Good metal sound with this equipment?

[scotty_777]

thanks heaps everyone who's been posting.

I've concluded that I really need to stop trying different recording methods and settle with a less than perfect gutiarsound untill I actually know the sound out of my amp is actually good.

So I'm thinking I'll try a tube screamer then. Know next to nothing about them though, but I did try using my Behringer UltraMetal100 in the HT5, and man that sounded so hissy and yuk! like a snake in my face. but it was a 20 dollar pedal, but what surprises me is all the good reviews it got...

So next on the list is a tube screamer. any suggestions? and how much am I looking to spend on one. and If it also sounds like poo with the HT5 should I kill myself?

Scotty

P.s. thanks again. I will definatly try the EQ stuff more Mark, when i know I'm actually producing a decent August Burns Red or similar tone. no use trying to make fart sound good with EQing hehe

ALSO.

If I were to buy all new equipment, what would be the best amp head/cab to get for the kind of sound on the original youtube clip? there's gota be amps out there designed for that kind of sound right? ggogle says VHT. and what in one of those kinds of amps that give it a so much more crunchy crisp sound?

 

[GuitardedMark]

thanks heaps everyone who's been posting.

I've concluded that I really need to stop trying different recording methods and settle with a less than perfect gutiarsound untill I actually know the sound out of my amp is actually good.

So I'm thinking I'll try a tube screamer then. Know next to nothing about them though, but I did try using my Behringer UltraMetal100 in the HT5, and man that sounded so hissy and yuk! like a snake in my face. but it was a 20 dollar pedal, but what surprises me is all the good reviews it got...

So next on the list is a tube screamer. any suggestions? and how much am I looking to spend on one. and If it also sounds like poo with the HT5 should I kill myself?

Scotty

P.s. thanks again. I will definatly try the EQ stuff more Mark, when i know I'm actually producing a decent August Burns Red or similar tone. no use trying to make fart sound good with EQing hehe

ALSO.

If I were to buy all new equipment, what would be the best amp head/cab to get for the kind of sound on the original youtube clip? there's gota be amps out there designed for that kind of sound right? ggogle says VHT. and what in one of those kinds of amps that give it a so much more crunchy crisp sound?

It really depends what you want to do. I think its always a good idea to get your live gear down before you focus on recording but it can be very expensive. If your looking to buy a new amp and you looking for the ABR sound I would consider the following makers:

-Mesa Boogie (dual and triple rectifier) - The all American favorite for heavy music (very clean crunching smooth distortion)

-Engl (powerball, fireball, savage or special editions) These are becoming HUGE in the current metal scene but they've always sounded a little "squeeky" to me.

-Framus (cobra or dragon) Havent played on either but they sound very thin to me. To be honest thats my main dislike of ABR tone and it sounds to me like they did record with one of these.

-Peavey (5150, 6506, XXX or Vypyr <--- Great buy if you dont have a lot of cash to throw down) Brutal sounding amps with a lot of grit in the higher freq.

-VHT (I've only ever liked the pitbull and I only played it a couple times. With the one exception of the JCM 900 I really cant stand marshall and these sound very marshally to me)

-Diesel (Eistein) These amps are quickly becoming a favorite of mine. They have such brutal bite at the low end.

I did a quick google search and people said they use framus cobras and VHT. I will be honest though most bands use different gear live than they do recording. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many bands record with cobras and all too often I'll see the same band gigging with Dual rectifiers. It makes a big difference if your looking to improve your live tone or your recording tone though.

Decimate The Living!!! \\nn//

 

[legionserial]

I do agree with you for the most part, but my issue has been recording on less than professional gear. I've always had a rather high noise signal coming in UNLESS I max input gain as much as I can without clipping. I'd rather turn the tracks down than deal with a hiss or noise floor that is too high. I'm sure if i had pro gear this wouldn't apply but I'm using some pretty outdated stuff and I'm assuming scotty doesn't have pro gear either.

What is your signal chain? Are you recording digitally? If so you shouldn't have any problems recording that quietly. Most people here aren't using pro gear. I'm certainly not.

 

[GuitardedMark]

What is your signal chain? Are you recording digitally? If so you shouldn't have any problems recording that quietly. Most people here aren't using pro gear. I'm certainly not.

I record a few different ways but when I have the noise problem its when I go guitar>metal zone>interface. Also, like I said the noise is not THAT BAD but I can definitely hear it.

I explained the other reasons I do this in a previous post.

"I think I have a faulty jack or maybe just a poor unit (us-122). I'm going to be upgrading soon partially because of this but i still get the noise. Its not horrible but I can hear it.

I've also noticed that the input seems to "warm up" and get a fuller tone when I get close to clipping. I've noticed this with a couple other interfaces too.

The last reason I get a lot of input is because sometimes I use some weird effects like flanger,metalizer and compression and it can really suck the gain out of my recordings. I'd rather have to pull down than not have enough to go up. Maybe it's just me but I notice quality loss when I boost a signal digitally. I'd much rather cut it.
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I'm not a pro but I'm also not a noob. I realize why people dont max input gain. I also know that they are A LOT of variables in digital recording and I think its foolish to assume that every situation is the same. I can't explain a lot of the reason things happen in digital recording (most people think they know but they really dont), but I do have a good ear and an open mind. I also attended McNally Smith College of Recording and Production so I understand signal flow and I'm not just pulling this out of my ass

 

[legionserial]

Whatever. The 'record as close to clipping' line is one of the most prolificly spouted pieces of bad advice in home recording. Do what you want, all I'm doing is telling you why it's generally a bad idea. What college you attended has nothing to do with it. I can understand your noise floor issues, but recording louder does not give you a fuller sound. It's just louder. That's a simple fact. Your DAW captures the sound that goes into it. It doesn't alter it just because it's louder.

What I would advise is to look at whether the noise is prevailant only during silence, in which case I'd say record quieter, and then edit the silence. I generally tend to do this as a matter of course anyway. If it's meant to be silent, then just cut out that part of the track.

 

[GuitardedMark]

Whatever. The 'record as close to clipping' line is one of the most prolificly spouted pieces of bad advice in home recording. Do what you want, all I'm doing is telling you why it's generally a bad idea. What college you attended has nothing to do with it. I can understand your noise floor issues, but recording louder does not give you a fuller sound. It's just louder. That's a simple fact. Your DAW captures the sound that goes into it. It doesn't alter it just because it's louder.

What I would advise is to look at whether the noise is prevailant only during silence, in which case I'd say record quieter, and then edit the silence. I generally tend to do this as a matter of course anyway. If it's meant to be silent, then just cut out that part of the track.

Clearly you didnt read my original post where I said "this is what has helped me". I was preaching the bible of recording or anything. Just trying to help a brother out with things I have learned. And really, when you break it down. What is your arguement to why this shouldn't be done? There is no doubt that quality is lost if you boost a signal digitally. When you cut a signal digitally nothing is lost. Also, my interface is cheap, it produces better sound with higher input. Are you really so closed minded to not consider this is a true? Have you used my setup? No... you haven't. And I don't believe its the DAW, IT'S THE INTERFACE. It could be the metal zone or the interface for all I know. Regardless, the sound is fuller at high input volume. I do cut the silent parts out because the noise floor IS THERE REGARDLESS, I simply cover it up by using higher input so it doesnt bleed into the mix. Why argue about this when you have erroneous and unsubstantiated facts and an ignorant and a rudamentary "that's how its supposed to be done" attitude?

Sorry man I rarely tear it up like this but I'm just here to help a fellow musician record some badass music, not to argue. I don't believe this started as a debate thread.

Keep in mind I never suggested he did that with the gain, but rather what has worked well for me in my experience. I can't speak of other peoples situations because every one is unique. Maybe you should consider that...

 

[Chibi Nappa]

are you just sayin my playing is too sloppy? it was a pretty slack effort just to get the tone.

Playing is tone. The character of your attack, the length of your ring...everything about how you play changes tone. Take a guitar that sounds pretty bad and hand it to a professional player. It sounds much better without turning a single knob.

Maybe this is your problem...

 

[Sonixx]

Check out this HT5 clip... it kicks...