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I've just learned some things super ultra-valuable about Apex 460/NadyTCM1100 mods that goes WAAAAAYY beyond all the standard mods out there, a lot of which are actually bad for the amp/circuit signal!

We need to start from scratch on all those mods and start over.

Too many cooks involved, and the soup is definitely RUINED!!!!!!

When I have a chance, and after doing some tests, I will post THE ULTIMATE NADY/APEX MOD!!!!!
 
PhilGood said:
I've just learned some things super ultra-valuable about Apex 460/NadyTCM1100 mods that goes WAAAAAYY beyond all the standard mods out there, a lot of which are actually bad for the amp/circuit signal!

We need to start from scratch on all those mods and start over.

Too many cooks involved, and the soup is definitely RUINED!!!!!!

When I have a chance, and after doing some tests, I will post THE ULTIMATE NADY/APEX MOD!!!!!
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I actually posted those quite a long time ago... some 7 years ago. Unfortunately, was taken over with some folks with much better marketing skills than mine... But again, the folks on internet listen to those who know how to talk. Somehow, nobody listens to voice of reason...

Best, M
 
Ah, the war of the modders. As much as I dislike GS, they do have that popcorn smilie, wish I had that right now :laughings:

So, gentlemen, is anybody going to publish full details of their mods so we can all enjoy them? I'm familiar with Marik's old threads, I will have to go dig those up and link them . . .
 
kidvybes said:
...actually I just nabbed one on eBay for just a bit more than half that price, so once the "patient" arrives, we'll decide when to schedule surgery... :D



...well then let's bring this back on track...

...Michael, the 1050 I just scored is one of the older versions with the soldered in tube...I had a similar situation with an MXL V77 and I installed a simple ceramic tube socket to allow easy swapping of the tubes...I was wondering if you've worked on any 1050's of this vintage?...they were made by Shanghai ShuaiYin Electronics (or at least sold by the):
http://wy.hotsales.net/com/shuaiyin...=0&PHPSESSID=86635e9739117d844824f16c69a9d164
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My V77 tube wasn't soldered into place, but it took all I had to pull the tube for replacement!
Were not all the tubes soldered in place or did I receive (2nd hand) an already modded MXL V77?





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sound125 said:
Everybody today is a mic modder and there's no shortage of hype to go along with it.
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There doesn't need to be, one just needs to introduce enough controls into the test. For example, a test should include unmodded mics, as well as mics of the same price as the modded mics. From that we might learn that it's usually a matter of preference. Or we might learn otherwise.

Of course, once you introduce too many microphones, it becomes impossible to control the environment, especially with respect to colocation of the mics. That is why I suggested quantifying the effect of mic placement with a number of the same mics.

Or one can just do a giant uncontrollable test, and accept the limitations of that test. Mike Jasper did such a test with something like 90 microphones, including modded microphones, his results are published here (originally in Tape Op):

http://www.mikejasper.com/proaudiobay/SDShootout/intro1.html

or if you want to cheat and skip to the final results:

http://www.mikejasper.com/proaudiobay/SDShootout/listeningpanel.html
 
PhilGood said:
I've just learned some things super ultra-valuable about Apex 460/NadyTCM1100 mods that goes WAAAAAYY beyond all the standard mods out there, a lot of which are actually bad for the amp/circuit signal!

We need to start from scratch on all those mods and start over.

Too many cooks involved, and the soup is definitely RUINED!!!!!!

When I have a chance, and after doing some tests, I will post THE ULTIMATE NADY/APEX MOD!!!!!
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Can't wait for this Phil!.!





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moresound said:
My V77 tube wasn't soldered into place, but it took all I had to pull the tube for replacement!
Were not all the tubes soldered in place or did I receive (2nd hand) an already modded MXL V77?
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...here's a pic of both of my V77s mics...the top one has the ceramic socket modification...the bottom one is the original, which looks like a socket, but it's actually just a ceramic retainer with each tube pin wired individually...as far as I have seen they all had "soldered" tubes like the lower one in the pic...
 

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Congratulation Michael, you have successfully hijacked all forums with the support of your disciples. Looks like you should all be interested in scientology, a fine mix of pseudo-science and beliefs. Too bad, I'm not a believer. Your propaganda over reason = $

Keep on shining and preaching Michael!
 
IMHO said:
Congratulation Michael, you have successfully hijacked all forums with the support of your disciples. Looks like you should all be interested in scientology, a fine mix of pseudo-science and beliefs. Too bad, I'm not a believer. Your propaganda over reason = $

Keep on shining and preaching Michael!
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So I take it you won't listen to the clips then?
 
mshilarious said:
Ah, the war of the modders.
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Nah, not at all. As I mentioned, I am getting out of modding business and in fact, at this point referring many clients to Michael Joly.

mshilarious said:
So, gentlemen, is anybody going to publish full details of their mods so we can all enjoy them?
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If we are talking Nady 1050, then the most cost effective mod (at some $150) would be EQing the original capsule (i.e., exactly the way it was intended to work). Unlike Neumann U67, the 1050 allows different (and much more effective) EQ topology. The K67 style capsule has much better low end than the K47 style could ever dream.

MichaelJoly said:
And others listen to samples of music recorded with classic vs mod'd mics. Then make decisions based on what they hear, not what they read.
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If you remember, not very long ago I offered you to compare properly EQed K67 style capsule vs. your K47 mod. Understandably, you ignored it.

Best, M
 
Marik said:
If we are talking Nady 1050, then the most cost effective mod (at some $150) would be EQing the original capsule (i.e., exactly the way it was intended to work). Unlike Neumann U67, the 1050 allows different (and much more effective) EQ topology. The K67 style capsule has much better low end than the K47 style could ever dream.
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...Mark...for all us non-techs, could you explain what "EQing the original capsule" actually entails?...is this a process involving a tuning of the capsule itself, or tweaking the circuit feeding the capsule?...please fill us in...thanks!

...and going back to the mic that this thread was originally concerned with, is the new improved MXL 2003A better due to making better use of the K67 capsule in a similar method?...
 
kidvybes said:
...and going back to the mic that this thread was originally concerned with, is the new improved MXL 2003A better due to making better use of the K67 capsule in a similar method?...
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The MXL 2003A uses a "modified" K67-type capsule - the front backplate has the traditional K67 hole pattern but the rear backplate has a different pattern and larger holes. In addition there are also electronic revisions to reduce HF peaking. So I'd say the flatter response of this mic is due to both the acoustical (capsule) changes and the electronic ones.

Gee, you should try out for the moderator position if it ever comes up. You have a way of steering the discussion back to the original topic rather than encouraging tangents.
 
MichaelJoly said:
Gee, you should try out for the moderator position if it ever comes up. You have a way of steering the discussion back to the original topic rather than encouraging tangents.
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...actually Michael, I'm a bit disappointed that the 1050 I scored isn't suitable for your mod, but I'm working on options...and the "Rat Rod" finish still intrigues me...thanks for your kind remarks...
 
kidvybes said:
...Mark...for all us non-techs, could you explain what "EQing the original capsule" actually entails?...is this a process involving a tuning of the capsule itself, or tweaking the circuit feeding the capsule?...please fill us in...thanks!
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Hi Kidvybes,

The original Neumann KK67 capsule had a boost on the top of the range and the capsule was very bright sounding. In order to take care of this boost Neumann used electronic compensation (read EQ) in U67 and U87. Needless to say, because of the certain topology of those microphones this EQ was in form of negative feedback, which sonically might be not the best solution. Different topology of many Chinese microphones allows to electronically EQ the capsule in much more sonically "friendly" way.

Very often, some other solutions are also possible, such as certain choice of electronic components, or even very smart use of higher capacitance FETs, or tubes, and then using Miller effect for high end roll off.

Best, M
 
MichaelJoly said:
Gee, you should try out for the moderator position if it ever comes up. You have a way of steering the discussion back to the original topic rather than encouraging tangents.
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Sorry Mr. Joly, I am enjoying this thread waaay too much to moderate it :laughings:
 
kidvybes said:
...here's a pic of both of my V77s mics...the top one has the ceramic socket modification...the bottom one is the original, which looks like a socket, but it's actually just a ceramic retainer with each tube pin wired individually...as far as I have seen they all had "soldered" tubes like the lower one in the pic...
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Hey Kid ....come to find out my MXL V77 was modded by David Thomas in Canada.
He made the switch of the tube holder and some electrical modding.





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