Rant at Focusrite

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Hi folks.

Man oh man, I feel like the folks at Focusrite screwed me.

I purchased a Focusrite VoiceMaster Pro on Ebay. I had been searching
for a channel strip. I had heard good things about this unit.

I got it and it seemed ok, but still, the sounds were not what I had
been expecting.

I have a friend who is much more experienced at recording. He lives
fifty miles away and I don't get up there much. I realize now I
should have took him up on his offer to come check some stuff out
before I spent my money.

I told him that I was not satisfied with the VM Pro and he said come
up and we would test it out and do some comparisons to his pres.

I get there and we setup a test with his Seagull acoustic guitar
(awesome sound). He has a nice room and a big Mackie board. Well,
he says we will compare my VM pro with a couple pres in the same price
range that he has.

First we recorded the song amazing grace with the seagull. He puts
two guitar tracks, far left and far right and he does a vocal down the
center. The first unit he used was an FMR RNP in front of an RNC
compressor. When I heard the three tracks over his studio monitors
and then his studio headphones, I was dumbfounded at the delicate
color, the detail, the beauty of the recording.

Then, he did the same three tracks again and used a Presonus Eureka
preamp strip. Again, the recording was stunning. Magical, delicate,
Different than the RNP, but not better or worse. The rnp had a type
of color while the Eureka had intimate detail and a 3d quality. Both
sent chills down my spine, literally, goose bumps. I swear, I could
not stop listening to the tracks made with these two preamps. They
sounded like I had bought a CD of the song at a store, that's how
good.

Well, then he hooked up my VM pro and did the same three tracks again,
and I was heart broken. My VM pro didn't even come close to the RNP
and Eureka. NOT EVEN CLOSE. The poorer quality was instantly heard.
My friend thought that it could be that he wasn't used to the
compressor settings on the VM, so he recorded the 3 tracks twice more,
each time playing with the controls, but nothing changed. It wasn't
the eq or the compression, the damn VM pro just sounded no where near
as good as the RNP and Eureka. He tried to console me and said I
would probably make many bad decisions on my road to recording.

I feel so po'ed at Focusrite. When they made this product, didn't
they sit down and compare it to other units in the same price range?
No way they compared it to the RNP and Eureka cause they would have
been too ashamed to release the thing had they done that. I feel like
I wasted my money and I got a sound not much better than my hundred
dollar M-audio DMP3. The RNP and Eureka were simply in another world.
What kills me is that I could have got a used RNP for 450 or so, I saw
used Eureka for around $350-400

My unit is supposed to be class A, just like the Eureka unit, so why
doesn't mine sound as good as his? Nothing was different when we
recorded the three. he sat in the same chair, same mic Tl103 and
position, same everything. The rnp and Eureka blew my unit out.

Focusrite, why even put these out on the market without comparing the
quality of sound to the competition and making sure you can compete?
had you compared these units you would have said to yourself "hmm, our
unit sucks in comparison to theirs, lets get it right before we
release this product."

Sorry for ranting, but I feel I wasted hundreds of bucks and could
have gotten something of better quality for the money.
 
Sell it on ebay and never speak a word of it again. Just also wanted to mention that the Saffire gets my recommendation. Get that instead.
 
...I feel I wasted hundreds of bucks and could
have gotten something of better quality for the money.
Sure sounds that way...

Throw it back up on ebay... and get the unit you want.
 
I have the VM pro and it is a great sounding pre-amp if I turn everything off to start with. The compressor and other functions are very touchy. If set sparingly, they work great. The VM pro takes time to learn it well.

Thr RNP is certainly not miles better sounding, at least not mine.
 
just because you dont know how to use it, doesnt mean its a piece of crap....
 
Your entire rant probably portrays pretty accurately the feelings of the person who sold the unit to you. So do what he did.
 
Hi. Thanks for the replies. Just got off the phone with my friend
and read him what I said in this post. He said I am overreacting and
that the VM was not that much below the other two as I have gotten in
my mind. The VM is like new. You could tell in the recordings it
was doing what it's supposed to do, I guess my friend is right and I
am making a huge difference when there is not a bunch of difference.
Probably just upset that I didn't get one of the other two units and I
am over blowing the differences out of frustration. My friend said I
could get fine results with this pre. Maybe not exactly as good as
the other two but not the huge difference I have talked myself in to.

I believe he tried only using the preamp in one of the test, and it
still didn't sound as 3d as the other two. I am having buyers
remorse I guess and blowing the difference out of proportion.

My friend told me to come and try his preamps out first before I put
money out, and now I see that I should have. I would have chosen one
of the others instead of this. He said the VM will always useable
for some things and that it's no big deal to add another strip down
the line. That conversation made me feel better. He also had a
Manley and a Great River, and he told me I would have been even more
upset had I heard those. I can't afford those anyway. Glad I
didn't hear them or I might be selling my car today.

Thanks much
 
you and me both :D:D but isn't that half the fun?

Bad decisions on the road to recording? No way. Every piece of gear I've bought has been great ...well, every piece I've kept ...actually, that should read 'every piece I've kept and use with any regularity' ...now that I think about it, I've bought some real crap over the years.
 
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...now that I think about it, I've bought some real crap over the years.


Yeah, me too... One in particular, THIS THING, I bought several years ago, I laugh everytime I think of myself sending someone 'good' money for it... :D

I did exactly what jeff0633 should do if he doesn't like the unit he bought...SEND IT DOWN THE ROAD.

I've found that the only cure for the "red butt" that you can get from buying some audio gear is, ASPHALT. Just put a little of that between you and the piece of gear, and it's cured. ;)


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Yeah, me too... One in particular, THIS THING, I bought several years ago, I laugh everytime I think of myself sending someone 'good' money for it... :D

Ewww.... I've been lucky in that I've never traveled down the Behringer road, but there are lots of other crappy roads to travel down and I've found a few.

I've found that the only cure for the "red butt" that you can get from buying some audio gear is, ASPHALT. Just put a little of that between you and the piece of gear, and it's cured. ;)
Randy
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Wise words, grasshopper.
 
Ewww.... I've been lucky in that I've never traveled down the Behringer road, but there are lots of other crappy roads to travel down and I've found a few.

Don't want to turn this into a "bash Berry" thread, as we have an abundance of those here already...but I do own 1 piece of Berry gear, and in it's price range, I've not found anything that beats it...and I've never had 1 minute trouble out of either... The 4 channel headphone amp... If this one ever dies, I'll buy another too..

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Don't want to turn this into a "bash Berry" thread, as we have an abundance of those here already...but I do own 1 piece of Berry gear,

Same here, I have an older MX802A which is used for summing my FX outputs back into my main console. While I have had bad experiences with newer berry gear this old thing really ain't so bad. Just for kicks and giggles I plugged my MD-441U into one of the mic pre channels on the MX and was surprised that it sounded as good as it did. Really wasn't too bad sounding. Of course it will never live up to the pres on the console but still pretty usable IMO.

Thing is built like a tank too compared to the Xenyx I sent back last year.
 
Back to the original post...

The Tl103 has been discounted as a not a great mic by many..

That aside, some mics work great with some mic pres and not so well with others, and vice versa, some mic pres work great with some mics and not so well with others. It could be a matter of finding the right mic to go with your mic pre.

See if you can test the various mic your friend has at his studio and see which one works best for your unit.
 
Dear Jeff063,


We're very sorry that our Voicemaster thingie sucks.

And we're also equally as sorry that you apparently like our sucky gear and decided to purchase it.


Warmest Regards,

Focusrite, Inc.


:D
 
It is always possible too that the reason that one was up for sale on sleeze bay is because something is wrong with it. Personally, I have never been a fan of the Focusrite platinum range, but I would definately not term it as unusable or anything and would place it somewhere in the quality range of the Presonus and FMR stuff, although I would gravitate to the FMR stuff first;)
 
Maan!!!

Maan, I was one step to buy The Voice Master,My Set-up is Motu 828 MKII Focusrite Twintrak (Which i just sold) an M-Audio Tampa on the Way and A Shure KSM27.I was Very Entusuastic to buy a VM For the Dinamics but now after read this tread i am not shure,What do you recommend guys? ART MPA With Different tubes?? Or something Better and Different than The Tampa?
 
The only thing I was surprised about is that he actually got a nice recording from the Eureka.

Those and the Focusrite Crapinum series both blow my mind with their mediocrity.
just because you dont know how to use it, doesnt mean its a piece of crap....
I'm assuming you've not heard one...
 
Maan, I was one step to buy The Voice Master,My Set-up is Motu 828 MKII Focusrite Twintrak (Which i just sold) an M-Audio Tampa on the Way and A Shure KSM27.I was Very Entusuastic to buy a VM For the Dinamics but now after read this tread i am not shure,What do you recommend guys? ART MPA With Different tubes?? Or something Better and Different than The Tampa?

I have a Tampa and had an ART MPA Gold. I upgraded the tubes in the MPA Gold to NOS Telefunken and GE tubes.
The MPA Gold had a nice tone but I found it way too noisy for critical recordings. The Tampa was MUCH quieter!
As a result I sold my MPA Gold and kept the Tampa. I was disappointed to do this as I liked the tone of the MPA Gold and it had stacks of useful features :(

What is your budget?
 
Save your money and buy something you'll use forever. You're not going to be getting into anything special in that price range.

Alternatively, learn some soldering skills and pick up something from Hamptone or SCA.
 
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