What Am I Missing for Large D Dynamics?

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nothing good has ever been recorded using a mic that has a ND magnet??
 
mrface2112 said:
DaisyRock--

That's b/c your fridge was too far from the oven. Open the oven door and turn it up to 475 and you will be amazed at how much warmer your recordings sound.

make sure you don't have the AC on.....and sometimes things sound better the closer your head is to the oven.


cheers,
wade
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I tried one of those paper clip magnets I picked up cheap from Office Depot.

Put it over the heating vent for a few hours.

Sonic perfection.
 
Did you miss this entire section of the post you are quoting?

I have no doubt that rare-earth based mics sound different than alnico or ferrite mics for this reason. However, I'm not at all ready to say that they are "better"- they are just different. If you're really that worried about the neodymium structures, then you should probably skip out on anything labeled "rare earth" or "samarium cobalt" as well. But frankly, I wouldn't worry about the material at all, and just use your ears. I'd bet a beer that some of your favorite sounding dynamics use rare earth magnets of one or the other flavors, these days- they are just much more efficient than ferrite or alnico.
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It is like saying you will only use copper to transmit data as fiber optics are bad... Huh? It is all in how it is designed and used... not in the material itself. I don't know why ND is even part of the discussion. What do you think ND does that you are trying to avoid?
 
Well, if you re-read the posts, you will get the gist of it, that being it's not the magnet by itself, but rather how they changed the designs of the whole mic when they started using the more powerful nd magnets. Using the nd magnets allowed them to change the other design specs, making things lighter, smaller coils, lighter diaphragms, etc. while perhaps wanting us to believe that the result is the same sound only hotter, louder, and better.....

But to my ears and my music, the result is not better. Hotter? Yes. Louder? Yes. Better? NO!

I've done a lot of side by side, everything in the chain identical except switching out nd mics and non-nd mics, playing and recording the exact same material, then listen to several tracks side by side. I have done this on my guitar cab with at least 3 dozen different mics, and in every case I have concluded - for my taste, my ears, my music, my recordings, my goals - the nd mic tracks are less desirable than the non-nd mic tracks.

The mistake was in me thinking the magnet material itself was solely responsible for the difference in the sound. It's more accurate to say that the magnet material helped facilitate changes in overall mic design that led to the differences in the sounds. And I have learned the hard and expensive way that overall I do not like the sound of neodym-based mics.

That's why I posted the question in the first place......to understand why they sound different, and which non-neodym large diaphragm mics am I overlooking in my tone quest.
 
Well, to quote the Isley Brothers

"It's your thing. Do what you wanna do.":rolleyes:




Have fun on your quest, where ever it leads.;)
 
I prefer to just listen to a mic itself without preconceived notions about how it will sound based on looks, name, where it was made or materials used. If you do that, you will find some very, very,VERY interesting things which you wouldn't have suspected if you were using your "brain" to pick the mic.
 
drBill said:
I prefer to just listen to a mic itself without preconceived notions about how it will sound based on looks, name, where it was made or materials used. If you do that, you will find some very, very,VERY interesting things which you wouldn't have suspected if you were using your "brain" to pick the mic.
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Where's the fun in that? It's easier just to find out what the magnet is inside and instantly rule it out as crap!

WELL, I have a busy day ahead of me. I have to call a ton of recording engineers and producers and have them pull every recording done using a Beta 52 on kick (and probably one of the best kick mics made) from the store shelves. Bobo here says nothing ever recorded with an ND mic is any good.

Sheesh, what do producers know anyway.:rolleyes:
 
PhilGood said:
Where's the fun in that? It's easier just to find out what the magnet is inside and instantly rule it out as crap!

WELL, I have a busy day ahead of me. I have to call a ton of recording engineers and producers and have them pull every recording done using a Beta 52 on kick (and probably one of the best kick mics made) from the store shelves. Bobo here says nothing ever recorded with an ND mic is any good.

Sheesh, what do producers know anyway.:rolleyes:
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LOL
:D:D:D:D

I love the Beta 52 as well. Great mic for K.
 
The.... buzz.... words.... are... too.... powerful.....

And if you are really THAT much of a tone freak... um, dial in your amp to sound as you want and get an omni SDC like an Earthworks... super accurate with next to no coloration. As close to real life as you are ever going to get. Dynamics (regardless of construction) are going to be colored to a point by their nature.
 
What a ridiculous thread. What BS forum have you been browsing that says ND mags are bad? I'd love to hear your A/B samples too and let us hear how bad those suckers sound.
 
soundchaser59 said:
If you dont care what it sounds like, then you dont need to care what it's made of.....
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shut up you ass, the point i'm trying to make is that the sound is what matters, not the exact make of the magnet.
lots of good dynamics are mace with nd magnets.

p.s.
up yours.
 
giraffe said:
shut up you ass, the point i'm trying to make is that the sound is what matters, not the exact make of the magnet.
lots of good dynamics are mace with nd magnets.

p.s.
up yours.
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This is why ignore lists were invented. Please add me to yours right away.
 
PhilGood said:
Where's the fun in that? It's easier just to find out what the magnet is inside and instantly rule it out as crap!

WELL, I have a busy day ahead of me. I have to call a ton of recording engineers and producers and have them pull every recording done using a Beta 52 on kick (and probably one of the best kick mics made) from the store shelves. Bobo here says nothing ever recorded with an ND mic is any good.

Sheesh, what do producers know anyway.:rolleyes:
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Bobo was quoting me, just to get you riled up. That was too easy. Works every time..... :cool:
 
I swear to God, this is exactly like a conversation I overheard in the 8th grade when one of the boys decided he didn't like the band Rush anymore.... :rolleyes:
 
giraffe said:
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What did you say? I cant see you......darn ignore list is working again. Drat!

Sorry, can you say it again.......bigger font this time.....
 
I think I cant stay away from this place for the same reason a dog cant stop sniffing butts....... there's just something irresistible about trying to identify the smell.


Thanks to those who actually tried to be informative! I'll disappear for another year now.....
 
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