RawDepth
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I've built a few forums. They are not that hard if you know how.
The fact is...it's harder to get people into them than to build them.
The fact is...it's harder to get people into them than to build them.
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rockinrocker
Freedom Hater
now this, is an excellent idea....
JTC111 said:
isn't the whole thing about PP ruining ribbons kind of a myth?
also, as far as the conflict of interest w/ sponsors.....
i think it's all going to depend on the Mod's. there's another board (sponsored) that i like to frequent where i posted some links to the GB stuff over here and the mod ended up deleting them, but he had good reasons (apparently unlike some of the other deletions), he said he didn't want to delete them but pretty much had to because of the sponsorship deal (i believe him).
so i guess the bullet points of this presentation would be:
1. if the mod's cool with it, who cares?
2. it'd still be ideal to have a dedicated forum all the same.
3. there is no reason to feel guilty about all this. on the contrary, this whole processes is a fantastic example of participatory economics that we should all be delighted to be partaking in.
YOU ROCK CHANCE.
(does that count as 4 cents?
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qiktune
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+10 on the idea of a seperate forum/bbs for TnC 
I like the idea of not having to weed through stuff to get the info I'm after. With all due respect to a lot of the guys ( I know we're all excited ) but it'd be nice to just have relevant info on the GB threads, and save the endless back and forth posts about color. C'mon guys, who guys what it looks like at this price - let's just get 'em and use 'em!
I like the idea of not having to weed through stuff to get the info I'm after. With all due respect to a lot of the guys ( I know we're all excited ) but it'd be nice to just have relevant info on the GB threads, and save the endless back and forth posts about color. C'mon guys, who guys what it looks like at this price - let's just get 'em and use 'em!
WhiteStrat
Don't stare at the eye.
+10 on the idea of a seperate forum/bbs for TnC
I like the idea of not having to weed through stuff to get the info I'm after. With all due respect to a lot of the guys ( I know we're all excited ) but it'd be nice to just have relevant info on the GB threads, and save the endless back and forth posts about color. C'mon guys, who guys what it looks like at this price - let's just get 'em and use 'em!
Yep, straight to the heart of the matter would be better, but let's face it--there will always be ancillary discussions. That's normal, and we just have to reign them in now and again.
And in a separate space of it's own, I think those "off-topic" topics would still exist, but they could at least have their own mini-space, instead of rolling all into this one thread.
Zetajazz44
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Yeah, forums are not hard to set up...especially the free ones that are hosted on someone else server... Yes, I've found out that is it hard to get people into new forums... BUT, usually, new forums are discussing the same topics as all the others... Audio Recording in general... Audio Gear in General...etc. I believe that a forum that only deals with 1 brand/type of audio gear; TnC, and any group buys that may be happening concerning this gear, a "central location" would attract it's share of people... Not that membership numbers or traffic volume is priority, but rather to just create a space that all forums and discussions have a common denominator: TnC Audio Gear. Whether it be about the gear, the group buys, mods to the gear, suggestions about the gear, it will "all be about TnC gear".
I suppose that I'm a control freak and like to have control over "my own" data... I learned this back in the dot com boom days... The only companies that survived that era, were those that did control their own data...
If "T"n"C" decides to go with a TnC forum, that will probably be the way it'll be set up... On a private leased, dedicated server with no forced popups or banners...which is NOT to say that at some point they might add some banners of their own, but again, they'll have complete control over it.
If at some point this does happen, I hope that no one thinks that "they're just running off, and don't want to play with us on 'our' forums...". That's definitely not the case. I've spoken to Chance in detail about the contents of his last mass email, even before he sent it, and believe me, the above is not the case... not that someone has said anything to give me this idea, but I'm just trying to be clear.
I've not known Chance very long, but in the short time that I have, he and I have spoken about many topics and through this I have found that Chance is a good man with very high morals. There is something inside him, his conscience, that makes him feel like he's "going beyond reasonable bounds" with the methods that he's using to communicate to everyone about the group buys... Right or wrong, good reason or no reason, he does feel this way...and eventually will do "the right thing" to rid himself of this feeling. He also wants to do it "the right way, the first time" and this will take some discussion, decision making and planning... so I personally don't look for any changes to happen in the very near future.
Randy
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cnix
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For every successful board, there are 100 failed boards. At most any time there are close to 200 people on this board. It is very easy to say "let's set up a board", but the fact remains that people drive the boards. If there is little or no traffic, it dies. I believe we should be grateful to this board for allowing us to discuss this buy on such an active board. Also, we should keep supporting this board, and when, if only when the board stops us, consider an alternative plan.
My 2 cents
Charlie
My 2 cents
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dgatwood
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Nah. Most of the overhead of running these sites is caused by them all running their own servers with full-blown hosting instead of banding together and sharing the infrastructure costs. Worst comes to worst, the site admin can migrate the users to a freepowerboards.com board. Free, or $5 a month for ad-free. Not sure about migrating existing messages, though.
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pohaku
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How is the board admin going to make any money doing that without any adverts?
dgatwood
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I'm operating under the assumption that the board admins of most boards are doing advertising to defray their costs rather than to make money. As always, I could be wrong.
pohaku
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Probably does vary. For example, I think the admin of GS has shifted from engineering/producing and running the Board on the side to running the Board as his full time gig. In that case, adverts are probably his main source of income. I'm assuming that is less the case here.
RawDepth
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I never use those "Freebie Forum" sites. All of my boards are on dedicated servers where I have complete control over all folders and all code. I install the code myself and control the database as well.
The cost is only a few hundred dollars a year. If you put up a few ads, you can make a few cents each time someone clicks on them. Survival or even breaking even is dependent upon your traffic volume. A few thousand visitors may only produce a few dozen clicks each week. The ratio is low.
BTW, it is considered bad etiquette, (or in some cases against the rules,) to discuss starting a new forum on another man's forum. People have gotten banned for it. It tends to have "stealing traffic" written all over it.
apl
Stand Up Comity
Yeah, LOL. Happened here once.
This is kind of a special case, though. It's not because someone's mad or banned or anything.
TnC has brought together a group of maybe 20 or so people who will be wanting to talk about what they've done with and to their mics and pres. Those threads would get buried in a place like this.
JTC111
Active member
I'm wondering if the discussion has now turned towards finding a solution to a problem that doesn't yet exist and possibly may never exist. I'm also wondering if the current discussion about starting a new board may wind up causing problems rather than solving them.
Since there is no pressing issue at the moment, maybe we should curtail that kind of discussion until it appears necessary? Just a thought.
Since there is no pressing issue at the moment, maybe we should curtail that kind of discussion until it appears necessary? Just a thought.
apl
Stand Up Comity
I'm pretty sure that I'm going to be modding my stuff and I'd like to be able to get help and share ideas with others who will be doing the same. The best way to do that is on a BBS. Doing that on this BBS would be difficult because this BBS is very busy. If the group buy weren't kept in one thread, it'd be a mess.
But who knows? Maybe Dragon would add a TnC forum if we asked him nicely.
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redddog
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Although premature, I tried to get a mod thread going and it didn't seem too well received.
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rockinrocker
Freedom Hater
that might work better after the stuff comes in....
Zetajazz44
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RawDepth said:
apl said:
Yes, if there was tension on this board about this subject, I would feel differently... This is why I stated what I did in a previous post: "I hope that no one thinks that "they're just running off, and don't want to play with us on 'our' forums...". That's definitely not the case." AND who's to say that any of this talk of a new board to discuss TnC group buys would ever happen anyways...
JTC111 said:
This board in particular I don't think has or would have a problem with advertisers, as I really don't think there any... Yes, there are banners and those annoying links that get inserted into posts, but all of the advertising that I've seen on this board is sydicated, per-click based advertising... Not the same as a company buying a 468px X 60px banner...
Creamyapples1 said:
Yes, I've seen the same come and go... In the 4 years I've been here there have been many requests for different forum topics to be added...none of which have came to fruition...except for the one that discusses cats...redddog said:
Not sure who requested that one...maybe it was just a present! 
One last thing: Starting a new forum to discuss TnC Gear and Group Buys IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO DO. All of this discussion, at least my input, has been as a solution should "the boards" shut down any and all discussion about TnC Gear and Group Buys...and we have seen this happen on other boards thus far. At the point where none of the existing boards would let this type of discussion happen, there would only be 2 routes to take:
- Quit Group Buys and any discussion about them
- discuss them somewhere else...
Randy
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earlwgreen
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Randy, I'm with you about not starting another forum unless it is necessary! This is a great forum and what we have to add will benefit everyone too.
Maybe a section in your program for notes/stickies would be good for users to comment on specifics or search for specifics. This way it would not be a forum but would be just a Q&A section. Maybe limit the space per question? If the question was asked, then they could search there for the answer.
I've noticed that a lot of people ask the same question but unless you read the whole section of posts again, you can't always find the answer. This is only an expansion on what Chance does on his website next to each product.
Example:
Q: What would the ACM-900 mic be good for?
A: Guitar amps
Also, if each model had a spec list with a field for each bit of info, you could include a "sounds similar to a.....RCA DX77".
Example:
ACM-200
PHANTOM POWERED DOUBLE RIBBON MICROPHONE
1. FREQUENCY RESPONSE-----------------30-15000 Hz
2. POLAR PATTERN------------------------FIGURE 8
3. SENSITIVITY-------------------------- -30db
4. RATED IMPEDANCE---------------------50 Ohms
5. MAX SPL (for 1% THO @ 1000 Hz): -----135db
6. Comes only with leather bag.
7. Sound like: Would work well on vocals, strings horns, or as room mic. Is phantom powered so output is greater than normal ribbons.
8. New mic, no other mic to compare with.
9. What others have to say about it from previous GB, if applicable.
Once these are in the database, they stay as they are until Chance wants to add or subtract something. If the product has been purchased and used in a previous GB, then those comments could be added into #9. Section.
This way, if I want to find all the basic mic info/comments, I just look in this one spot.
I don't know if this would be possible, but it would be a great place to point everyone and keep the thread flowing better.
I do understand why Chance is concerned about the issue of conflict with the forums. So, maybe an introduction with rules should be posted on the registration sign up. This would remind people not to discuss pricing/discounts for larger orders and other taboo topics on the forums.
It seems to me anything we can do in advance of the next GB is to keep this thread clean and clear, keep the questions down to a minimum and know what is proper to discuss and what is not.
One last thing, it would be nice to have a place to see any and all cutoff dates. Maybe that's there already and I just missed it?
Just some thoughts for future GB's.
Earl
Maybe a section in your program for notes/stickies would be good for users to comment on specifics or search for specifics. This way it would not be a forum but would be just a Q&A section. Maybe limit the space per question? If the question was asked, then they could search there for the answer.
I've noticed that a lot of people ask the same question but unless you read the whole section of posts again, you can't always find the answer. This is only an expansion on what Chance does on his website next to each product.
Example:
Q: What would the ACM-900 mic be good for?
A: Guitar amps
Also, if each model had a spec list with a field for each bit of info, you could include a "sounds similar to a.....RCA DX77".
Example:
ACM-200
PHANTOM POWERED DOUBLE RIBBON MICROPHONE
1. FREQUENCY RESPONSE-----------------30-15000 Hz
2. POLAR PATTERN------------------------FIGURE 8
3. SENSITIVITY-------------------------- -30db
4. RATED IMPEDANCE---------------------50 Ohms
5. MAX SPL (for 1% THO @ 1000 Hz): -----135db
6. Comes only with leather bag.
7. Sound like: Would work well on vocals, strings horns, or as room mic. Is phantom powered so output is greater than normal ribbons.
8. New mic, no other mic to compare with.
9. What others have to say about it from previous GB, if applicable.
Once these are in the database, they stay as they are until Chance wants to add or subtract something. If the product has been purchased and used in a previous GB, then those comments could be added into #9. Section.
This way, if I want to find all the basic mic info/comments, I just look in this one spot.
I don't know if this would be possible, but it would be a great place to point everyone and keep the thread flowing better.
I do understand why Chance is concerned about the issue of conflict with the forums. So, maybe an introduction with rules should be posted on the registration sign up. This would remind people not to discuss pricing/discounts for larger orders and other taboo topics on the forums.
It seems to me anything we can do in advance of the next GB is to keep this thread clean and clear, keep the questions down to a minimum and know what is proper to discuss and what is not.
One last thing, it would be nice to have a place to see any and all cutoff dates. Maybe that's there already and I just missed it?
Just some thoughts for future GB's.
Earl
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Brad McGowan
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1084 vs. 1073
On a side note regarding the functionality of the units...
I'm surprised to see so many people choosing the 73 model over the 84. I wonder if people realize that a Neve 1084 had the exact same preamp and EQ circuitry as the 1073, except with additional EQ features: low pass filter, hi-Q switch for the mid band, and two additional frequencies on the high shelf.
Unless you are dying to have that DI input (there are better DI's out there) it seems to make more sense to choose the 84 over the 73. It would be great if some of you potential 73 buyers would change your selection to the 84 so that the price break can be met. I personally would love to get the 81, but if forced to switch to either the 73 or the 84 for cost reasons, then the 84 gets my vote.
Just a thought...
Brad
On a side note regarding the functionality of the units...
I'm surprised to see so many people choosing the 73 model over the 84. I wonder if people realize that a Neve 1084 had the exact same preamp and EQ circuitry as the 1073, except with additional EQ features: low pass filter, hi-Q switch for the mid band, and two additional frequencies on the high shelf.
Unless you are dying to have that DI input (there are better DI's out there) it seems to make more sense to choose the 84 over the 73. It would be great if some of you potential 73 buyers would change your selection to the 84 so that the price break can be met. I personally would love to get the 81, but if forced to switch to either the 73 or the 84 for cost reasons, then the 84 gets my vote.
Just a thought...
Brad
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