Vocal Editing and such

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Are you like saying Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles don't know music theory?...

I would imagine that Stevie and the bunch do know music theory, but their reading skills are... er... compromised.

Charlie Parker reportedly had his own system of circles and lines that he developed and wrote in a note book he carried around. Most musicians who are any good, one way or another, figure out the nuts and bolts of their axe.
 
There is formal, book-learned theory...and then there is hands-on theory.
The minute you start to learn how to play, you ARE indirectly learning & using theory.
I'm not sure how much guys like Ray Charles had AFA book-learned theory...but, they sure learned hands-on theory better than most.
Plus...as you play with other musicians, you pick up on their knowledge...so after awhile you can be pretty good with knowing basic theory (like knowing what chords and which scales go with a particular key...etc)...
...but I doubt you could keep up with a typical, classically trained musician...theory-wise.

Oh...and to do great productions these days...you only need to know three bits of DAW "theory"....
...cut, paste and undo. :laughings:
 
I'm assuming by "in-the-pocket" you mean popular. Can you name a few?

I have a theory that about 99% of good sounding bands know their music.

Not popular just tight and spot on when it comes to playing / singing / etc..
 
My DAW also has an undo-undo...so I can go many levels backward or as many levels foward.

[CTRL + Z]
[CTRL + A]

:D
 
Not popular just tight and spot on when it comes to playing / singing / etc..
So can you name a couple of those tight and spot on that don't know squat about theory?
 
Aw c'mon...you were still in diapers...there's no way you could get their musical prowess of that period! :D

;)
 
Generally people hate the popular music that came out when they were born.

I'd be happy if I could sing 1/100th as well as Paul Rogers.
 
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Great song, great voice
 
Lol. Bands are no worse than they've always been. It's just easier for them to be heard now. Your idea of "knowing how to play" is probably stuck in the 50's. A band not being recordable doesn't mean they can't play, it just means they can't be recorded, yet. The NY Dolls, Ramones, Stooges, and The MC5 were pretty rough around the edges and every day of my life I thank them for blowing apart the stuffy suckass 70's.

Luckily for you there are still plenty of ELP and Styx records you can listen to.
You have no idea what I'm talking about.

The Ramones and Stooges et al COULD play their instruments and play them well enough to get stuff to stick to tape. I'm not talking about raw, rough-edge style, because that requires musicianship to get down in the studio also. I'm talking about people who simply cannot play their instruments, period.

Like the recent drummer we had in who's fills and breaks sounded exactly like someone filled a gigantic balloon full of drumsticks, suspended it over the drum kit, and then popped it with a knitting needle, letting the sticks just randomly fall all over the kit. And that's not counting the fact that he couldn't hold his beat with a wheelbarrow, even with click track or MP3 of the original playing in his cans. And he actually thought he was a very good drummer.

Or the sax player with the $4k+ Selmer saxophone but (I swear to god this is true) couldn't hit one single note correctly; who spent two hours of studio time just punching a simple two-bar 2/4 accompaniment, or the bass player who swore up and down that he had practiced for hours to the sheets and the recording, and was ready as possible to record, but who, when the red button was pushed was playing the whole damn thing in the wrong key.

I wouldn't even bring it up if these were rare aberrations, but they're not; they are more commonplace nowadays than anything else is. The difference between now and a couple of decades ago is one of either self-awareness or of self-respect. Time was when these guys would have known how they actually sound - or rather don't sound - and have waited a bit longer to actually build their talent until they stepped into a studio, but now they either just don't know or just don't care.

This has nothing to do with whatever one may or may not have listened to on some lame-assed TopRock radio station when they were younger, that represents the music of any given decade about as well as McDonald's represents the food cuisine of the same time period.

G.
 
... The difference between now and a couple of decades ago is one of either self-awareness or of self-respect...

Something else too... I'm not sure that the recording engineers in the 60's who grew up on guys from the 1940's wouldn't have said the same thing.

You get good at what you do all day. In the 1930's and 40's there were no tv's so it was boring at home. Every big town had a movie house that you'd pay some small amount and you'd stay in there all day. They had bands that played all day. Lots of those musicians were on stage, playing 6 hours a day, and then maybe do a night gig after that.

In the 70's, here in Waikiki, on Lewers St, they had maybe 15 - 20 gigs in a 1/4 mile space. Everyone I knew was playing 30 - 40 gigs a month. That went on for years. Good times. It's hard not to get at least ok if you play that much.

How many musicians that come in studios nowadays are playing anywhere near that much? That to me, is a big part of the reason the musicians today are learning the tune, and learning how to play, in the studio.
 
You have no idea what I'm talking about.

The Ramones and Stooges et al COULD play their instruments and play them well enough to get stuff to stick to tape. I'm not talking about raw, rough-edge style, because that requires musicianship to get down in the studio also. I'm talking about people who simply cannot play their instruments, period.

Like the recent drummer we had in who's fills and breaks sounded exactly like someone filled a gigantic balloon full of drumsticks, suspended it over the drum kit, and then popped it with a knitting needle, letting the sticks just randomly fall all over the kit. And that's not counting the fact that he couldn't hold his beat with a wheelbarrow, even with click track or MP3 of the original playing in his cans. And he actually thought he was a very good drummer.

Or the sax player with the $4k+ Selmer saxophone but (I swear to god this is true) couldn't hit one single note correctly; who spent two hours of studio time just punching a simple two-bar 2/4 accompaniment, or the bass player who swore up and down that he had practiced for hours to the sheets and the recording, and was ready as possible to record, but who, when the red button was pushed was playing the whole damn thing in the wrong key.

I wouldn't even bring it up if these were rare aberrations, but they're not; they are more commonplace nowadays than anything else is. The difference between now and a couple of decades ago is one of either self-awareness or of self-respect. Time was when these guys would have known how they actually sound - or rather don't sound - and have waited a bit longer to actually build their talent until they stepped into a studio, but now they either just don't know or just don't care.

This has nothing to do with whatever one may or may not have listened to on some lame-assed TopRock radio station when they were younger, that represents the music of any given decade about as well as McDonald's represents the food cuisine of the same time period.

G.

Lol. why do all the suckasses seem to gravitate to your studio? :laughings:
 
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