Do you use amp modeling instead of amp?

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PDP said:
You cant do this with a modeler it will lay a giant egg. Notice Mr Beck never touches a foot pedal. A lost Art.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6T6AQ5yXqc
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What's the deal with the bassist? She looks like she's 12. Seems to be a trend- get a cute girl to play bass behind you, and make darn sure she's well-lit on stage... Yeah, Beck is good, but I like this guy much better (notice they both play without a flat pick):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oNFRWXDSA8

Back on topic, I'm sorta in the middle, somewhere. Most of my playing- rehearsal, stage or recorded- is done through a little Fender Super Champ XD- tube power amp but SS pre and DSP for effects and amp voices/distortion.
 
stevieb said:
Yeah, Beck is good, but I like this guy much better (notice they both play without a flat pick)
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Maybe not a flat pick....but in your clip, he is using a thumb pick.
It's a little different, as it makes picking in both direction easier than if you just used your bare thumb...but both guys are obviously very good.
 
Yes, but notice that they both pluck strings with "un-picked" fingers, too- one of the things that mesmerizes me when I watch Sonny play.

Sorry about the thread hijack.
 
Chili said:
I hate it when the purists speak up and say the amp sims don't sound the same as a real amp......It might not be the same sound, but it can sound good in its own right.
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Having gone mostly DI in my recording life, the guitar tones I did like most were the miked amp ones so I'm more in that vein now. But I frankly can't tell the difference on peoples' stuff, neither do I particularly care. Chili's point about the sims sounding good in their own right reminds me of the development of the synthesizer. For the first few years, synths were more often than not trying to emulate pianos, organs, violins or whatever. Then a generation of keyboardists like Stevie Wonder, Herbie Hancock, Chick Corea, Keith Emmerson, Jan Hammer and others just used it for it's own sounds. And hey nonny no !
 
stevieb said:
Yeah, Beck is good, but I like this guy much betterBack on topic, I'm sorta in the middle, somewhere. .
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My point was not about Jeff Beck, In fact, this guy(Sonny) is exactly what I hate. HE NEVER ONCE touches the volume knob. Its all riffing full blast. In the clip I posted at 1:36 is where the AMP modeler will not work. IMO (the ones I've tried anyway). I could be wrong. My post was intended to comment on the topic.
 
PDP said:
My point was not about Jeff Beck, In fact, this guy(Sonny) is exactly what I hate. HE NEVER ONCE touches the volume knob. Its all riffing full blast. In the clip I posted at 1:36 is where the AMP modeler will not work. IMO (the ones I've tried anyway). I could be wrong. My post was intended to comment on the topic.
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There's nothing in that clip a good sim/modeller won't do.
 
I dont record much guitar since I moved to more electronic stuff but I still play with them a lot at home....

I prefer the software to the standalone ones I own...but thats maybe just because the Pod2, vamp, and zoom, I have are dated

id honestly have a hard time telling what was a real amp and what was one of Amplitudes or Overlouds...they sound great to me

buy Im no connoisseur...

Once Im settled Im going to get a tube amp of some sort...but more just to play with, not really interested in recording it
 
I don't play guitar for shit. :)

From this drummer/keyboardist's view it seems like so much of it comes from the guitarist's fingers and soul that what happens after that could be all sorts of acceptable things.

Could someone explain to me WTF Randy Jacobs is up to? Is it all fingers? I love his tone. (solo starts at 2:30)

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dintymoore said:
it seems like so much of it comes from the guitarist's fingers and soul that what happens after that could be all sorts of acceptable things.

Is it all fingers? ]
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Nice clip, Thanks. I'd say its 90% fingers, good point.
 
I have the Sans amp classic and it's the closest thing to a real amp I've heard.At the end of the day I think it's the context you are using your guitar in that really makes a difference.
 
Chili said:
I use the digitech because I track mostly at night and like to DI into my interface, monitor with headphones. Let's the family sleep.

I hate it when the purists speak up and say the amp sims don't sound the same as a real amp. Probably true, but they are close and they are another tool in your belt. It might not be the same sound, but it can sound good in its own right. Of course, the purists have a right to speak up, I just hate it. :laughings:
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Very true,when electric guitars came out the purists said they sounded horrible,and distortion was a happy accident.
 
PDP, please calm down a little- I am not saying Beck isn't good, only that I dig Landreth, big-time. You may want to know that he has major cache' among a wide swath of world-class, highly respected guitarist. Also, the clip I posted was him playing at an outdoor concert- in your clip of Beck, Beck had the luxury of playing in a near-optimal live setting- something Sonny didn't have. In an outdoor festival, subtilties tend to get lost when attempted, so most performers- even those who understand dynamics and such- just say f-it and play full-bore.

But anyway, it was not my intent to mis-lead this thread, and you no doubt read my apology for the short hijack. Really, no need to get all righteous about it, dude.
 
stevieb said:
. Really, no need to get all righteous about it, dude.
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Silly me, sorry stevie didnt mean to be so harsh. Thanks for the cool headed reply.

I must admit I'm shocked that a modeler can apparently respond to dynamic playing, which has always been my(and others) complaint. I will have to join the ranks of the new technology. Amazing.
 
I almost never touch the volume knob on my git and hardly blast full out all the time.
You can vary the volume a huge amount simply by picking harder or softer.
I mainly use the volume knobs to alter the tone by turning one or the other p'up down a bit while in the middle position but I change volume almost exclusively by picking technique and, in fact, if I have to change volume with the knob then first chance I get I change the amps' volume to get it to where I don't need to turn down at the guitar.
And, in general, I find amps respond to this method better than modelers.
 
Lt. Bob said:
I almost never touch the volume knob on my git and hardly blast full out all the time.

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Then you are not using that much gain, because the guitar will squeal or be very noisy.

Hendrix, Jeff Beck, Pete Townsend, Frank Zappa, Eddie Van Halen all use the volume to control the sustain/sound. All you have to do is watch them.

Using yourself as an example tells me nothing, I have no idea how you sound.
 
PDP said:
Then you are not using that much gain, because the guitar will squeal or be very noisy.

Hendrix, Jeff Beck, Pete Townsend, Frank Zappa, Eddie Van Halen all use the volume to control the sustain/sound. All you have to do is watch them.

Using yourself as an example tells me nothing, I have no idea how you sound.
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I use plenty of gain where appropriate but I use channel switching to go to clean sounds.
Couldn't care less if you're interested in my opinion. I've gigged 5-7 nights a week for 40+ years and plenty of folks around here know that so my opinion's for those that care what I opine.
You're free, of course, to not care at all and insist that your opinion is the only correct one.
The fact that the only thing you could see in the Sonny Landreth vid is that "he didn't touch the volume knob" makes your opinion pretty suspect but hey .... we all are guided by what's important to us and you're entitled to think as you wish.

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