Tube amps on a budget...

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Tone is probably more in the fingers than in the stuff we all have wired together 'eh? I mean I could take Gilmour's rig or Claptons, etc and still sound like ME - they could take my cheapassed stuff and probably still sound like THEM!

If that were true, then people giving lessons would be rich and the gear peddlers would be starving.

Have you ever heard Gilmour play a Supro thru an old Champ? Even his fingers aint gonna bring that rig to life!
 
I have never played through, or recorded an Orange amp. I would love to try one, as I've yet to hear anything bad said about them (except for the price).

They definitely stand out from the crowd with a unique sound, especially thru a large cab.
 
You know, if you tried real hard, I think you could get even a little more condescending... ;^)

Heck, I don't own a Peavey amp, but I've heard plenty of them on stage around here, and some even get what I would call a really decent tone. What you have given us is your opinion, nothing more, and you're entitled to it. It ain't absolute.

Ok, list all the major acts that use Peavey. It will be a very, very, very small list. Now, why do you think that is? That is not an opinion, but a fact. There is nothing condensending about it. I've seen, and see tons of major acts, From Barbra Streisand, to John Denver, to Slayer and even small scale acts, and can count on one hand (not including the thumb, and middle finger) how many times I've seen any Peavey guitar amps on stage. Again, why is that?
Answer: The same reason you don't see pro's playing Curt, or Peavey guitars. It's simply not professional gear.....and for a reason. It's not even the target market.

The only reason EVH used a 5150 is because he had an endorsment deal. They paid him. Even then he had to have one custom designed. Don't see any major acts using them.
 
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Hi everybody. This is my first post so I decided on a baptism by fire. :D I really don't think there's are too many right or wrong answers in this thread. Most of the amps that folks have posted about are decent sounding. Yes there are some that are better than others but that's a matter of taste and there's no accounting for that. :rolleyes:

One thing that's certain about taste is that it changes. I would like to think it matures. Just because I like the way an amp sounds now doesn't mean I'll still feel the same way in five years. I used to swear by Marshall amps but after a few years they started sounding way too thin - no bottom. That's what my ears told me. Some one else may hear/see it differently.

The best advice I can give is to set a price limit and start going to shops and listening. Sometimes it's a good idea to let a sales rep or friend play through the amp so you can devote your whole self to the experience. Just make sure they're not using any bells-and-whistles like reverb, chorus, etc... Listen to the amps clean sound and try to be as critical as possible. Don't forget to check out the used gear section. There are great bargains to be had if you know what you're doing. If you don't - try and bring along some one who does.

The type of music you play makes a difference as well as what kind of instrument you're putting through it. I've seen a lot of steel guitarists using Peavey amps on stage at the Grand Old Opry.

In the end you'll have to trust your own ears and not the opinion of other's. I hope this helps.
 
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well said. Jimmy Page recorded Led Zeppelin 1 on a cheapassed lil' Supro amp. It ain't whatcha got - IT'S HOW YA" SLING IT. It takes 1 thing to make it in music - it ain't a high-priced guitar or an expensive OVERPRICED amp - it's called "a song". Get that and you're on your way.
 
You wanna know what a dated amp sounds like? It's a Mesa Boogie Mark IV. That's the sound of the 80s ... and not in a good way.

Odd, since it came out in the nineties.


The sound of the eighties was modded plexi Marshals, by the by. Just ask Eddie.


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You wanna know what a dated amp sounds like? It's a Mesa Boogie Mark IV. That's the sound of the 80s ... and not in a good way.

Odd, since it came out in the nineties.


The sound of the eighties was modded plexi Marshals, by the by. Just ask Eddie.


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By the by, not saying they don't suck - if there was ever an amp that was the complete antithisis of my preference in amps, that would be the one. I'm thinking of building myself a new amp with nothing but a volume control (cause, you know, tone controls are pretty useless to my ears - they always sound best when they are all the way up, which is to say out of the circuit).


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Odd, since it came out in the nineties.


The sound of the eighties was modded plexi Marshals, by the by. Just ask Eddie.


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Ahhh .. I guess you're right. Very early 90s like 91 maybe. I associate that amp and that time with the late 80s sound because my roommate at that time (1st year in college) was way into all the studio guys.


When you say "by the by," do you mean "by the way?" I've never heard the expression "by the by."
 
By the by, not saying they don't suck - if there was ever an amp that was the complete antithisis of my preference in amps, that would be the one. I'm thinking of building myself a new amp with nothing but a volume control (cause, you know, tone controls are pretty useless to my ears - they always sound best when they are all the way up, which is to say out of the circuit).


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Well ... not all tone circuits operate that way, but most of them do.
 
If you insist on a "budget amp" check this out:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Peavey-VTM-60-p...ryZ10171QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Guy is talking it up a bit much, but it's a decent sounding tube head that can be had for $200 or less, which leaves $300 in your budget for a 4x12 cab. I used one of these when I decided I didn't want the JCM800 anymore because I was tired of sounding like everyone else. I used the VTM60 for 2 years before discovering Boogie. For a "budget" amp, you will not be disappointed.
 
well said. Jimmy Page recorded Led Zeppelin 1 on a cheapassed lil' Supro amp. It ain't whatcha got - IT'S HOW YA" SLING IT. It takes 1 thing to make it in music - it ain't a high-priced guitar or an expensive OVERPRICED amp - it's called "a song". Get that and you're on your way.

I recorded my first album on the board used on Zep II. Not one piece of cheap "budget" gear to be found anywhere around that studio.

BTW...I wouldn't call Jimmy's tone on Zep 1 "great".;)


AND...good production can make, or break a song.
Example: Whitesnakes "Here I go again". First release was lame production, and tone, and was not a hit I (in fact, most people don't even realize it was ever recorded, and released twice years apart). Rerecorded, and re-released a few years later with better production, and better tone.....number 1 hit.
 
Weren't early boogies essentially modded fenders?

A Little History
by Randall Smith (Disigner/President of Mesa Boogie)

Introduced in 1970, the Boogies proved to be absolute giant killers (in
more ways than one) and began to re-define forever what a guitar amp could be and do. A small company working closely with leading players and fiercely dedicated to innovation and quality made a successful end-run around the sleeping giants of the industry.

The first Boogie was built as a practical joke (How far out can I boost
this little amp?)...but was in fact so practical in the real sense that top
players saw it, heard it, and began demanding their own. They also liked
the wolf-in-sheeps-clothing approach. Built inside a deceitfully stock
looking Fender Princeton was a hot-rodded circuit based on the 4x10 tweed Bassman.


American Ingenuity
The trick was to get all the high power electronics, big transformers and a JBL twelve built reliably inside a package that was intended to house a ten inch speaker and produce twelve watts! But it was worth the effort. The quote from one of the hottest local guitar slingers, Carlos Santana was,
"Man, that little thing really Boogies!" Thus the name was born. Over two hundred of those Princeton Boogies were built between 1967 and 1970 up a dirt path in a mountain workshop that I converted from a dog kennel built for racing greyhounds. Today, most of those "pre-Boogies" are still around, alive and treasured by their owners.

The original "Home of Tone," the Dog House workshop shack in Lagunitas, had crescent moons on doors that are remnants from the original Princeton baffle boards, cut out to hold 12" speakers.


Out of the Dog House
Tearing apart Fender Princetons eventually became too inefficient a way to build a Boogie as the demand kept growing. Moreover, CBS Fender was getting suspicious about the number of transformers being sold to an
obscure location in Northern California and cut off the supply. It was
clearly time to move on.

Into the Garage
So I moved out of the dog kennel Tone Shack and started building a
two-story garage/studio with reject wood I trucked down directly from the
saw mills. The truck was so overloaded we had to drive five miles through
a pear orchard to avoid the Highway Patrol weigh station! Cash was needed to order custom transformers directly from the manufacturer, so when I wasn't rebuilding my own 3/4 race Bug Eye Sprite, I moonlighted by rebuilding old Mercedes-Benz engines for others. I liked the powerful,
high-quality feeling of those super-balanced crankshafts, beefy cam
bearings and alloy covers. A Benz engine is a high power, smooth running
jewel. Combining this mechanical excellence with the exhilaration of
whipping a British race car around the mountain roads of California was the impetus behind my amplifier ideas: Performance that breeds inspiration combined with reliability that builds assurance.

First Hand Experience
Nearly every part of those first Mark I Boogies was produced in that
garage: nameplates were silk-screened, sheet metal chasses were hand
punched, wiring and cabinet building were done by hand...even the printed circuit boards were screened and etched there. My experience with the Mercedes engines had demonstrated again that quality creates pride in work...and that quality must extend down through every little part in order to produce outstanding reliability and performance.

VALUE
Above all else, any MESA/Boogie you purchase will be an investment of
lasting value. Ask yourself how much you've spent on lesser amplifiers?
How much did you lose in performance, and musical satisfaction? How much did you lose when selling or trading in? With MESA/Boogie you get more than just our fanatical devotion to performance and quality, You get Us, our resources and our 25 years of expertise. No one else stands behind their products like we do, guaranteeing lasting satisfaction and seeing that each customer is treated as we ourselves would like to be. We understand you because we are musicians ourselves. And we are committed to making your MESA/Boogie one of the most rewarding purchases of your life.
 
If you insist on a "budget amp" check this out:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Peavey-VTM-60-p...ryZ10171QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Guy is talking it up a bit much, but it's a decent sounding tube head that can be had for $200 or less, which leaves $300 in your budget for a 4x12 cab. I used one of these when I decided I didn't want the JCM800 anymore because I was tired of sounding like everyone else. I used the VTM60 for 2 years before discovering Boogie. For a "budget" amp, you will not be disappointed.

Wow, from Toker a rec for a Peavey amp <picks self up off the floor>! ;^)

Again, ignore (or at least keep in perspective) what you read in here (including what I write) and trust your ears. Get what works for you, be it Fender, Marshall, Boogie... and yes, even Peavey. If it works, it works; who made it is secondary, and so is which exalted rock stars use it. Buy the best amp you can afford (I think we all can agree on that), but what defines "best" is an individual, subjective thing.
 
Have I mentioned that I own more than one Peavey?;)

I just don't recommend them, other than that one, and only then to be considered a "budget amp".
 
I actually like them, and have both albums. However, the over compressed guitar sounds exactly the same in every song. As much as I like them, I can't get through a whole CD at a time because every song sounds the same.

BTW....that tone you like MESA DUAL RECTIFIER!
 
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