, depending on your POV; BTW, I am not at all a fan of any kind of sports...

While not exactly an anthem, more of an encouragement thing, check out "Don't Come Home Too Soon" by Del Amitri.

Totally a beautiful song...
 
haha that was the scottish FA tune...and we came home to soon again, we always beat the postcards :D
 
The most important element of a good rock mix is good drums. This is why drummers typically make the best mixes. :D

Doing my best to keep this true, my friend.

So... I made a new mix, and in doing so, I figured something out. The drum track was buried in this mix for a good reason. It sucks. I can't play fast triplets on a single kick, so I use my double pedal, and I don't have consistent power in using both kicks so slowly. So... I made a new mix from the ground up and it sounds better (at least to my ears), but the drum performance is painfully sloppy. I've got until late February to get this right, so - I will add to this thread as I eventually *WILL* improve my kick speed, re-track the drums using a single triplet beater, and make this song freakin' shine.

Any comments on the new mix? I changed *everything*.

Mix 7
 
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