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Ironklad Audio
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FWIW, sneap usually squishes the low-mids on the guitars with a multiband comp. rather than EQ them out of the mix
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hoops
Member
Sorry, I might have been remembering the wrong setting from some where else. My numbers are off some. Here is a quote from Andy.
Q/ Andy how low do you let the guitars go?
A/ I'll usually filter from 60 hz down, what I do use alot on gtrs these days is the C4 Compressor with PT's with just the low mids compressing and compress that area between 120- 300, that really pulls the gtrs into shape and stops any low end jumping round, if you have your mac linked to internet and C4 comp, I'll gladly send you the preset.
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ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
Yeah a multi band on the low mids for guitars can work a treat. Been using that trick for a good while now.
I tend to use the Waves LM for the low mids on guitars. I tend to bring the EQ down and use the threshold and range to control the low mids so there is minimal mud
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Vagodeoz
One-Man-Band
Here is a new mix I did.
This one is pretty much final (except for the guitar solo)
It's a lot less "bassy". I think maybe too much...
So check it out and tell me what you think. Do you think it improved over the last one?
A orillas del destino
This one is pretty much final (except for the guitar solo)
It's a lot less "bassy". I think maybe too much...
So check it out and tell me what you think. Do you think it improved over the last one?
A orillas del destino
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TerraMortim
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first off...what kind of metal? 
That can make a huge difference.
That can make a huge difference.
TerraMortim
New member
To answer your question one of the biggest metal producer and enginere is a guy named Andy Sneap. He has been setting the standrad for recording and mixing metal for the last decade. He has recorded bands like 36 CRAZYFISTS, ACRIMONY, ARCH ENEMY, ARTILLERY, AS I LAY DYING, BENEDICTION, BIOMECHANICAL, BLAZE, CALIBAN, CATHEDRAL, CHIMAIRA, CONSUMED, CRADLE OF FILTH, DEARLY BEHEADED, DESPISED, DEVILDRIVER, DEW SCENTED, DISGUST, EARTH CRISIS, EARTHTONE 9, ENGLISH DOGS, ENTOMBED, EXODUS, FACE OF ANGER, FOZZY, HECATE ENTHRONED, INTO ETERNITY, IRON MONKEY, JOB FOR A COWBOY, KILL II THIS, KILLSWITCH ENGAGE, KREATOR, LIVING SACRIFICE, LOCK UP, MACHINE HEAD, MASTERPLAN, MEGADETH, MINDFEED, NAPALM DEATH, NEVERMORE, OBITUARY, OPETH, PISSING RAZORS, RISE TO ADDICTION, SABBAT, SICK SPEED, SKINLAB, SOULFLY, SPIRITUAL BEGGARS, SQUEELER, STAMPIN' GROUND, STUCK MOJO, TESTAMENT, THE MORE I SEE, THORN ELEVEN, TRIVIUM. If you look at the bands this man is invovled with you will see my point.
I thought the guy from Porcupine Tree does Opeth. Is he referring to their older stuff maybe?
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Ironklad Audio
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nah dude, sneap has done the couple of opeth albums, although i know that their upcoming album was recorded all in sweden, which would leave me to believe that it wasn't with sneap
TexRoadkill
Audio Bum
I think you guys suffer from the same issues that most new metal bands have. You are trying to make too much happen at once.
There is also no low end and very little high end. The mids are also missing. I'm not sure how you accomplished that.
TerraMortim
New member
Then what of the dude from Porcupine Tree, did he just produce it? I know he was involved in the making of a bunch of their stuff.
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RAMI
Guest
Tex isn't a mean guy, so I'm sure he wasn't trying to make fun of anyone.
But that line made me spit up coffee. And it was so funny, I wasn't even drinking coffee at the time.
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Ironklad Audio
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maybe he produced, while the sneapster engineered/mixed? i'm not 100% positive.
i just know that at the andy sneap forum, there's an entire section devoted to albums he's worked for people to ask q's, and there's a couple of opeth albums included in there
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Acoustic-Fury
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After reading up about EQ and playing around with it (most times in frustration) for months - you have finally made me realize how to approach EQ in my mixes.
Great stuff Farview!
Vagodeoz
One-Man-Band
The genre itself is symphonic black metal, but I'm not looking for the typical black metal sound (awful), I'm more looking for black metal songs with power metal sound.
I never even though that a mix could lack bass, highs, and mids, all at once!! And mine does... that sux ass...
Anyway, thanks for the suggestion, I'll see what I can do.
Edit: Here is another song I just finished mixing
La Espada de Fuego
I never even though that a mix could lack bass, highs, and mids, all at once!! And mine does... that sux ass...
Anyway, thanks for the suggestion, I'll see what I can do.
Edit: Here is another song I just finished mixing
La Espada de Fuego
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Vagodeoz
One-Man-Band
After giving that sentence a lot of thinking, I agree with you... in a way...
You are referring to EQ during recording, where your EQ settings are indeed the difference between the sound you have and the sound you want.
However, having done that, by the stage of mixing you have all tracks with the sound you want, but you still use EQ in mixing...
Why?.... Becouse you use it to MIX instruments with each other, to blend them. Not to make a overwhelming change on the instrument sound, but instead to mix it with other instruments.
When people remove everything from 80 Hz to 3 KHz on the kick, I'm sure they don't do it becouse they love it how it sounds.
It's probably to have it very loud, yet leaving room in the mix for everything else.
Those are the mixing standards I'm talking about.
Those "trickies" to blend a metal band succesfully, and therefore, making a good mix.
Anyway, well said Farview!
You made EQ for me a lot clearer
Farview
Well-known member
When I said 'the sound you want', what I meant was 'the sound you need in the context of the mix'.
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Mistral
RyosaMusic
You could be correct, although I know Andy has mixed albums that weren't necessarily recorded with him initially.
ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
Woah! Id like to hear mixes from the folk that are using this technique to produce space for other instruments.
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Mistral
RyosaMusic
sounds to me like a gross misinterpretation of a common mixing practice. if you removed everything between those frequencies, it would sound like garbage. the correct course of action is to dip certain ranges.. otherwise known as a "cut", which does NOT mean completely cutting them out. the rule of thumb one often hears is that anything more than 6 db cut or added is too much and if this needs to be done then the instrument was probably recorded incorrectly in the first place.
Vagodeoz
One-Man-Band
Of course that is what I was talking about.
By "remove" I meant "dipping way too much".
But most people who mix rock/metal, adds bass, removes/dips about 500 Hz (could be set with a very wide bandwidth to dip even from 80 Hz to 3 Khz) and adds attack anywhere from 3 to 10 KHz.
I know it's a lot like using presets, but I use pre-sets a lot to learn from things I don't know much about. If I put the "telephone" preset on a waves Q10, it will cut (this time literally CUT) everything below 300 Hz and above 3 Khz, therefore you now know the (average) frequency response of a telephone line...
I don't know much about mixing metal, and most I know was self-taught, so "standarizing" my mixes a little bit could be nice, or at least know the metal "presets", know what effect they do on the signal and why do people look for that effect on the signal, helping me understand metal mixing better.
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Mistral
RyosaMusic
I take them as very loose guidelines.. you have to have a starting point of course.. I tend to just apply a cut then sweep and adjust the Q til it hits the magic spot.