can't record with my studer A80 , help ??

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hi y'all,

1st of all i want to say that i'm a musican, not an enginer , i decided to built my own home studio cause i always been frustrated with studio sound ... i want to make an analog studio (8 tracks)
till now i don't have room enough, so i can have a console, so i have to go throught the computer, my sound card is an M Audio fast track ultra 8R (8in/8out)


i got preamps (universal audio, 7th circle, focusrite) , comp, reverb and mic

here how i patched :

OUT : 1 to 8 : preamp ; 9 to 16 : studer OUT

IN : 1 to 8 : studer IN ; 9 to 16 : M Audio IN

so when i press play on the studer no problem, i can hear what's on tape , if i plug the preamp directly to the IN of the M audio no problem , i can record directly in my DAW without going trought the studer ...
but i can't record with the studer cause i have no signal gettin in the Studer

anybody can help ? do i have to patch diferently ? do i have to plug everything without a patch ?

if anybody have any clue i'll be really thanksfull ...

let me know ... and sorry for my english ...

bye
 
Which Studer? Are you certain all the simple things are correct (tracks are armed, you are monitoring from the playback head when trying to playback, etc.)?
 
it's the studer A80 , 8 tracks 1'
looks like no signal goes in the studer, when the 'Vu Meter' is in position 'record' , nothing moves ... , the selector is on 'ready'
is my patch ok ? do i have to do something on the studer ?
thanx
 
Outputs from your computer have to go to the Studer inputs.

Outputs of the Studer have to go to the computer inputs.

From what you described, you did that backwards.

Cheers! :)
 
ok thanx, will try that
but where the premaps are going to ?
 
thegoonmat said:
ok thanx, will try that
but where the premaps are going to ?
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Outboard pre-amps go to the computer inputs and are then bussed out to the Studer's inputs via the computer's software routing program.

Think of it this way; In the absence of a physical mixing console, your computer takes over that job of collecting signals, mixing them and routing them to where they need to go.

Cheers! :)
 
well, don't really get it, sorry ;-)
my soundcard just got 8 inputs, and the studer got 8 and i have 8 pre's
i don't really see how i have to wire all this ...
i just don't understand why it doesn't work with the pre's OUT pluged in the 'studer' IN ...
new way of thinking for me ;-) sorry if i'm slow ...
 
thegoonmat said:
well, don't really get it, sorry ;-)
my soundcard just got 8 inputs, and the studer got 8 and i have 8 pre's
i don't really see how i have to wire all this ...
i just don't understand why it doesn't work with the pre's OUT pluged in the 'studer' IN ...
new way of thinking for me ;-) sorry if i'm slow ...
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If your computer only has 8 inputs and 8 outputs then you'll need to directly plug the pre-amp outs to the Studer inputs and switch them around from track to track when you want to put a given pre-amp and its instrument or microphone into a different channel of the Studer.

Then the Studer's 8 outs will plug into the computer's 8 inputs and you will mix and monitor through the computer.

The computer's 8 outputs would not be used in this case unless you wanted to take a mix that was made on the computer and put it onto the Studer, which means that the pre-amps would have to be unplugged to facilitate that. Though I would imagine this is not something you would be doing unless you're building up a very complex mix that requires more then 8 parts making up the song you are recording.

Sorry...I thought your computer had 16 in and 16 outs.

The nature of analog signals is always that the output of one device flows into the inputs of the next device. Sorry if you're not used to this idea but that's how analog has always worked.

Cheers! :)
 
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not used to this idea cause i'm new in the 'studio' world ...

well, thanks for your answer ... but so if we go back to my 1st post it how i plugged my studio ...
exept i used a patch and did not plugged the pre amps directly in the studer ... but i thought it's watch the patch would do ...
maybe i should plus the pre's directly in the studer ...
 
thegoonmat said:
hi y'all,

1st of all i want to say that i'm a musican, not an enginer , i decided to built my own home studio cause i always been frustrated with studio sound ... i want to make an analog studio (8 tracks)
till now i don't have room enough, so i can have a console, so i have to go throught the computer, my sound card is an M Audio fast track ultra 8R (8in/8out)
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Oh, I see you are using your computer as a mixer.
Yes, just go mic-preamp-studer-back in to your computer to listen.
Is your computer lines in set up for +4? Make sure you get a ready light and the record selector is set for input on the studer.
 
SteveM said:
Oh, I see you are using your computer as a mixer.
Yes, just go mic-preamp-studer-back in to your computer to listen.
Is your computer lines in set up for +4? Make sure you get a ready light and the record selector is set for input on the studer.
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yes, i don't have room enough to have a analogue console now, so i use the computer for mixing and editing ...
what do you mean by ' the record selector is set for input on the studer' ?

thanx for your help
 
thegoonmat said:
yes, i don't have room enough to have a analogue console now, so i use the computer for mixing and editing ...
what do you mean by ' the record selector is set for input on the studer' ?

thanx for your help
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Scratch that. I'm not familiar with the A80, or how the switches are set up. But I meant your reproduce setting should be on input so you can hear the signal coming in. The record setting on "ready" when you go to record and I know you know already know how to play back.

But I'm not familiar with the labeling or switches on the A80. So this could mean nothing.
 
Yes, outputs of preamps connect to the Studer inputs, Studer outputs connect to computer inputs.

Scratch that. I'm not familiar with the A80, or how the switches are set up. But I meant your reproduce setting should be on input so you can hear the signal coming in. The record setting on "ready" when you go to record and I know you know already know how to play back.

But I'm not familiar with the labeling or switches on the A80. So this could mean nothing.
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Bascially what we are trying to get accross is that generally a tape machine has a way to select what you hear at the output jack of each track; either the signal that is at the input jack (so you can bypass the tape section altogether and just monitor the signals coming into the tape machine), or the material that is on tape...and then when listening to the tape you can listen to the playback from 1 of two heads.

The whole point here is that in order to record something you have to be listening (monitoring) the signal at the input jack since that's what the tape section will listen to also. If you aren't monitoring the input then you can't record it. Does that make sense?

So make sure that you are monitoring the input for the tracks that you want to record onto, and then also you want to "arm" the tracks for recording (enable recording onto those tracks) and somewhere on the machine would be individual switches to set each track into record-ready mode. Then its just a matter of putting the machine into record mode. Then when its time to play back you rewind and monitor the playback head.
 
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