New tracks/Need Mix opinions

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Hey, just got finished tracking 2 new songs with my band today and did a rough mix. Just wondering if anyone had any thoughts or ideas that would make these sound better when I do a proper(haha try anyway) mix on these starting tommorrow.

I was told the drums on my previous recording sounded like doodoo, so I tried really hard and hopefully made these sound better! All opinions and criticism appreciated, even the nasty ones.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=771751
 
Well if anybody has any thoughts I'd like tohear them, Im gonna start mixing these today!
 
Well, honestly it sounds like te drums are 10m behind the band who are 10m away already.
How did you mic this and how good is the isolation?

To be honest the sounds sound okay, just far away. Brightening them up and some good compression will bring them forward a little
 
ED's got E.D.....
I'm not really familiar with this type of music so it's hard to say if it sounds comparable to whoever.... The drums, guitars and vocals sound a little muffled to me - maybe a bit distant but mostly muffled. Maybe you can describe your recording chain - what mics and effects are you using to process the signals? The performance is pretty tight but there's a drop in speed part way through where the drummer seems to follow the guitar player instead of the other way around. Overall I liked the tune and the playing though....

:D:):D:)
 
What I can hear of the drums doesn't sound too bad. Personally that snare head wouldn't be so tight but if the type of music calls for it...thats cool. I'm only really getting the snare. You need to get some kick and cymbals in it. I only hear bass in the low end. I can barely distinguish the kick if at all. What mikes are you using? How many can you use on your kit. I think you can get a better drum sound with one mic in the room, something with more balance of the kit. Everything else sounds pretty cool. Once your drums start coming in, everything should start to fill in better. You could bring those vocals higher if you wanted. They sound good.


Good stuff, just keeping working on it and it will come together!
 
ido1957 said:
ED's got E.D.....
I'm not really familiar with this type of music so it's hard to say if it sounds comparable to whoever.... The drums, guitars and vocals sound a little muffled to me - maybe a bit distant but mostly muffled. Maybe you can describe your recording chain - what mics and effects are you using to process the signals? The performance is pretty tight but there's a drop in speed part way through where the drummer seems to follow the guitar player instead of the other way around. Overall I liked the tune and the playing though....

:D:):D:)
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Hey thanks for the comments and taking the time to listen , I live in Alberta as well, in valleyview, which is pretty much the asshole of Northern Alberta.

Im kind of limited in what I have for mics and equipment to record with. For the drums I used a 57 on the snare, a "tom" mic from an audio technica drum mic kit I bought a while ago on the one tom. For kick I used a beta 52 and for overheads I used 2 sm58's. I want to get s couple sdc's for ovhd's and will when I have the cash. The guitar was recorded with a beta 57, and we actually used the the placement template that came with the mic, and feel it has given us the best results compared to anything else I tried.

All these were just run straight into the preamps on my zoom 1608 cd, there are no effects at all. The only thing I did was pan everything, adjusted volume levels and tried some eq techniques Ive been reading about from some articles I picked up reading this site.

The vocals were recorded with a apex condensor mic into a art tmp3 preamp and then to the 1608. No effects or anything like that. Im trying to learn how to use them properly and started messing around with the mixes Im doing on those 2 songs now. Im slowly working on them but taking my time and trying learn properly, thanks for the comments and advice, really appreciate it.
 
Erockrazor said:
What I can hear of the drums doesn't sound too bad. Personally that snare head wouldn't be so tight but if the type of music calls for it...thats cool. I'm only really getting the snare. You need to get some kick and cymbals in it. I only hear bass in the low end. I can barely distinguish the kick if at all. What mikes are you using? How many can you use on your kit. I think you can get a better drum sound with one mic in the room, something with more balance of the kit. Everything else sounds pretty cool. Once your drums start coming in, everything should start to fill in better. You could bring those vocals higher if you wanted. They sound good.


Good stuff, just keeping working on it and it will come together!
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Thanks for the comments and criticism, I listed everything I used in the post above, thanks for the interest. I totally hear what your saying about the kick. Oh the bass was recorded using the Direct Outputs of my brothers KUSTOM bass head. Do you think we would get better results micing his bass cab?

The kick sounded loud in my monitors, I have Samson Rubicons, no sub. Thanks for the criticism for sure and I will work on getting it more in the mix. I pretty much use up all the tracks I have being limited by the 1608 with only eight mono tracks and 4 stereo track. I have been having to bounce tracks onto the stereo tracks and I end up with one stereo track left over when I am finished. Would it be a good idea to set up a room mic and use that when we record to drums. Should I blend I room mic in with everything else?

thanks for the kind words and taking the time to point these things out. Really appreciated!
 
Valleyview eh? Very Cool to hear from a fellow Albertan. Alberta's known for our hidden treasures, so keep up the good work, and I'll look for your CD on the shelves at Starbucks. ;)
Thanks for describing your setup. Sounds like pretty good equipment IMHO. I think the eq settings are probably what's producing the sounds I'm hearing. The mics are fairly standard so should be fine. If you're not compressing then it must be the eq shaping your using. For me (and its just my opinion;)) I would open up the highs a tad to give it some clarity.

Got any snow yet? None here, but should be some in a week according to the TV. :D
 
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Thanks again, Ill definatlye try to open the highs up a little more. Im making progress in remixing, so thanks for the advice.

It's been snowing here on and off for 2 days and we have a healthy skiff on the ground now that looks like its here to stay. Can't waith for the - 40, hahahaha.
 
You may be better of DI'ing the bass then throwing a peak on 3kHz to give it some extra definition.
The bass drum does need more presence - more mids.
Jon Bennet was a clearer recording though the mix needs evening out across the stereo image.
Double each guitar part, pan the pair fairly hard & put some variation of EQ on the sep tracks to give a stereo image.
The slowed down section gives a better picture of what's going on. there's not much fat on the guitar - it's quite toppy.
the songs are fine, the mix sounds like you said - a rough mix. Try some trick - be playful, enjoy.
 
rayc said:
You may be better of DI'ing the bass then throwing a peak on 3kHz to give it some extra definition.
The bass drum does need more presence - more mids.
Jon Bennet was a clearer recording though the mix needs evening out across the stereo image.
Double each guitar part, pan the pair fairly hard & put some variation of EQ on the sep tracks to give a stereo image.
The slowed down section gives a better picture of what's going on. there's not much fat on the guitar - it's quite toppy.
the songs are fine, the mix sounds like you said - a rough mix. Try some trick - be playful, enjoy.
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Thank you very much rayc, I will definatley attempt and play around with all your suggestions, much appreciated!
 
Well I am unfamiliar with this type of rock. But I gotta say - with regard to Eds Got E.D. - the guitar pattern starting at 57 seconds is . . . HOT!!!! i REALLY like that. I can't really flow with the drum pattern - its seems like a "bang ya head" type of punk rock which is cool - I just don't have a point of reference that I can use to say anything critical. That is, the rest is really outside of my "informed" opinion base.

But that guitar lick around 57 seconds in - now that's got flava!
 
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