Good metal sound with this equipment?

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A bit sad they'd make a tube amp called blackstar with not enough gain for heavy metal.
I checked several of your clips and I agree you're way off comparing to the example Youtube clip.

I have a HT-5 and IMO I get a gainier tone than what I heard in your clip.

Here's several HT5 wanks:


Blackstar_H75.mp3 - Driving Scumback H75 Speaker
blackstar_ts9.mp3 - TS9 Up front
prs_blackstar_mza212_wizard_t7000_S188.mp3 - Driving Eminence Wizard

Also, consider using www.netmusicians.org to post clips. It's free. I'm not a fan of MySpace. Way too much WEB overhead which makes it really slow.
 
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Perhaps the preamp tubes need replacing? When I bought my 6505, it was a display unit, I guess the tubes had got old and worn out, because the thing didn't have anywhere near enough gain either. Those things should have all the gain you'd ever need. Replaced the preamp tubes and the thing damn near tore my face off! :D
 
Guess the mic isn't that important. scotty

dead wrong, mic type and placement are key. Dynamic mic SM57 will do, but I highly reccomend the Senn 421. Its a large diaphram dynamic, which is good for high SPL.

Maybe the amp is crap? i dont know
scotty

Your probably 100% correct on that and you will not get it any better with any type of pedal or processor.

Find an old JCM 900 wattage doesn't matter. Marshall used to make good stuff. They make utter crap now. Also look at the older mesa stuff like the DC-3 or DC-5. They are good amps for money.
 
the one i got is brand new though. but I guess I could bring it in and see if they're worn out... dont see how it could have been already

Also sorry guys. the example i gave you wasn't the blackstar, it was a peavy with a behringer ultra metal pedal.

I'm uploading the heaviest I could get with the black star amp. just didn't seem to do it for me. Its the track labled "Blackstar" on this page

www.myspace.com/scottrowling

I sat in the music studio 2 times for about an hour each time. I guess I was fooled because after playing it for a while I forgot what high gain sounded like haha... so I fooled myself. but yeah it wasn't an impuse buy. the guy who works there is a good friend.

I was actually hoping for more feedback on the bass. I really want to get the bass sounding swarve first so then i can focus on the guitar without worrying if the bass is making it sound like crap or not.

I do appreciate all the help. Yeah I've been layering the guitars since I started recording.

those blackstar tests do sound funky, but just dont give the high sound that I'm after. Here's a blackstar sound that is the closest i've found, but still doesnt cut it.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=1000132

its the top one on the list. that sounds awesome, but i can tell as soon and you start doin single string stuff, like melodic death metal sorta stuff, it loses the sound im after.

Maybe it's just me and im retarded lol. I'll give the blackstar more testing in a couple of days just with it's own gain and ill post the meatiest sound I can get from it.

thanks again for all the help guys
 
Your probably 100% correct on that and you will not get it any better with any type of pedal or processor.

After you refering to the blackstar or the peavey being crap? or both?
 
I checked several of your clips and I agree you're way off comparing to the example Youtube clip.

Any idea if that kinda tone on the youtube clip is achievable on the blackstar?


I have a HT-5 and IMO I get a gainier tone than what I heard in your clip.

Also, consider using www.netmusicians.org to post clips. It's free. I'm not a fan of MySpace. Way too much WEB overhead which makes it really slow.

Ahh ok. ill sort out a new upload site this week then. thanks.
 
I have not tried Amplitube but I do have the LE version of Guitar Rig 3. It's what I use for anything other than metal rhythm guitar, and it seems pretty good. Not having the full version I cannot comment on how capable it is of metal rhythm, but I know Nick Crow amp beats anything on the LE version by a mile for that.

Being from the UK EtherealEntity... shouldn't you have written Kilometer? :D :laughings: :D





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Any idea if that kinda tone on the youtube clip is achievable on the blackstar?
IDK. Your UTube example is a very tight tone. If time allows, I'll give it a try but it won't be with the stock HT5 speaker.

Do you have a pair of short DIs available that I could use to reamp with.
 
IDK. Your UTube example is a very tight tone. If time allows, I'll give it a try but it won't be with the stock HT5 speaker.

Do you have a pair of short DIs available that I could use to reamp with.

sure do... how would you like me to send it to you?

and what file type? mp3?
 
sure do... how would you like me to send it to you?

and what file type? mp3?
Put them on your new NetMucisians.org account. :D I'll let you know when I have them and you can then remove them.

Hi-bit MP3 is Okay.
 
Dude, first things first:
The recording gain on that clean guitar is redonkulous.

If the entire song is tracked like that, I'm going to guess that you are way past your headroom unless you have every single fader pulled down to something like -30.

I can't say for sure, but your tone issues may be recording/mixing technique problems instead of problems with the equipment.



Track everything to peak at about -20 to -15. Remember, it has to all add together and still come up way less than 0.
 
Hey scotty,

I'm at work so I haven't been able to listen to the youtube clip (even on my iPhone =() but I've searched hard for many years to achieve a good professional unique metal tone without spending 20k. I have a couple suggestions that made a huge difference for me.

-What guitar are you using? Pickups on the guitar make a HUGE difference. I prefer EMG-81 at the bridge and that keeps things very tight and punchy.

-make sure your using thick gauge strings. I use ernie ball not even slinkies that have a gauge set of 012 .016 .024p .032 .044 .056

- A lot of people will tell refer certain amps because they work good in certain situations. It really matter what your application is. For example, Marshall JCM900 sounds pretty badass when cranked, but when using them anything below 4 volume they sound like ass to me. To be honest I've never liked marshall tone for metal. They have more of a hard rock tone than metal IMO. I actually just sold a JCM2000 tsl 100 on ebay which might be a good option for your amp o.O

-A rule of thumb I use is to limit the effects as much as possible for the core tone with the exception of eq and compression (I compress rhythm guitar VERY rarely). A lot of people like adding tubescreamers and overdrive pedals to tweak tone a bit but I've always thought they make the tone muddy and not as clear.

-I've had much better success record DI than I have with micing (mainly due to my enviroment and not being able to crank it)

-When recording direct input make sure you gain going in is as close to clipping as possible without clipping

-My experience with amp modeling SOFTWARE is that its close but never good enough. Surprisingly enough I just bought a Peavey VYPYR 120h and absolutely love it! It is a digital modeling amp (I HATE line 6 BTW) with a real tube power section and diode clipping distortion (the real thing). I know go from line out on my head to the line in on the interface.

-A lot of people overlook proper equalization. When figuring out a new guitar tone i will usually spend at least an hour on a graphic EQ dialing in tone. A couple of tips I've learned when EQing:
1. Only eq for about 20 mins MAX at a time than walk away and stop listening for 3-5 mins. Keep repeating this so your ears dont get fatigued.
2. Make sure your listening to reference monitors or at least know very well how music sounds on your speakers
3. Save your presets on your DAW and come back to them. Catalog and keep track of your preset EQ. Bouncing around with different EQ's that you have set can save a lot of time as opposed to trying to perfect your EQ every time.
4. NEVER underestimate the power of EQing, it is CRITICAL in coloring your tone.

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This is outdate by quite a bit and the file sounds like shit when it got compressed down to put on myspace but i recorded that ALL DI with guitar>boss metal zone>interface>lots of EQ :)
 
After you refering to the blackstar or the peavey being crap? or both?

not sure about the pedal but the amp is a bigger factor. your amp is a solid state amp. Its going to sound best at the lowest possible volume
 
-When recording direct input make sure you gain going in is as close to clipping as possible without clipping
No! Why would you do that? Especially with direct input...The guitar needs a ton of processing in the box. That requires headroom.
 
IMO. I actually just sold a JCM2000 tsl 100 )

Good thing it's a piece of garbage. Marshall started putting cheap audio transformers in JCM2000 series after the first run.

Though a company called mecury magnets makes a drop in replacement.
 
No! Why would you do that? Especially with direct input...The guitar needs a ton of processing in the box. That requires headroom.

Lol I don't really know! Its just always sounded better to me when i did that. I always have to lower the tarck gain after the FX and EQ are applied. Maybe you can further explain to me why this is a bad idea?
 
ok been doing a fair bit of testing.

I just bought a tube amp blackstar ht5 combo and was excited to blare a real tube amp to record only to find it didn't have enough gain for what I wanted. there goes $650 down the drain... So basically i'm really put out by this.

This surprises me a bit - I don't own one of these nor have I played one, but a lot of people over on www.metalguitarist.org have and they swear that, especially with a tube screamer out front as a slight boost, these things totally have enough gain for metal.

Are you sure you're just not using WAY too much gain?
 
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