Why computers make bad musicians. Funny.

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Talldog

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Thought you all would enjoy this. A couple time a year I try to record music I've never done before. I put the word out that I will record for free as long as the artist lets me mix alone. They can do what they like with the final mix. Usually it turns out pretty well. So I wanted to do Metal this time. Got a bunch of replies (more like 100) and picked the best one to my ears. Contacted them and the first question they had about analog was "How do you put the verses and chorus together?"

Holy shit! They wrote the song but didn't know how to record them together. Umm, You play them all the way through without mistakes....:spank:
 
Pick another band. There are certain types of metal that kind of rely on computer editing. Trying to do that analog is like trying to do industrial music with an acoustic guitar, piano and a tape recorder.
 
That's amazing. It's no different then recording with 000's & 1111's
 
Talldog said:
Thought you all would enjoy this. A couple time a year I try to record music I've never done before. I put the word out that I will record for free as long as the artist lets me mix alone. They can do what they like with the final mix. Usually it turns out pretty well. So I wanted to do Metal this time. Got a bunch of replies (more like 100) and picked the best one to my ears. Contacted them and the first question they had about analog was "How do you put the verses and chorus together?"

Holy shit! They wrote the song but didn't know how to record them together. Umm, You play them all the way through without mistakes....:spank:
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That's great though that you got 100 replies. What are you using for a deck?
 
Farview said:
Pick another band. There are certain types of metal that kind of rely on computer editing...
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WTF??? Not to get in your face, Fairview, but I think that's BS. EVERYBODY who fancies him or herself a songwriter should know how to string the damn thing together withOUT having to rely on a computer.

That's like "needing" MS Word to write a letter. If you can't do it without a computer, YOU CAN'T DO IT.

I do completely agree with your advice to the OP- he should certainly find another band- those guys are useless. Hell, they are worse than that- they are a liability. Stay away.
 
stevieb said:
WTF??? Not to get in your face, Fairview, but I think that's BS. EVERYBODY who fancies him or herself a songwriter should know how to string the damn thing together withOUT having to rely on a computer.

That's like "needing" MS Word to write a letter. If you can't do it without a computer, YOU CAN'T DO IT.

I do completely agree with your advice to the OP- he should certainly find another band- those guys are useless. Hell, they are worse than that- they are a liability. Stay away.
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Some subgenre's rely on things that cannot be played live and end up coming off the same. Stutter edits would take the rest of your life to do on tape and then spin into the mix. I know that you can do loops and stuff like that with tape, but you need multiple decks and way too much time on your hands to get it done with nothing but tape. The computer is one of the instruments they are playing and it is just as important as the drums, guitars,keys, etc...

Some of that sort of thing was done before computers, but they were done on albums financed by Warner Brothers and the like. Not something someone would volunteer for...

The digital trickery is actually part of the sound. Some younger bands might not know that their style of music really wasn't possible before computers, or at least before midi sequencers.
 
Otari MX 70 16 track deck. Most of the replies were complete crap. Some of it funny in a so bad its good way.
 
It used to be you had to be really good to play metal...

What the hell happened?

-MD
 
themaddog said:
It used to be you had to be really good to play metal...

What the hell happened?

-MD
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Some of 'em still are - Jeff Loomis is a name who springs to mind.

Then again, it used to be you had to be really good to even get a chance to record, so in some way this is just the democratization of the music industry, ad the technology barrier drops...
 
Hey Talldog,
How did your Tascam MS-16 compare with your Otari MX 70?

Just curious, thanks,
-MD
 
moresound said:
HEY themaddog how are the waves down at Nahant this past few days?






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They're relatively calm. Only once did my car get hit by one on the causeway, and that was maybe a year or two ago. How are things in the granite state?

-MD
 
themaddog said:
They're relatively calm. Only once did my car get hit by one on the causeway, and that was maybe a year or two ago. How are things in the granite state?

-MD
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Cold, windy and a lot of rain.....Days like these always make me think of the waves crashing hard on the north side of the Island, which I believe is a state park?






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Farview said:
Some subgenre's rely on things that cannot be played live and end up coming off the same...
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Okay, I can see that. But I feel something is lost. One of the advantages of a piece of SHEET music is, the musician who can, and does, read it and plays it, has the opportunity to play his own arrangement and interpretation- that would be impossible if the "songwriter" can't write it down in standard notation. Now, I know this thread is not about writing music, per se, but I think not being able to perform a song without a computer is headed down the same path.
 
music

Whats easier? writing and performing a great song that people actually want to hear over and over (non family and friends), or getting a cool sounding synth tone or drum machine loop? Its obvious which one is easier. And so, thus ends the great mystery of why there are a million sound masters and very few song masters.
 
hear hear

The Great Cobb said:
Whats easier? writing and performing a great song that people actually want to hear over and over (non family and friends), or getting a cool sounding synth tone or drum machine loop? Its obvious which one is easier. And so, thus ends the great mystery of why there are a million sound masters and very few song masters.
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My girlfriends brothers band is a "harcore" metal band. good kids but very brattish. Pretty good players, but when i recorded them on pro tools they pretty much wanted me to spend hours and hours editing. funny thing was, they couldnt count in time, they couldnt play in time, or sing on cue.

Now ive got a tape machine and they think its the biggest pile of crap ever!
 
metal headz

desmond22 said:
My girlfriends brothers band is a "harcore" metal band. good kids but very brattish. Pretty good players, but when i recorded them on pro tools they pretty much wanted me to spend hours and hours editing. funny thing was, they couldnt count in time, they couldnt play in time, or sing on cue.

Now ive got a tape machine and they think its the biggest pile of crap ever!
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Bratty idiotic know-it-all youth eh? Gonna change the world and show us all that the past was just bullshit eh? Ive seen this human phenomenon before...

Once they realize the dreams a dream and the wife and kids are screamin and none of the "guys" can hang tonight because everyones gotta be at work in the morning and everybody is gettin fat and bald you tend to see that chip come right off the shoulder like clockwork.

Then the whole cycle repeats itself over and over forever with mother nature playing the role of a puppetmaster with a sick sense of humor and an insatiable appetite for irony.
 
desmond22 said:
My girlfriends brothers band is a "harcore" metal band. good kids but very brattish. Pretty good players, but when i recorded them on pro tools they pretty much wanted me to spend hours and hours editing. funny thing was, they couldnt count in time, they couldnt play in time, or sing on cue.

Now ive got a tape machine and they think its the biggest pile of crap ever!
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Must resist...

Must resist...

Can't resist...

Like they say, "it takes one to know one." :D

It takes only a certain very minimum skill to play well enough to perform a recording.

But in order to play well enough that it's worth recording the performance? That's a whole 'nother ball of fish, or kettle of wax, or something like that (please cut and paste to fix).
 
MadDog, I like my mx 70 better. Mostly because I love the remote. I think it sounds clearer. Still have the ms16 though......

Hey More, just noticed that you were in NH. My home state! I'm from the Portsmouth area.:drunk:
 
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