thebigcheese
"Hi, I'm in Delaware."
Maybe he's only played the solid state amps?
ocnor
Lord Of The Thighs
No I just hate the way they are voiced. They have too much of that bloated vintage vibe. Especially the tiny terror that thing just sounds god awful.
thebigcheese
"Hi, I'm in Delaware."
Ha, I really liked that one... Didn't get it because it didn't have a loop and I wanted more flexibility with my tone.
I tried my reverb pedal in the effects loop of my bass amp today just to see, and even with the preamp gain cranked all the way, no clipping. That pedal clips on the NT even when the delay doesn't, so now I'm fairly confident that I just need to find the right amp with a loop. Waiting for my days off so I can actually try some out...
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
I have a Tiny Terror and I can't really agree that it's awful.
It is very midrangey ....... I way prefer my strat thru it and not anything with humbuckers.
But thru a Vintage 30 and with a nice pedalboard in front of it I find it fairly useable. Doesn't clean up quite enough for some things I do but it's a passable sounding little amp IMO.
It's definitely mids out the wazoo though.
It is very midrangey ....... I way prefer my strat thru it and not anything with humbuckers.
But thru a Vintage 30 and with a nice pedalboard in front of it I find it fairly useable. Doesn't clean up quite enough for some things I do but it's a passable sounding little amp IMO.
It's definitely mids out the wazoo though.
DrewPeterson7
Sage of the Order
I HATED the one I played, but with the following caveats - one, that I only plugged in a humbucker-equipped guitar, and two, that it struck me as something that would rule for AC/DC-y hard rock, but absolutely sucked for the smoother, more liquid lead sound I'm after.
Not that the amp itself blew, exactly, as much as it was a one-trick pony that kicked ass at a trick I wasn't interested in.
thebigcheese
"Hi, I'm in Delaware."
That was the other reason I didn't want one. Not enough tonal flexibility. The Thunder 30 has more flexibility, but I don't think I'll be able to find one to try yet. I think I can find a Rocker 30, though. Tomorrow I'm going around to try stuff out, so I'll report back with my findings.
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
it's definitely a one trick pony for sure.
G
ggunn
Crystal Flavolian
But hey, if it's a good enough trick.....
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
thebigcheese
"Hi, I'm in Delaware."
Here's what I learned today:
-The Mark V has a nice clean channel that's can sound just like the Night Train. The dirty channels require entirely too much fidgeting to get anything useful out of them.
-The Rectifiers have decent clean sounds and decent dirty sounds, but weren't really that great.
-The Electra Dyne is really nice, both clean and distorted, but I'm bummed that it's essentially just more or less gain on the same channel rather than actually giving us separate tone and volume controls. That's a lot of money to be spending to not get those.
-Orange amps are indeed midrangey, but overall have a really great feel to them that just wasn't there in the other amps. They just respond really well to dynamics. Or something. They just feel good. I only got to play the Tiny Terror and the Rocker 30, though, and I'm still a little worried that if I got the Thunder 30, the shape knob for the dirty channel wouldn't be enough tone control. Could spring for the Rockerverb, but it's twice as much money...
-The Egnater Renegade has a nice clean channel. The dirty channel is okay, but nothing spectacular. And something about those amps just seems cheap. I'm hesitant to buy one.
After that, I got tired of driving around.
-The Mark V has a nice clean channel that's can sound just like the Night Train. The dirty channels require entirely too much fidgeting to get anything useful out of them.
-The Rectifiers have decent clean sounds and decent dirty sounds, but weren't really that great.
-The Electra Dyne is really nice, both clean and distorted, but I'm bummed that it's essentially just more or less gain on the same channel rather than actually giving us separate tone and volume controls. That's a lot of money to be spending to not get those.
-Orange amps are indeed midrangey, but overall have a really great feel to them that just wasn't there in the other amps. They just respond really well to dynamics. Or something. They just feel good. I only got to play the Tiny Terror and the Rocker 30, though, and I'm still a little worried that if I got the Thunder 30, the shape knob for the dirty channel wouldn't be enough tone control. Could spring for the Rockerverb, but it's twice as much money...
-The Egnater Renegade has a nice clean channel. The dirty channel is okay, but nothing spectacular. And something about those amps just seems cheap. I'm hesitant to buy one.
After that, I got tired of driving around.
Zaphod B
Raccoons-Be-Gone, Inc.
Couple of comments.
About "midrangy" amps - One of my Egnater M4 preamp modules is the COD (California Overdrive), which is targeted towards a Mesa MkIIIc / Dumble Overdrive sound. This module is very very middy and almost sounds painfully thin when played alone and not in context with other instruments. But that fucker cuts through a mix like no other amp I've ever played. It's not the most sonically full or beautiful but by god people will hear it! So don't necessarily dismiss an amp because it's midrangy.
About the Egnater Renegade - this is one of Egnater's Chinese-manufactured line which includes the Tourmaster, Tweaker, and Rebel (their modular series are made in the USA and are not availble through GC or MF). People have a lot of good things to say about these, but QC is kind of spotty. I wouldn't necessary shy away from one, but I'd have any problems corrected immediately via warranty claim.
About "midrangy" amps - One of my Egnater M4 preamp modules is the COD (California Overdrive), which is targeted towards a Mesa MkIIIc / Dumble Overdrive sound. This module is very very middy and almost sounds painfully thin when played alone and not in context with other instruments. But that fucker cuts through a mix like no other amp I've ever played. It's not the most sonically full or beautiful but by god people will hear it! So don't necessarily dismiss an amp because it's midrangy.
About the Egnater Renegade - this is one of Egnater's Chinese-manufactured line which includes the Tourmaster, Tweaker, and Rebel (their modular series are made in the USA and are not availble through GC or MF). People have a lot of good things to say about these, but QC is kind of spotty. I wouldn't necessary shy away from one, but I'd have any problems corrected immediately via warranty claim.
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
I was pretty interested in the Egnater line when I bought my Mark V and almost went that way.
But I had several players who I knew had good ears that tried them and were not very impressed.
And even in reviews, some of their features, such as the tube blending, got 'meh' reviews as being almost inaudible as far as making a difference goes.
Also, I don't finbd the Mark V's dirty channels to be 'fiddly' at all. At least not any more than any other amp. You have to figure out where to set gain and tones just like any amp.
The only complication is that each channel has 3 modes. So you have to pick one but after that it's just an amp.
But I had several players who I knew had good ears that tried them and were not very impressed.
And even in reviews, some of their features, such as the tube blending, got 'meh' reviews as being almost inaudible as far as making a difference goes.
Also, I don't finbd the Mark V's dirty channels to be 'fiddly' at all. At least not any more than any other amp. You have to figure out where to set gain and tones just like any amp.
The only complication is that each channel has 3 modes. So you have to pick one but after that it's just an amp.
Outlaws
New member
Not to mention you actually have independent channels...so the clean setting doesn't affect the dirty settings. Any amp that shares EQ at this point in time is more hindering than having very responsive controls that need to be dialed in.
Tadpui
Well-known member
One other Orange amp you might want to seek out is the Dual Terror. It's 2 Tiny Terrors in a single head, so you have 2 independant channels you can EQ. It might give you more flexability without driving up the cost too much.
I have a very midrange-intense rig myself. The best thing I've bought recently was a 10-band EQ pedal. It's allowed me to tame some of the more offensive midrange frequencies but retain the overall midrange sound I'm after. Plus it's fun to beef up the low mids when I play alone.
thebigcheese
"Hi, I'm in Delaware."
Yeah, the tube mix controls are pretty useless. There are slight differences, but not enough for me to want the extra knob on there.
I felt, when using the Mark V, that I was definitely going to have to shape the dirty channels with the graphic EQ to get anything I wanted out of them. I know that it's possible to get the tone I want out of them because a lot of guitarists whose tone I am after use a Les Paul and a Mark V, but there are just too many options. It's definitely a cool amp, but not for me, I think.
And don't worry, I'm not dismissing the Orange amps! I'm probably going to go with the Thunder 30--it has a nice balance of features and low price. Plus Orange amps sound great, especially considering how few knobs they have.
R
Red_Rooster
New member
Jule does a great Night Train mod
I had Jule mod my Night Train with both the NT mod and the effects loop. I couldn't be happier with the Night Train mod itself.
Supposedly based on a Trainwreck design updated by Tony Bruno, it is one hell of an amp. With the Jule mod, on the EQ side it just rings and rings (I did upgrade the tubes with TAD 12ax7's and JJ EL34's). I have two Mesa amps and a Fender '57 Harvard, and none of them ring like the NT. Gorgeous. Far better than the original amp.
On the EQ bypass side, great crunch, and to me sounds like an EQ dimed JCM800. Not as loud, too. Perfect for practicing my hair metal.
As far as the effects loop, Jule makes it plain that it's not a standard tube buffered loop. I can't get it to work, the secret is supposedly boosting the output of the last pedal in the loop, but wherever the take off points are, it's not what I expected.
I have had zero problems with using pedals before the clean channel, but I do agree you can't crunch up the amp and expect time based effects to work without muddying up the sound. Grunge, anyone?
To sum up, Jule does a great job upgrading a fantastic, well designed small amp built on the cheap. I don't recommend the loop mod for most applications, and he makes that plain up front. No regrets, my gamble.
I would buy another NT and have Jule mod it if I needed one. Still cheaper than a Trainwreck or Bruno Cowtipper.
Now, if Vox could turn this into a two channel amp with effects loop, with the same options and 50/100 watts, they'd be able to compete with Marshall for the big boy business. I would buy the head in a heartbeat, and send it to Jule, too. I can assure you, Marshall will never achieve the clean tone this thing has. It would be a shame if Vox didn't follow this up. Really a unique design for them.
I do recommend either the Celestion Gold or Weber Blue Dog, or something similar, to hear the high end this thing has. Probably blow a Cele Blue. Just fantastic.
I had Jule mod my Night Train with both the NT mod and the effects loop. I couldn't be happier with the Night Train mod itself.
Supposedly based on a Trainwreck design updated by Tony Bruno, it is one hell of an amp. With the Jule mod, on the EQ side it just rings and rings (I did upgrade the tubes with TAD 12ax7's and JJ EL34's). I have two Mesa amps and a Fender '57 Harvard, and none of them ring like the NT. Gorgeous. Far better than the original amp.
On the EQ bypass side, great crunch, and to me sounds like an EQ dimed JCM800. Not as loud, too. Perfect for practicing my hair metal.
As far as the effects loop, Jule makes it plain that it's not a standard tube buffered loop. I can't get it to work, the secret is supposedly boosting the output of the last pedal in the loop, but wherever the take off points are, it's not what I expected.
I have had zero problems with using pedals before the clean channel, but I do agree you can't crunch up the amp and expect time based effects to work without muddying up the sound. Grunge, anyone?
To sum up, Jule does a great job upgrading a fantastic, well designed small amp built on the cheap. I don't recommend the loop mod for most applications, and he makes that plain up front. No regrets, my gamble.
I would buy another NT and have Jule mod it if I needed one. Still cheaper than a Trainwreck or Bruno Cowtipper.
Now, if Vox could turn this into a two channel amp with effects loop, with the same options and 50/100 watts, they'd be able to compete with Marshall for the big boy business. I would buy the head in a heartbeat, and send it to Jule, too. I can assure you, Marshall will never achieve the clean tone this thing has. It would be a shame if Vox didn't follow this up. Really a unique design for them.
I do recommend either the Celestion Gold or Weber Blue Dog, or something similar, to hear the high end this thing has. Probably blow a Cele Blue. Just fantastic.
thebigcheese
"Hi, I'm in Delaware."
BTW, in case you missed all the NAMM announcements...
VOX | Night Train NT50H/V212NT
It is a dual channel, 50-watt, FX-looped version of the Night Train. If I ever needed another amp in addition to my Orange amp, that would be it. Of course they would put that out after I already got the Orange, but whatever. I like my amp.
VOX | Night Train NT50H/V212NT
It is a dual channel, 50-watt, FX-looped version of the Night Train. If I ever needed another amp in addition to my Orange amp, that would be it. Of course they would put that out after I already got the Orange, but whatever. I like my amp.