punch spots

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what do you all do about punch spots that are noticeable? sometimes you can re-do it and sometimes you can't. sometimes that seems to mean re-recording the whole track, and sometimes it seems to mean living with what sounds like a flub. the worst is when you are bounching and you punch the same sound over itself, there is a split second where the sound is doubled...what do you guys do??? i am not talking about like on vocals where there are gaps between notes, more like on rhythm instruments where there are no gaps.
 
If the punch is real ugly, you could try doing a punch from an earlier bar or two back and exit out at the next break...or redo the entire track. It really helps if you are working with another person during the tracking stage so they can concentrate on the punch and you can concentrate on the performance.

Some decks are better then others at creating gapless/noiseless punches too...my MS-16 as an example, makes a real quiet transition. Previous decks I've had didn't, like my old 244 Portastudio.

Cheers! :)
 
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The Ghost of FM said:
If the punch is real ugly, you could try doing a punch from an earlier bar or two back and exit out at the next break...or redo the entire track. It really helps if you are working with another person during the tracking stage so they can concentrate on the punch and you can concentrate on the performance.

Some decks are better then others at creating gapless/noiseless punches too...my MS-16 as an example, makes a real quiet transition. Previous decks I've had didn't, like my old 244 Portastudio.

Cheers! :)
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Ha. This reminds me of last wednesday! We had a recording session at my house, I had laid down the drum tracks , my buddy was overdubbing his parts and when it came to his lead guitar we did this. I was punching while he was playing...(I guess it didn't help that we were drinking!:D) It took a while, but ghost is right, this works!
 
FALKEN said:
the worst is when you are bounching and you punch the same sound over itself, there is a split second where the sound is doubled...what do you guys do??? .
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What's "bounching" ? Is that a combination of punching and bouncing at the same time? :D
 
SteveM said:
What's "bounching" ? Is that a combination of punching and bouncing at the same time? :D
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ha;

yeah that was a typo but...that is exactly what I'm doing. I will record the part on two tracks and bounce/punch it together.
 
FALKEN said:
ha;

yeah that was a typo but...that is exactly what I'm doing. I will record the part on two tracks and bounce/punch it together.
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Cool, you coined a new phrase. :D

Bounce/punch it together on a new track? So you're taking the best parts of two tracks and putting them together on one track on the same machine?

I guess it's a little more difficult if you have pre-recorded tracks and you need to have it punch in that exact spot. Some spots just don't punch well. Most punch ins I do are one instrument so I just back up a bar or two to another spot that will punch easily and then re-record right over the glitch. If it's only noticable when you solo the track I might leave it.
 
listening back a week later it is so frustrating!! a "perfect" take ruined by a small blotch because of the gap between erase and record head. you would think that the electronics would compensate for tape speed but apparently not. I could swear that my e-16 didn't have this problem. bah! I really, really dont want to play these parts over again.
 
Perhaps you can fix it a bit more during mix-down by muting the channel in question during that glitch spot or carefully and quickly whipping the channel fader down and then back up, using a finger on the opposite hand as a slide stop-guide to not overshoot the level on recovery.

Try to keep in mind too that a lot of these type of issues are only really noticeable to the person who is hyper critical and looking/listening for problems...sort of like the guys who watches movies, looking for the mistakes in the cinematography instead of just watching and enjoying the story of the film.

Cheers! :)
 
You have to time the punch in/out properly with the phrasing of the song or part.

Punch Out is especially critical, due to the gap distance between the record and erase heads which can create a noticeable dropout in the transition.

Then you have to admit to yourself that some songs or styles of playing don't lend themseves well to punching in or out. For those tracks the only answer is to redo the track.

Having a tape-op may help sometimes, but isn't a magic bullet.:eek:;)
 
yeah my sucky guitar playing is definitely the culprit.

you ever notice that scene in pulp fiction when travolta is in marsalis wallace's house and the door in the background goes from open to closed when the shot changes ?
 
The Ghost of FM said:
...sort of like the guys who watches movies, looking for the mistakes in the cinematography instead of just watching and enjoying the story....
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FALKEN said:
...you ever notice that scene in pulp fiction when travolta is in marsalis wallace's house and the door in the background goes from open to closed when the shot changes ?
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LMAO! :D

Cheers! :)
 
If you can punch in time and on a strong beats, there's always your friend the crash cymbal to obliterate/cover up a moment.
 
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