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Riffmaster said:
Right after the echo at the end of the guitar solo, when the vocal comes back in.
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Thanx, I didn't have the patience to listen to the whole tune to find it. I'll go check it out now.....

YUP!! That's pretty much it. :cool:


I ended up doing it by reversing the line I sang, putting a lot of reverb on the last word, and then reversing that and putting it in to end when the word starts.

Thanx for all the help, guys.:)
 
RAMI said:
Thanx, I didn't have the patience to listen to the whole tune to find it. I'll go check it out now.....

YUP!! That's pretty much it. :cool:


I ended up doing it by reversing the line I sang, putting a lot of reverb on the last word, and then reversing that and putting it in to end when the word starts.

Thanx for all the help, guys.:)
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Cool, now post it and let us hear it! :D
 
you're talking about the "ghost" effect?

it's been answered already, but yeah, it's really easy to do actually. Like if you have a good reverb unit with reverse, you could set your verb normally (good hall verb works really well) and set the dry/wet levels somewhere around 50/50 as a starting point.

In terms of aligning that, it's the same as was suggested (copy track, apply 100% wet then go in there and bring it up against the dry track.)

Now to get it moving foward instead of backwards, then I suppose you could start off with the reversed dry track and do the process "backwards" so it ends up facing forward.
 
This is the kind of thing to use sparingly - too much and it's just an overused gimmick - but I like using delay in place of verb. Or, if you happen to have a wicked-sounding tremolo (hard to find these days, it seems), that can be even sweeter.

With any of them, IMHO, the real trick is picking the right fade-in duration.

G.
 
pipelineaudio said:
if you are in reaper then simply add the preverb and reverse modules to ReaVerb

You can even pull the scorpion's reverse snare reverb like this

otherwise do like glen said, turn the track around, slam it 100% wet with reverb, then add it back to the original
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Do they only work in Reaper? (Rea Effects)

(I know I need to make the switch!)
 
pipelineaudio said:
if you are in reaper then simply add the preverb and reverse modules to ReaVerb

You can even pull the scorpion's reverse snare reverb like this

otherwise do like glen said, turn the track around, slam it 100% wet with reverb, then add it back to the original
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I ended up trying it Glen's way. I really have to get more into Reaper and figure out how to use it more effectively. I tried reading the manual, and ended up yawning and scratching my head a lot. I guess this next six months without internet or distractions will help a lot. The last six months got me where I am now: competative in a mix contest! :D :cool:
 
Pfff, backwards reverb is easy. Backwards delay, now there's a challenge. I'd post a link to the clip I just uploaded to lightningmp3, but I haven't gotten a confirmation email yet........
 
I think it's the effect on Stone Sour's "Your God" you're talking about (wwwwwhhhhhaaaaat am I supposed to do now...) right at the start of the song. Really love that effect....
Glen, after processing the sample backwards, do you put it on the same track and fade it in or on a separate track?
 
MadAudio said:
Pfff, backwards reverb is easy. Backwards delay, now there's a challenge. I'd post a link to the clip I just uploaded to lightningmp3, but I haven't gotten a confirmation email yet........
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Oh!....You're back????

:D :D :D
 
pipelineaudio said:
if you are in reaper then simply add the preverb and reverse modules to ReaVerb

You can even pull the scorpion's reverse snare reverb like this

otherwise do like glen said, turn the track around, slam it 100% wet with reverb, then add it back to the original
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Slight thread detour...

Pipeline...I'm not seeing a "preverb" module in reaverb...is it something not included (to be found on the reaper site)?

I know it can be horribly misplaced, but I really dig the reverse snare sound once in awhile.

**EDIT**

Nevermind, I'm an idiot.
 
RAMI said:
...get a vocal line to sound like it's coming in backwards (reversed), but it's not reversed. I wish I could find an example of what I'm talking about, but I've heard it often.

It usually sounds like it's coming in starting out like a reverse reverb, the envelope of the vocal sounds reversed, but the word is not backwards. You know what I'm saying???

I was going to try to sing the word pronouncing it backwards, and then reverse that to "tape"...but there's got to be an easier way.:confused:

In case I'm not making myself clear, I'll try to explain it this way, while I search for examples of what I'm talking about:

Let's say I want the word "falling" to fade in sounding like it's reversed. But, you still hear "f-a-l-l-i-n-g"....as opposed to "g-n-i-l-l-a-f". I hope that helps explain it.
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This was an old tape trick. First you record the vocal, then turn the tape around and run the vocal through a reverb unit recording the reverb on another channel. Flip the tape back and you have it. I still use that trick today.
 
joeym said:
Glen, after processing the sample backwards, do you put it on the same track and fade it in or on a separate track?
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Two different questions there if I read you right...

What I usually is just make a copy of the original track as the very first step. Then mute the original and put the reverse verb/delay processing on the copy. It's just a workflow thing for me; when I'm applying a multi-step effect that isn't just simply chaining some plugs together, I like to render the effect when done before I continue with the rest of the stuff. Doing it to a copy of the track makes it easier for me to remember to save/render it to a different file name and not accidentally do a "Save As" to the original file.

And I'm glad you mentioned the fade part. For me anyway, what can make the difference between just another reverse verb or delay and one that is really a sit up and take notice effect is getting the fade length and slope right. I've used the effect a few times in the past (sometimes for real, sometimes just messing around), and IMHO there are times when a half-beat to two-beat pre-effect seems to work best, and there are other times where one may start bringing it in very slowly two full measures back into the previous verse. It all depends and is a completely artistic decision only, but the effects can be quite different.

As far as performing an actual fade, sometimes it's helpful to put a different slope on the fade in than the natural reversed decay gives you. Sometimes for a different sound, sometimes because it's just easier to do that than to try a bunch of trial-and-error verb settings. When I use the fade, I just use level automation on the effect-ed track.

G.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
Two different questions there if I read you right...

What I usually is just make a copy of the original track as the very first step. Then mute the original and put the reverse verb/delay processing on the copy. It's just a workflow thing for me; when I'm applying a multi-step effect that isn't just simply chaining some plugs together, I like to render the effect when done before I continue with the rest of the stuff. Doing it to a copy of the track makes it easier for me to remember to save/render it to a different file name and not accidentally do a "Save As" to the original file.

And I'm glad you mentioned the fade part. For me anyway, what can make the difference between just another reverse verb or delay and one that is really a sit up and take notice effect is getting the fade length and slope right. I've used the effect a few times in the past (sometimes for real, sometimes just messing around), and IMHO there are times when a half-beat to two-beat pre-effect seems to work best, and there are other times where one may start bringing it in very slowly two full measures back into the previous verse. It all depends and is a completely artistic decision only, but the effects can be quite different.

As far as performing an actual fade, sometimes it's helpful to put a different slope on the fade in than the natural reversed decay gives you. Sometimes for a different sound, sometimes because it's just easier to do that than to try a bunch of trial-and-error verb settings. When I use the fade, I just use level automation on the effect-ed track.

G.
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Great, thanx! ;)
Can't wait to try it out.

Cheers
Joe
 
RAMI said:
Oh!....You're back????

:D :D :D
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Yeah, but don't tell anyone! :D

For some reason my ISP is blocking emails from lightningmp3, but NL5 was nice enough to help me out. Here is what I was talking about. I did this as an experiment. It's backup vocals for one of Jamie Holiday's songs. He liked it so much we ended up using it as an intro/outro for the song.
 
I tried messing with this technique today on a guitar part I recorded of my friend earlier this week. I think it sounds pretty interesting. I think it's a little hard to tell because the recorded guitar had some reverb on it already but I tried doing what the author in one of the links suggested. I have my reverse verb panned left, original center, normal verb panned right.

 
Is the effect kinda like the beginning to matallicas "Nothing Else Matters"?
 
A good example of this technique was used on A linkipark remix/remake/cover on the album Reanimation the is song Krwlng done by Mike Shinoda, and Aaron Lewis.

And when it comes to backwards delays... I do that stuf manually. Find the part I want delayed out, copy past as many time sat need, reverse the clips, space out acordingly as well as ajust the gain accordingly, ad some reverb to fill it out a bit, and give it som room.

It can take some time but it comes out perfect every time. If I had to do it for something lengthy like a guitar pat. I would bust out the calculator, and do the math.
 
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