Autotune Lets Talk NOT FLAME!

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Ok so what do you use it for and settings. I straight line everything and set at about 15 retune speed. Why? Not because I cant sing but because that is my style of music, the overtuned yellowcard, blink 182, simple plan style. Please no flaming and lets have a civilized convo. And no autotune is stupid remarks. It is a tool like any other to enhance.
 
Auto tune is stupid :) (sorry, you asked for it)


You should use it to correct a mistake here and there only, not to create a style of music. It's a tool to fix a problem, not to enhance a song.IMHO :p:rolleyes::o
 
I've used it a couple of times as an effect on the second vocal with quite extreme settings which gave me a good result when matched with a straight ahead main vox.

So i've got nothing against it or people who use it but in the main i like to keep my vox au naturelle (i.e flat and with real wonky notes!):)
 
I'm not going to bash auto-tune. I promise.

Just the tone-deaf twits who (have to) use it.

:D

Just kidding. What do you want to talk about? I mean, like, did you have a question or did you just wanna' shoot the autotune breeze? Yea, it's a tool, it has it's uses, it's ruining pop music, :D ... bla bla bla bla bla ... Glad we could talk.
 
Let's put it this way... with Auto-Tune, I'm a decent cello player. That's all I'm going to say on the matter. That and that iLok sucks. :D
 
Urgh.

You'll find autotune can be abused extensively. Incubus has done it, Hannah Montana's done it...you'd be surprised.


Some truths either from my experiences or common knowledge:

A) Autotune is a blessing as much as it is a curse.
B) Pitch correcting software is not perfect, so I would avoid "set it and forget it" probably 110 percent of the time
C) Autotune is best reserved for spot editing.
D) 9 times out of 10 you'll find that simply practicing your lines and doing it right *naturally* will sound more believable than a single pass through the demon spawn that is autotune.
F) And no, Cher didn't use Autotune on that one song everyone talks about.


I've gotta go confess my sins now. I feel dirty.
 
So you just wanna use it as a vox FX? That's cool if it works for you.
 
NYMorningstar said:
Auto tune is stupid :) (sorry, you asked for it)


You should use it to correct a mistake here and there only, not to create a style of music. It's a tool to fix a problem, not to enhance a song.IMHO :p:rolleyes::o
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I respectfully disagree. I think that it is very important on pop stuff. It gives it that overall sheen that people like. That I like. I think you have to take into account the type of music you use it with. I would say that I use it as an effect in the sense I like my vocals pitch perfect because it sounds good to me. I just wonder what your guy's settings (retune, auto,graphical) are and when where how you use it. Like I said above I use 15 retune speed and straight line it all graphical mode.
 
punkrocker said:
I respectfully disagree. I think that it is very important on pop stuff. It gives it that overall sheen that people like.
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Also with respectful disagreement: If people preferred an artificial voice to a real one, American I-Dull would not be the cultural phenom that it is. It's not used on Britney and Ashlee and Hannah and so forth because that's the "sheen" sound the producers had in their head - at least not at the start - but simply because those gals can't sing all that well.

Granted, now we're in a derivative generation that says "let's use it because that's what Britney and the lot sound like, and we wanna be copycats and get our piece of that gold rush", but that's not exactly being innovative or creatively enhancing anything.

I can understand and agree with you that any tool that changes the sound of something can be used creatively for purposes other than what it was originally designed for. That is a valid point.

However, I see vocals as being a somewhat different story. Even if one's pitch is spot on and they can carry a tune with both hands tied behind their backs, the whole idea behind regularly or consistantly using an effect to change the timbre of the voice is still an indication that the vocalist is not doing their full job.

You're into punk and pop punk. Did Joe Strummer or Joey Ramone need any Autotune sheen? Not exactly a couple of Luciano Pavorottis there, quite the opposite. Yet they knew how to deliver without any digital crutches. In fact, now that I think about it, since when did the punk sound - even the neo-punk stuff - ever have anything to do with conforming to anything popular?

G.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
In fact, now that I think about it, since when did the punk sound - even the neo-punk stuff - ever have anything to do with conforming to anything popular?

G.
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Its ALL about conformity. Calling it "punk" is actually pretty insulting, but there it is.

The rulebook these kids use is staggering. Whatever effect is in heavy use that week they want. If you cant find an effect on a current CD you cant use it. Used to be no leads but now that's changed a bit.

The autotune thing the OP is talking about really IS an effect. It's got nothing to do with pitch.

First they use autotune or melodyne or whatever in graphical mode to get the pitches right, THEN they put it on auto often on an aux send, so the original graphically corrected track is still playing while a auto autotuned track is playing in parallel

This makes the metallic, yet chorusey sound you hear in a lot of the pop 40 blink day 182 guys

Then you got the Beyonce style which is just run the track thru auto mode in series to make that sillly "grabbed" sound
 
I use it in graphical mode with the speed decked. But I take great pains to make it sound natural. I never flat line anything.
 
LeeRosario said:
Urgh.


F) And no, Cher didn't use Autotune on that one song everyone talks about.


I've gotta go confess my sins now. I feel dirty.
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WHAT!!! ive been living a dang lie all these years...what does she use?
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
Also with respectful disagreement: If people preferred an artificial voice to a real one, American I-Dull would not be the cultural phenom that it is. It's not used on Britney and Ashlee and Hannah and so forth because that's the "sheen" sound the producers had in their head - at least not at the start - but simply because those gals can't sing all that well.

Granted, now we're in a derivative generation that says "let's use it because that's what Britney and the lot sound like, and we wanna be copycats and get our piece of that gold rush", but that's not exactly being innovative or creatively enhancing anything.

I can understand and agree with you that any tool that changes the sound of something can be used creatively for purposes other than what it was originally designed for. That is a valid point.

However, I see vocals as being a somewhat different story. Even if one's pitch is spot on and they can carry a tune with both hands tied behind their backs, the whole idea behind regularly or consistantly using an effect to change the timbre of the voice is still an indication that the vocalist is not doing their full job.

You're into punk and pop punk. Did Joe Strummer or Joey Ramone need any Autotune sheen? Not exactly a couple of Luciano Pavorottis there, quite the opposite. Yet they knew how to deliver without any digital crutches. In fact, now that I think about it, since when did the punk sound - even the neo-punk stuff - ever have anything to do with conforming to anything popular?

G.
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its true that they didn't but i use it more because i like every pitch perfect because that sounds good with that style of music to me. like i said i can sing quite well but i like autotune because of the sheen it gives. to me its just like heavy compression or exceptionally bright eq.
 
Farview said:
I use it in graphical mode with the speed decked. But I take great pains to make it sound natural. I never flat line anything.
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thanks for someone for finally actually answering my question. interesting i will definitely give your method a shot.
 
punkrocker said:
thanks for someone for finally actually answering my question. interesting i will definitely give your method a shot.
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The trick is to keep the singers inflection, just move it a little more on pitch. I only do this for notes that are off pitch, not the whole performance.
 
Farview said:
It was a vocorder.
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I thought the deal with that was the producer told everybody it was a vocoder hoping to throw them off the tracks, but eventually admitted years later it was Autotune. I'll have to see if I can find where I saw that.
 
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