Atom Bomb
Wtf is a PRS
..... <3
love it.
leave everything the way it is.
'cept more snare.
love it.
leave everything the way it is.
'cept more snare.
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Greg_L
Banned
It's not too loud, but it is a bad mix which makes it seem un-dynamic. It sounds like a mash of mess and bad sounds. The vocals are pretty much unintelligible. Maybe you want it to sound like this, but it's pretty hard to listen to. 
kcearl
I see deaf people
link kept stopping 
its all kind jumbled together...just pan stuff out then it'll be a bit clearer whats going on..didnt seem to be much room for each instrument
hard to comment on the performance when it keeps stopping...Ill try again later
sorry dude
its all kind jumbled together...just pan stuff out then it'll be a bit clearer whats going on..didnt seem to be much room for each instrument
hard to comment on the performance when it keeps stopping...Ill try again later
sorry dude
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steppingonmars
Member
yeah there's a lot going on here, but the mix isn't the problem, it's the sources
the drums are recorded poorly, sound boxy, there's no kick and a dull snare, sounds like you've got lots of acoustic problems in the room.
the vox aren't too bad, just need some compression and lack definition, the backup vocals are too high in the mix
I think I'd like this tune if I could hear what you're saying
hope this helps
the drums are recorded poorly, sound boxy, there's no kick and a dull snare, sounds like you've got lots of acoustic problems in the room.
the vox aren't too bad, just need some compression and lack definition, the backup vocals are too high in the mix
I think I'd like this tune if I could hear what you're saying
hope this helps
VomitHatSteve
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Ok. I'll try to pan things a little farther apart and get a new mix up tomorrow evening.
The drums are actually half lo-fi trap set in an untreated room with a single mic and half randomized loops. I'm just learning to play trap, so I had to digitially butcher things to get the tempo even close to right.
I'll have to mess with my mic placement and see if I can get better results there.
Thanks for your input.
The drums are actually half lo-fi trap set in an untreated room with a single mic and half randomized loops. I'm just learning to play trap, so I had to digitially butcher things to get the tempo even close to right.
I'll have to mess with my mic placement and see if I can get better results there.
Thanks for your input.
the marquis
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what's that ringing in my right ear? synth is very distracting... why not try a weird spooky church organ or overdriven hammond. I know its not standard op pro for punk but stranger things have worked before... Ditto on the drum issue.
RawDepth
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Aaahhh, so the only mic on the drum kit is basically a "room" mic in an untreated room? Well, that explains the hollow/boxy drum sound.
No matter what you record in that room, those reflections from the bare walls will tend to change or ruin the natural sound, making things sound uglier. This is because only "certain" frequencies are reflected back and getting into the mic. The mid range (or the ugly range) tends to get compounded and exaggerated by this. The low frequencies tend to disappear and the highs tend to get blurred. All three ranges are totally working against you in that situation.
Everything will take on a much richer sound if you treat the room and control those reflections.
joeym
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Sounds pretty original to me...
Don't know about the mix though. I can't hear the drums at all and the voices are kinda buried. The rest is probbably the way you picture it in your mind, so if that's OK with you, that's cool.
Joey
Don't know about the mix though. I can't hear the drums at all and the voices are kinda buried. The rest is probbably the way you picture it in your mind, so if that's OK with you, that's cool.
Joey
VomitHatSteve
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This morning I played around with mic placement for the drums. It seemed to work better when I put the mic (a Tascam DR-1 actually) on the floor a foot or two from the drums. I may retrack that part once I get good enough at playing trap that I can record the part without needing to butcher it in post.
Unfortunately, it's not my room (or drum kit even) so treating it isn't really an option.
The synths are actually all manually programmed in Reaper. They're designed to randomly vamp on chord-appropriate notes, so as you can probably guess, it can be hard to get them to sound really good sometimes!
As soon as I get home from work, I'll put together a new mix!
Unfortunately, it's not my room (or drum kit even) so treating it isn't really an option.
The synths are actually all manually programmed in Reaper. They're designed to randomly vamp on chord-appropriate notes, so as you can probably guess, it can be hard to get them to sound really good sometimes!
As soon as I get home from work, I'll put together a new mix!
queepy
aka Variaxman
Love the lyrics! "Nodding your head constitutes acceptance of the end-user license agreement"
...Yeah, its not a huge sonic landscape, but it sounds like its played and sung with conviction,which counts for a lot when I listen to bands... I dig it!
...Yeah, its not a huge sonic landscape, but it sounds like its played and sung with conviction,which counts for a lot when I listen to bands... I dig it!
TeyshaBlue
It's the smell..
This one's tough. I immediately cut 10db @ 500hz, about 7 @ 250hz, and then added 3db at 1k.
The mix became much clearer and the vocals jumped out in the mix a little better. There's a tremendous amount of fighting going on 250-550 hz and the lead vox are just getting pummeled. The guitars are so wedded to their frequencies that I have a difficult time seperating them as I listen. Panning - slight eq tweaks on one of the tracks can help them emerge from the mashup in the middle somewhat.
There's not much that can be done from a global/mastering perspective aside for the eq tweaks above...and you might even add 8-10db below 100hz to get the bass guitar involved in the mix.
Is there anyway you can get any mics on the drum kit? One mic solutions can be pretty difficult to pull off.
The tune's pretty cool. The arrangement is killer...love the breaks.
It's reminding me of something from the mid-80's that I can't put my finger on.
Keep working on this one...it's a keeper.
The mix became much clearer and the vocals jumped out in the mix a little better. There's a tremendous amount of fighting going on 250-550 hz and the lead vox are just getting pummeled. The guitars are so wedded to their frequencies that I have a difficult time seperating them as I listen. Panning - slight eq tweaks on one of the tracks can help them emerge from the mashup in the middle somewhat.
There's not much that can be done from a global/mastering perspective aside for the eq tweaks above...and you might even add 8-10db below 100hz to get the bass guitar involved in the mix.
Is there anyway you can get any mics on the drum kit? One mic solutions can be pretty difficult to pull off.
The tune's pretty cool. The arrangement is killer...love the breaks.
It's reminding me of something from the mid-80's that I can't put my finger on.
Keep working on this one...it's a keeper.
VomitHatSteve
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Thanks Queepy and Teysha.
That bridge is actually one of my favorite bridges I've ever written. It doesn't feel forced to me at all.
How did you come up with those EQ frequencies, Teysha? I don't know EQ or mastering very well, so it'd be good to know these things.
That bridge is actually one of my favorite bridges I've ever written. It doesn't feel forced to me at all.
How did you come up with those EQ frequencies, Teysha? I don't know EQ or mastering very well, so it'd be good to know these things.
TeyshaBlue
It's the smell..
About a zillion hours of running live sound. When you're ringing out the system prior to a soundcheck, your ears get trained real quick to pinpoint the frequency of a particular episode of feedback. You're either quick or deaf, which probably explains my hearing problems in my left ear.
I also have an old ADC EQ/Spectrum analyzer for visual reference in my office stereo system which is basically a shrine to silver faced audio gear from a couple of decades ago.
Llarion
New member
Llarion
New member
OK, I fixed the link and found it...
This is clutted by at least half. This sounds it needs to be stripped of any keyboards and turned into pure guitar punk. As it sits, it's messy Devo. It's almost impossible to analyze, it's so busy.
The drums are barely present at all. A one-mic record of drums is nigh onto impossible to do. That said, when I used to have to do it, I had the mic about a foot from the floor, equidistant from the front of the bass drum, the snare, and the hats, pointed mostly up. about where a crash cymbal stand would sit. At least, you get the main elements in that way.
Sounds like it's gonna be a good tune, it's got a reasonable hook, but it needs clarity as a first step to breath some air, and life, into it.... Good start!!
This is clutted by at least half. This sounds it needs to be stripped of any keyboards and turned into pure guitar punk. As it sits, it's messy Devo. It's almost impossible to analyze, it's so busy.
The drums are barely present at all. A one-mic record of drums is nigh onto impossible to do. That said, when I used to have to do it, I had the mic about a foot from the floor, equidistant from the front of the bass drum, the snare, and the hats, pointed mostly up. about where a crash cymbal stand would sit.
At least, you get the main elements in that way. Sounds like it's gonna be a good tune, it's got a reasonable hook, but it needs clarity as a first step to breath some air, and life, into it.... Good start!!
VomitHatSteve
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403 error, I'm not allowed to hear.
Sorry about that, I just moved to a Linux server (from Windows), and it's a lot pickier about getting your URLs exactly right (capitals, escaped spaces, etc.)
I've got a new version up, taking into everyone's recommendations as seemed appropriate.
I brought the lead vocals up a bit.
I brought the backup vocals down in a few places.
I completely cut some guitars and backup vocals in some places to add more contrast and variety through the song.
I brought the drums up, especially the synth drums (which sound the way I want them to, unlike the real ones.
), and I eq'd the analog drums much higher in the low end and lower in the middle.I decreased the frequencies Teysha suggested on the rhythm guitars and increased the ones you suggested on the lead guitar.
I panned most things a little farther out.
I EQ'd the synth to be a little less harsh.
Hopefully, it works a little better now!
Thanks so much for your input everyone.
In case anyone is concerned since it's not in the tab, the "female" vocals are Yamaha's Vocaloid, and they're singing...
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Erockrazor
I mix in (2x) real-time
Steve!
Tried your link on top and it didnt work. Came back and found the link further in the thread! Glad I did.
There's something really attractive about your music. I really really enjoyed listening to this! I actually think the performance is pretty freaking good. It's loose rhythmically but it's pretty energetic for me..
I think if you could get those drums sounding better you'd be in a bit better shape. It sounded like you recorded the drums with one microphone 15 back from the set in an untreated basement.
All of the tracks have the room kinda stamped on it. Or at least I feel that way. I like the keyboard.
What chain are you running? This your band?
Tried your link on top and it didnt work. Came back and found the link further in the thread! Glad I did.
There's something really attractive about your music. I really really enjoyed listening to this! I actually think the performance is pretty freaking good. It's loose rhythmically but it's pretty energetic for me..
I think if you could get those drums sounding better you'd be in a bit better shape. It sounded like you recorded the drums with one microphone 15 back from the set in an untreated basement.
All of the tracks have the room kinda stamped on it. Or at least I feel that way. I like the keyboard.
What chain are you running? This your band?
VomitHatSteve
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That's about right, except that it's on the second story.
It's theoretically my band, but the keyboardist hasn't contributed his parts yet. (Nor has he written them... Or heard the song... There are difficulties with having a band where both members are on opposite sides of the state.)
kcearl
I see deaf people
yup much better...dont know why the top link kept stopping..
Id say get those lead vocals even further up..id have them right up front..
good performance and arragement...drums are the weak link as you know...much better, liked it loads
Id say get those lead vocals even further up..id have them right up front..
good performance and arragement...drums are the weak link as you know...much better, liked it loads