Anyone tried putting their kick to the side?

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saads said:
How can you not like Dave Grohl! :eek:
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Well, I'm a drummer!
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Greg_L said:
Because he's a fucking hack?
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this is the only thing i disagree with you on in this thread. i always thought he was overrated until i heard "songs for the deaf" from qotsa. since then i've read more than one interview with engineers saying he can just walk into a studio and bang out a song to perfection in one take. the dude has skills, as much as i hate to admit it.
 
Greg_L said:
Because he's a fucking hack?
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He might not have fantastic technique, he might not play a lot of fancy rolls, but his timing is great, his playing is solid, and his style fits the song perfectly. But then again, it's all a matter of opinion i guess.
 
I look at it like this.......

I can play anything that I've heard Grohl play, and I generally suck. I like his style, but I'd never in a million years include him on any list of influential, good, or important drummers.
 
saads said:
He might not have fantastic technique, he might not play a lot of fancy rolls, but his timing is great, his playing is solid, and his style fits the song perfectly. But then again, it's all a matter of opinion i guess.
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Have we come full circle in rock music? Is the definition of a good drummer just somebody that keeps the time? I thought we got past all of that simplistic thinking back in the late 1960's.
I hear young drummers go on and on about how great Dave Grohl is as a drummer and I want to hurl. Yes he keeps the time, but so can a wind-up toy. What has he done to contribute to making the music more interesting? (This isn't about technique, it's about artistry) He hits hard (often too hard, especially his cymbals) and drives the beat and that's about it. Does it serve the character of the music? Maybe, but does he contribute his voice to the music or is he simply keeping time and filing space? This is my criteria for judging a good drummer (a musical drummer) as opposed to a wind-up chimp with drums.
And yes, that is just my opinion.
 
Rimshot said:
Have we come full circle in rock music? Is the definition of a good drummer just somebody that keeps the time? I thought we got past all of that simplistic thinking back in the late 1960's.
I hear young drummers go on and on about how great Dave Grohl is as a drummer and I want to hurl. Yes he keeps the time, but so can a wind-up toy. What has he done to contribute to making the music more interesting? (This isn't about technique, it's about artistry) He hits hard (often too hard, especially his cymbals) and drives the beat and that's about it. Does it serve the character of the music? Maybe, but does he contribute his voice to the music or is he simply keeping time and filing space? This is my criteria for judging a good drummer (a musical drummer) as opposed to a wind-up chimp with drums.
And yes, that is just my opinion.
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Since you put it like that, he may be the best ever. I hate nonsensical, light-touch noodling around the kit. Just because a double-ratamacue-flam-diddle can fit in the space doesn't mean you should do one. While technically competent, those kinds of drummers suck.
 
Rimshot said:
but does he contribute his voice to the music or is he simply keeping time and filing space?
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Yes he does contribute his voice, he's a backup vocalist :D ok bad joke.
Anyway, I do agree with you, artistic playing is pretty amazing, but listen to nirvana, the foo fighters, qotsa, them crooked vultures. Would you want lots of fancy artistic rolls in there? He contributes tremendously to the sound of those songs, i bet most of us could instantly tell if you replaced him. And yes, i'm sure most drummers here could play what he plays, but again, they can't sound like him. To me those are signs of a good drummer, someone who's not replaceable. A few days ago i was reading a similar argument about ACDC's drummer. Most of us can play what he plays. But his playing is solid, simple, and without him the band just isn't the same. I admit he's a more hard hitting and less talented version of Bonham, but thousands of kids have started playing drums by watching him. That is influential in my books.
 
Greg_L said:
Since you put it like that, he may be the best ever. I hate nonsensical, light-touch noodling around the kit. Just because a double-ratamacue-flam-diddle can fit in the space doesn't mean you should do one. While technically competent, those kinds of drummers suck.
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Then of course, you have proved yourself wrong! Get a chimp outfit! :p
 
Greg_L said:
I look at it like this.......

I can play anything that I've heard Grohl play, and I generally suck. I like his style, but I'd never in a million years include him on any list of influential, good, or important drummers.
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That, for me, is the reason I (as a non drummer who really isn't qualified to have opinions here, but whatever, this is the net and that's never stopped anyone before! :p) have always enjoyed the guy's playing.

Listen to Nirvana pre-Grohl and post Grohl, and you'll hear a huge difference. His playing was a lot more explosive and crash-driven, in a way that (as a casual drum observer) I wasn't hearing too much of before Nirvana broke out. He may not be the most technically proficient player I've ever heard, but the shit he plays sounds cool, and I'm cool with that.*

Danny Carey, on the other hand, I idolize. That guy's phrasing is absurd, "Lateralus" and onwards - it's just so much more "circular" somehow than is really typical for a rock player.





*of course, as a guitarist who IS into pretty technical stuff, it usually bothers me when I hear people say that about hack guitarists, so I'm a total hypocrite here. :D
 
The bottom line is that music is about songs, not drumming.

Now I think it's time we got back to the original question raised on this thread :
"Has anyone tried putting their kick up their ass?"... or something like that... was that it?

For me I'd have to say "no I haven't".
 
That drummer in the pic looks like he's just trying to take up more space.
 
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