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chance
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I'm beat. I have only 3 more orders to fill (pack etc.) I've sent out MANY PP requests, so check your E-mail and they will go out on Tuesday.
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timboZ
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hungovermorning
Dr. Caveman.
It looks like I am one of the last 3. no ppl request yet.
I'm #2 of 3.... eep.
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markitzero
New member
Any chance (no pun intended) extra mics will end up for sale?
timboZ
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Err.............My error. I must not of used my paypal account on the initial order and used paypal with no account. I just checked my other email and I had the request.
payment sent.
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chance
Well-known member
OK,, Like I said only 3 more orders to fill, but what is a suggested way to satisfy the "ribbon sag" problem? My last corrospondense with them said I will try to find an alternative remedy. Maybe new ribbons? Does the ACM-2 & 3 use the same ribbon? I haven't had the time to open them yet to look (packing & shipping) I can't ask for too much because of the price we paid, and in the past I retensioned the ribbon in the lolly pop mic and it wasn't hard at all, but I need some suggestive input to send back to them. I posted a while back about a Nady lolly pop mic that a friend uses (and loves) I opened it to discover it too had ribbon sag. My friend didn't want me to retension it. He loves the mic the way it is. Go figure! Maybe different tensions are better for different things. His mic is a dedicated guitar amp cabinet mic. (and it does indeed give a nice warm pleasing sound.
antichef
pornk rock
Still not sure -- if no one thinks of anything better, then the credit on the next group buy was the best idea. Or maybe some sort of free upgrade after the prices have been negotiated 
I got one of those Nady lollipop mics in the Stupid Buy two weeks ago or so. I opened it up today, and there's some sag. Not enough to clunk on anything, and it sounds pretty good.
I also got a couple of those Edcor transformers, but I haven't tried dropping them in yet. I'll post some questions I have to another thread.
I got one of those Nady lollipop mics in the Stupid Buy two weeks ago or so. I opened it up today, and there's some sag. Not enough to clunk on anything, and it sounds pretty good.
I also got a couple of those Edcor transformers, but I haven't tried dropping them in yet. I'll post some questions I have to another thread.
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Big Kenny
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Mine is shot and I have already demonstrated that I cannot be trusted to put a new ribbon in. I'll need someone to install mine if indeed we do get replacement ribbons
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Big Kenny
New member
Mine is shot and I have already demonstrated that I cannot be trusted to put a new ribbon in. I'll need someone to install mine if indeed we do get replacement ribbons
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acegunn
New member
When I opened the ACM-2 and -3 they both had sag and both appeared to use the same ribbon. I was able to re-tension the -2, but I destroyed the ribbon in the -3.
New ribbons would be a remedy for me.
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J_Bursch
New member
New Ribbon
New ribbon would be good, if they can send them already corrugated. Maybe shipped between corrugated cardstock or something to help them maintain their shape.
Some kind of a discount on the next Group Buy would also be a nice idea.
The problem with the ACM-3 isn't just that they need to be retensioned, it's that the folds have gone out of the ribbon material. It is strange that this would happen so consistently on one model and not at all on some others.
New ribbon would be good, if they can send them already corrugated. Maybe shipped between corrugated cardstock or something to help them maintain their shape.
Some kind of a discount on the next Group Buy would also be a nice idea.
The problem with the ACM-3 isn't just that they need to be retensioned, it's that the folds have gone out of the ribbon material. It is strange that this would happen so consistently on one model and not at all on some others.
dgatwood
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I would say a reasonable remedy would be that they provide enough replacement ribbons that anybody who breaks one retensioning the ribbon can get a new one, and that enough to replace outright any ribbons where the corrugations have straightened, since that just plain shouldn't happen unless they did something asinine at the factory (like using compressed air to dust off the mics).
zbert
In the swamps of Jersey
OK, so I guess I was #3 at the end. So I'll be first on my block with the new pre and compressor.
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crazydoc
Master Baiter
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think a "new ribbon" is something that can be easily shipped, handled, or put in a microphone. These are very flimsy, delicate items that will blow across the bench if you exhale. It takes a modicum of mechanical and electronic knowledge to install and tension them. I believe the ribbons pretty much have to be cut, corrugated and installed in fairly close physical proximity to where each process is carried out, because handling, packing and shipping them would entail some difficulty.
So I think that getting a bunch of replacement ribbons shipped out to individual mic owners who would then replace them is sort of an unrealistic pipe dream. But that's just my semi-ignorant opinion, and I certainly welcome any more knowledgeable ones.
The only way to make sure it's done right would be to ship the mics somewhere for ribbon replacement. This would entail a major logistics hassle, and I also doubt that the manufacturer would be willing to foot the bill.
This is one of the risks we take in a group buy like this, and I think we just have to live with it. However, if people who got defective ribbon mics participate in a future group buy with the same manufacturer, I think that manufacturer should offer some type of discount or credit to them.
So I think that getting a bunch of replacement ribbons shipped out to individual mic owners who would then replace them is sort of an unrealistic pipe dream. But that's just my semi-ignorant opinion, and I certainly welcome any more knowledgeable ones.
The only way to make sure it's done right would be to ship the mics somewhere for ribbon replacement. This would entail a major logistics hassle, and I also doubt that the manufacturer would be willing to foot the bill.
This is one of the risks we take in a group buy like this, and I think we just have to live with it. However, if people who got defective ribbon mics participate in a future group buy with the same manufacturer, I think that manufacturer should offer some type of discount or credit to them.
dgatwood
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My guess of how much they were sagging was way off. Both my ACM-3 mics were sagging almost all the way out of the gap, so I retensioned them. They seem to have noticeably better high frequency response after that. (I compared the two side-by-side after I retensioned the first one, and the difference was pretty obvious.)
That said, add me to the list of people needing replacement ribbons. On the first one, the ribbon material stuck to the top grip plate and I didn't know it. It tore at the bearing edge as I was pulling it loose. Since it was horribly slack (both my ACM-3 mics were sagging almost all the way out of the gap) I was able to pull enough slack to get a little bit of overlap, so the mic is usable, but I'm not counting on it being reliable with only an eighth of an inch overlap. I'd feel a lot more comfortable about it if I could replace the ribbon outright.
Anyway, I've adjusted the other ACM-3 and both of my ACM-2 mics without further incident, but that's mostly because I've gotten lucky and the other two have had the ribbon stuck to the body of the mic instead of the removable clamp piece. Well, the second ACM-2 ribbon wasn't stuck at all, which made it a little bit tricker, though not much.
BTW, why did they wire the ACM-2 backwards? The front of the ribbon element is, as far as I can tell, on the side with the label, but that side is wired out of phase on both my mics.
That said, add me to the list of people needing replacement ribbons. On the first one, the ribbon material stuck to the top grip plate and I didn't know it. It tore at the bearing edge as I was pulling it loose. Since it was horribly slack (both my ACM-3 mics were sagging almost all the way out of the gap) I was able to pull enough slack to get a little bit of overlap, so the mic is usable, but I'm not counting on it being reliable with only an eighth of an inch overlap. I'd feel a lot more comfortable about it if I could replace the ribbon outright.
Anyway, I've adjusted the other ACM-3 and both of my ACM-2 mics without further incident, but that's mostly because I've gotten lucky and the other two have had the ribbon stuck to the body of the mic instead of the removable clamp piece. Well, the second ACM-2 ribbon wasn't stuck at all, which made it a little bit tricker, though not much.
BTW, why did they wire the ACM-2 backwards? The front of the ribbon element is, as far as I can tell, on the side with the label, but that side is wired out of phase on both my mics.
dgatwood
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Yes and no. They're delicate, yes, but they also have very little mass, so I would not expect them to inflict damage upon themselves significantly during shipping even if they are packed loose in a container.
I think that a clarinet or saxophone reed holder (the flip-top kind, not the shove-in kind) would be about right. I haven't done the measurements, but that seems about the right size and would probably be thick enough not to flatten out the corrugations, I think.
Another possibility that comes to mind is to put each ribbon separately in a plastic bag with just enough air to hold it approximately in place, then tape those bags to something hard (e.g. a piece of wood or corrugated cardboard) so that they don't bounce around, then float that piece of wood or whatever in the middle of a box using solid styrofoam blocks.
crazydoc
Master Baiter
Actually, the most secure way to ship a new ribbon would be mounted in a microphone, properly installed and tensioned. 
dgatwood
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The phase problem is much weirder than I thought. When I'm close to the microphone, it sounds out of phase on the label side, but farther back, the out-of-phase sound swaps sides to the non-labeled side. Really bizarre. Must have to do with the headbasket design.
*scratches head*
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hungovermorning
Dr. Caveman.
Err.............My error. I must not of used my paypal account on the initial order and used paypal with no account. I just checked my other email and I had the request.
payment sent.
No such luck with me....
although it will be quite sweet during the next GB when I get my stuff first and roll around in it ala Uncle Scrooge on "Ducktales" in the money pit.
zed32
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i thought i was #3? crap dude, i still haven't received a paypal request yet...
hopefully i'm part of that last 3 and not simply forgotten. i checked my paypal history and it shows that my mic payment went out on May 14th, but haven't heard anything from chance since then. can't wait to give you the rest of my money.
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