Question about "send and return" on EFX processors

[VESSEL2020]

Seein' as I do not have a proper "send and return" cable..
Can I use an audio patch cable on the send and returns of my effects processors?
Say, One going out of send on one unit, going into return on the other and then goin' into the send and return on the other?
Will these type of cables work in a send and return setup?
Or will they run HOT?

 

[moresound]

Do you mean that you want to *piggy back* effects one after the other?

 

[VESSEL2020]

Yes!
The thing is...I've always ran my instruments (synths, etc.) through the effects first and the into their own channels on the mixer..but now, what I'm tryin' to do is,..hook 'em (effects) through the aux sends and returns on my mixer so I can choose the effects for the different channels seperately, as my M-2600 allows me to do this. The problem is...I don't have any proper "send and return" cables,..but I have many others that I believe can be used for this process. I have several mono, stereo, Y, instrument, audio patch cables,..but not sure which ones to use so I don't blow any channels or anything else.
My O2R has built-in effects that I've used in the past..but now I'm trying to hook up 20+ processors to my Tascam M-2600 in the piggy back way that you spoke of.

 

[moresound]

Your going to need a patch bay or two to do this correctly.
How many AUX sends are there on your mixer?

 

[VESSEL2020]

O.K.
I have the patch bay..
and here are some specs from the M-2600 manual

 

[VESSEL2020]

and some more...

 

[moresound]

Looks like the most that you can do at one time is 6 and that is with total control of them all. Meaning no piggy backing (that doesn't work to well).
Just look in the manual to see if the AUX send and returns are balanced or not and use the appropriate chords.
As for the channel inserts you'll need an insert cable. Those inserts on the channels are usually for comp/limiter/gates ~ that's what I use them for in live sound.
Hope this helps.

 

[VESSEL2020]

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[moresound]

Oops just seen the manual part for the cabling. Looks pretty self explanatory for the AUX part but the insert cable is a special cable you'll have to pick that up at a local music store or get it on line at least 10 feet long.

 

[VESSEL2020]

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[moresound]

YUP

 

[VESSEL2020]

It says 1/4 phone cable?
Can I get away with using the audio patch cables? or regular instrument cables to just hook up at least 4 of 'em?
Can it be done and how would anyone else configure this?
I'm confused on this one,..
Last night I tried hookin' 2 different processors up and got a terrible ringing feedback sound. I'm paranoid that I'll end up blowin' somethin'.
There has to be a way to do this with all the different cables that I do have.
I just don't have any "send & return" cables at the moment...but I will be sure to pick quite a few of 'em up, after I get paid this week.
Just lookin' for a short cut for right now.

 

[moresound]

It says 1/4 phone cable?
Can I get away with using the audio patch cables? or regular instrument cables to just hook up at least 4 of 'em?

YES


Can it be done and how would anyone else configure this?
I'm confused on this one,..
Last night I tried hookin' 2 different processors up and got a terrible ringing feedback sound. I'm paranoid that I'll end up blowin' somethin'.


I would have to be there to see what exactly had happen on that one.
If you piggy backed the effects that is one of the things that can happen cause the 2nd effect see the 1st.



There has to be a way to do this with all the different cables that I do have.
I just don't have any "send & return" cables at the moment...but I will be sure to pick quite a few of 'em up, after I get paid this week.


You mean insert cables right? that is a cable with one t/r/s on one end with two separate cables on the other end t/s termination of both.


Just lookin' for a short cut for right now.

Just use your instrument cables.

 

[MOFO Pro]

It's hard to explain this any better than the manual does... just break it down to individual parts, and start small... try getting one effect on one bus, and then build from there...

And yeah... don't get hung up on the send and return cables... the only specialty cables required would be the insert cable for the individual strips.

Good luck

 

[moresound]

It's hard to explain this any better than the manual does... just break it down to individual parts, and start small... try getting one effect on one bus, and then build from there...

And yeah... don't get hung up on the send and return cables... the only specialty cables required would be the insert cable for the individual strips.

Good luck

Thanks MOFO....that is really hard to explain unless your right there with hands on!

 

[VESSEL2020]

I did break it down exactly like mofo said..
and I just must be plain "burnt out stupid"...
or I am still not doin' somethin' right, 'cause I'm still getting a weird sounding feedback from every effect processor I've hooked up.
I know enough to "zero" everything, and bring it up slow.
Just can't figure it out. I think it's the cables for some reason.
Funny thing is...I was successful with doin' this with my Tascam MM-1 keyboard mixer without any feedback. Wonder why this happens with my M-2600?
I don't know...wish one of you guys could just be here to set it for me.
I guess I'll just have to order a couple of the correct cables.

 

[M1Fanatic]

This may sound redundant, but you are running the send out to the 'in' on the box and the 'out' from the box to the return aren't you?

Do you have a hot mic in the room with the monitors on?

I can't think of anything else.

 

[VESSEL2020]

This may sound redundant, but you are running the send out to the 'in' on the box and the 'out' from the box to the return aren't you?


Do you have a hot mic in the room with the monitors on?

Yes,...Exactly!
and No, ..Not at all.

 

[Lt. Bob]

This may sound redundant, but you are running the send out to the 'in' on the box and the 'out' from the box to the return aren't you?

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this ^^^^^^^^^ double check that. The 'out' on the fx DOES NOT got to 'out' or 'send' on the mixer.

And no .... you don't need any special cables except for the channel inserts.
For now just forget there even is a channel insert since you're obviously at the starting point of the learning curve.
For the rest ...... there is no such thing as a send or return cable. It's just a cable ..... you're not gonna damage anything.
1/4" phone is exactly the same as an instrument cable. It's not the cables ...... you've got something either hooked up wrong or you have something on the board set to where you're getting some kind of feedback loop.
Instead of posting all those pics of the manual ..... how bout post pics or a chart of how you have it hooked up and how you have the send/recieve stuff on the board set.

 

[moresound]

I don't know...wish one of you guys could just be here to set it for me.

Well where in space are you located?

Now just for a test go out to your FX unit like you have but this time don't go back into the board via the returns but into the line input of a channel then use that channel with it's gain, EQ,and fader as your return channel and see how that works for ya.