It might get loud

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I'm in the middle of watching "It Might Get Loud" which, if you don't know, is about Jimmy Page, The Edge, and Jack White. It's kind of a cool film. They should have dumped Page and The Edge and just focused on Jack White. If you haven't seen it, I recommend it. Just to see and hear Whites views on music and art is amazing. Also, seeing Pages ego is humorous. Have you seen it? What do you think?
 
I was supposed to go see it Wednesday but my buddy cancelled. Interesting take on Jack White, having read his thoughts on music and recording (high-end vs low-end guitars and tape vs pro tools) he came across as a complete tool.
 
Interesting take on Jack White, having read his thoughts on music and recording (high-end vs low-end guitars and tape vs pro tools) he came across as a complete tool.

He actually talks a lot about that in this film. His point is that technology doesn't make you any more creative. He said "you may get home faster but..." it doesn't make you any more creative. He talks about where his influences a lot. I really admire his ethic (and his modified gretch is amazing!!!) I think if you come at him with the idea that he's a pompous rock star, he may appear that way. But, no, I don't think that what he is, at all, and definately not a tool.
 
He actually talks a lot about that in this film. His point is that technology doesn't make you any more creative. He said "you may get home faster but..." it doesn't make you any more creative. He talks about where his influences a lot. I really admire his ethic (and his modified gretch is amazing!!!) I think if you come at him with the idea that he's a pompous rock star, he may appear that way. But, no, I don't think that what he is, at all, and definately not a tool.

Will have to check it out. He's come full circle on the analogue/digital thing after tracking Elephant in Toe Rag studios in England.
 
Will have to check it out. He's come full circle on the analogue/digital thing after tracking Elephant in Toe Rag studios in England.

What do you mean? As I understand, he's still a full on analog guy. Toe Rag is an absolutely amazing analog studio (unless I'm getting my studios mixed up.)


He's also the only one in the film to express any humility. He says "I'm going to trick them into teaching me all their tricks." I think the idea that he doesn't have it all figured out and he knows it is cool.
 
My son and I saw that when it first came out here - we both really enjoyed it. Some of the reflecting/ruminating stuff was a little much, but still fun to watch over all.
 
Good lord - why?

Well, I guess The Edge's segments were cool. I never really saw him as a passionate musician. But I think, now, that he is. I just feel like he relys way too heavily on effects. I'm all for delay, I love delay, but to have entire songs that don't hold up if you don't have all these effects on it . . . that wears on me. Page just annoys me. He's arrogant and really seems to be just resting on his laurels. It's just my oppinion. He had some good stuff, but none of it really showed on the film.

But I really like almost everything I've heard Jack White put out. Be it the White Stripes, the Raconteurs, or whatever. He just has a great work ethic and is an amazing musician, beyond just guitar. Like I said, it's just my humble oppinion.
 
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Well I really enjoyed the movie.

I agree about Jack White, but I also enjoyed Page and The edge segments.

To see the faces of White and The Edge when Page starts playing Whole lotta love... priceless :)
 
I've not heard of it. I just watch DVD's so I don"t have to see the commercials. Is it a new movie? I'd like to check it out.
 
Good lord - why?

I don't agree with that comment either, but I actually have rather a lot of respect for Jack white as a musician. He's a much better player than he lets on (I'm pretty sure he could cut a killer traditional blues album, except he just isn't interested), he's a whirlwind live (I caught the white stripes maybe two years ago, and I'm almost positive they didn't have a set list, they just played whatever struck Jack's fancy, which seemed to grate on Meg's nerves a little since he kept changing mid-song), and I think he's an excellent songwriter (some of the wordplay in "You Don't Know What Love Is, You Just Do What You're Told" is just awesome - "In some respects, I suspect you've got a respectable side. When pushed and pulled and pressured you seldom run and hide. But it's for someone else's benefit, not what you want to do - until I realize that you've realized, I'll keep saying these words to you."). He's kind of a guilty pleasure of mine - I listen to a lot of prog metal and shred and pretty "authentic" blues, and he's almost the antithesis of that, but he's just such a fun, creative artist.
 
Page is arrogant because he wrote everything Jack White has ever played :p
Page is arrogant because he THINKS he wrote everything Jack White has ever played. But White's influences run so much deeper than classic rock.

I'm almost positive they didn't have a set list,...I listen to a lot of . . . pretty "authentic" blues, and he's almost the antithesis of that, but he's just such a fun, creative artist.

You are right he didn't have a set list. They "never do." In fact he says they don't even discuss what song they'll play first. They just start. I don't think he's the antithesis of authentic blues. (I know you said other things, but I don't see them relating at all to him.) I think he has only ever tried to take the spirit of "authentic" blues and interpret it today.

Either way, I really dig his music.
 
I don't think he's the antithesis of authentic blues. (I know you said other things, but I don't see them relating at all to him.) I think he has only ever tried to take the spirit of "authentic" blues and interpret it today.

We can agree to disagree, then - I see his playing as more of a reaction to than a continuation of the blues tradition.

And I'd probably have a pretty massive ego had I written Led Zep I, II, and III as well. :p
 
Page is arrogant because he THINKS he wrote everything Jack White has ever played. But White's influences run so much deeper than classic rock.

I don't care whom he claims as influences, all his stuff I've heard is extremely derivative of '70s dinosaur rock. And for a modern reincarnation of that, I'll take Jack Black over Jack White, ten times out of ten. At least Black realizes the music is essentially silly.

I mean, c'mon, ragging on Edge? His entire sound is delay? I don't quite think so, he's done a lot of interesting riffs. "Vertigo" is better than any White riff I've heard. But let's not discount the delay, "Where the Streets Have No Name" is brilliant. Everybody ragging on him wishes they had thought of it first.

You'll probably counter with some boring White riff. Is it the tune that sounds like Zep, or the tune that sounds like AC/DC? Or is the tune that is half Zep and half AC/DC?
 
This is the shizzle . . . Black, Grohl, no hags on the skins!

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I found the movie on Net flicks and and will take a look at it soon.
 
I think that all of White Blood Cells is an exhibition of a smart young songwriter just hitting his stride. But I kind of lost a lot of my interest in the White Stripes after that. Elephant, Icky Thump and Get Behind Me, Satan have flashes of that same excitement but they ultimately fall short of what I think Jack White can accomplish.

I understand that everybody has different tastes in music, but I don't get why anyone would rag on Jack White too hard. Sure, if you look hard enough, you can find things with any musician or songwriter to harp on. But I see Jack White as a good example of modern guitarists/singers/songwriters. He's been an indie-pop icon, he's constantly experimenting and finding lots of interesting sounds and textures via different guitars, amps, and effects. Not all of his tones are appealing to me, but I respect that he's always turning knobs and tweaking his tone.

I'm not a huge fan of his blues heritage though. His most interesting music to me isn't the blues based songs like "Ball And Biscuit", but the more focused songs like "Little Room" and "Dead Leaves And The Dirty Ground". I don't mind blues influences in modern music, but I feel like White's more bluesy stuff is a bit of a crutch. He's a sharper songwriter when he frees himself from the strict confines of the blues structures.

As for Page, I think that he has laurels unlike any other living guitarist and he can rest on them all he likes. I'm not a fan of the once-was artist living off of past accomplishments, but Page is unique in my mind. His influence is so deep and wide across all modern guitarists that it's incalculable. He did much like Jack White and took influences from blues, folk, and other musical styles and blended them (with varying degrees of success) into something that the world was obviously hungry for. Like DrewPeterson said above, anybody who wrote (and largely engineered) those first few Zeppelin albums gets more leeway in his/her current contributions to the worlds of music and guitar than others do.

I've never really listened to the Edge nor U2 in my lifetime. I was too young when they were putting out their quality albums, and now I'm simply indifferent to what they're doing now. But I have to defend the Edge's use of effects in his songs. We ALL use effects to one degree or another, and most of what any of us write wouldn't stand up without them. If you want to dispute that point, play some of your songs on an acoustic guitar and see how it sounds compared to how it sounds on your latest album. Distortion is an effect, reverb is an effect, and without those 2 elements, a lot of modern music would sound limp. There's nothing wrong with using the tools available to achieve a musical result, if you ask me.

There's a lot of gear in the world that's especially geared towards guitarists. While the gear and toys will never replace raw talent and core sound of 6 strings vibrating, why not use them as tools that aid creativity? This analogy is used all the time for guitar gadgets, but they're like new colors, brushes, and types of paint to a visual artist. Why not use a full palette of colors, a combination of oil, water, tampra, pastels, charcoal, sepia ink, india ink, a range of brush sizes and textures, a variety of canvases and papers, and whatever else you can find in order to build a repotiore of techniques, textures, colors, and visual effects in your career? While mastering pencil drawings on 70 lb. drawing paper can yield very satisfying results, it can also be very satisfying to incorporate a variety of these other devices.

OK, so I took the art analogy a bit too far, but that's just because it fits. Music is art. There are no hard rules, only guidelines and influences. And when it comes down to it, I fully support the use of any means that will yield an interesting result.
 
A couple other quick comments:
  • I caught U2 live last summer. I've never really been a fan, but my roommate had an extra ticket and I thought it'd be fun. And you know, they blew me away. The Edge isn't the most mindblowing guitarist I've ever heard, but he does some cool stuff, they put on a hell of a show, and they've written a whole bunch of good tunes. He has a really interesting approach to the guitar, and I think he's deserving of respect for that.
  • Actually, some of the Led Zep-y stuff is a large part of the reason I DO like Jack White. :p The main riff of "Icky Thump," when it kicks in halfway through, sounds like it could've been an unreleased Zeppelin tune, and it's absolutely awesome. That said, what I like most about White isn't the riffing as much as his songwriting (he's a great lyricist) and his devil-may-care approach to the guitar. His stuff just has this attitude to it that's really refreshing because it's largely absent in modern rock.
  • Also, as for having laurels unlike any other living guitarist, this is less true for his approach to the studio, maybe, but everyone (myself included more often than not) tends to forget the "other" British guitarist from the Yardbirds, a bloke by the name of Jeff Beck. ;)
 
See, that's why I like John Mellencamp, every song he ever wrote sounds great with just one acoustic guitar. A lot of '90s alternative was the same way. Icky Thump unplugged, that's a scary thought.

I saw the trailer to the film, and seemed like they spend a lot of time staring at each others' rigs. That's about the least interesting aspect of musicianship as far as I am concerned.
 
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