frustrated with mp3's and my f*&^in space

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Audition uses the MP3Pro codec. Fraunhoffer or however you spell it. It's apparently better than LAME. Some players might have problems with MP3Pro encoded files though.

Try cDex.

Once it's installed, go to Options -> Settings. Set quality to "preset CBR".

Set Bitrate (min) to 96KBPS. Make sure it's set to "J-Stereo" (joint stereo).

Then just drag & drop your WAV file on there and when the window pops up click 'Encode'.

Then check your My Music\MP3\ folder.

Compare the new MP3 to how it sounds in the MySpace player.
 
ahhhhh it all makes sense.. that HAS to be the problem.. I usually just burn a wav and bring it to another computer to convert ( i don't have the internet connected to my studio computer..) I think this is the first time i posted a mp3 made in audition in myspace. I was just trying to save some time.

i'll try that..

thanks alot
 
eeb said:
ahhhhh it all makes sense.. that HAS to be the problem.. I usually just burn a wav and bring it to another computer to convert ( i don't have the internet connected to my studio computer..) I think this is the first time i posted a mp3 made in audition in myspace. I was just trying to save some time.

i'll try that..

thanks alot
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Eeb, why would you need the internet to convert to MP3???
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
You can get a domain name and server that will more than cover your needs for a year for the cost of one movie date. Why dick around with the toy websites like meSpace when you can make your own real one that looks and sounds a whole lot better and is a whole lot more functional?

G.
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I have to stick up for myspace. I know it has it's down sides and I know it's dominated by emo kids but I've been approached by a couple of promoters who'd done a search for acoustic artists in my city and they liked my stuff.

I've been paid real cash money for gigs because of myspace.

Having your own website is good too but you don't get the networking thing that you get with myspace.

Why do you think people who sell millions of albums bother with a myspace page?
 
sorry i wasn't clear.

I don't have a program other than audition to convert wav's to mp3's.. the only reason i make mp3's is to either post for critique or to put online (which is were the internet comes in)

there are 2 different mixes now but the myspace mix is now the latest one so the 2nd one on the recordingproject page is the same mix as myspace (i changed it)
 
Kevin DeSchwazi said:
I have to stick up for myspace. I know it has it's down sides and I know it's dominated by emo kids but I've been approached by a couple of promoters who'd done a search for acoustic artists in my city and they liked my stuff.

I've been paid real cash money for gigs because of myspace.

Having your own website is good too but you don't get the networking thing that you get with myspace.

Why do you think people who sell millions of albums bother with a myspace page?
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i agree 100% which is why i'm bothering with this.. i wouldn't have bugged you guys if i wasn't planning on using myspace.. hehe it's a love hate relationship with me.. I do think it's important to have your own website and not rely solely on myspace.. to me it says alot about how serious your band is if you actually take the time to make a unique site.. anyone can slap together a myspace page in no time and no cost.
 
It's becoming an art to master tracks for myspace; I know of mastering engineers who provide a service especially for bands using myspace so that their clients can get the best sound out of the streaming audio facility.

Try making a separate master for myspace. One thing I have read to do is drop the level off a bit, and use a high pass filter starting at about 60Hz. Try looking for info on google or something.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
The main spec to watch for is not necessarily how much storage space they give you, as most hosting companies are pretty generous about that these days. Rather, the big one to watch is how much download bandwidth they give you per month.

Even if you have only five 4MB MP3s, using only 20MB of disk space, it only takes 100 streams or downloads of each song per month to use up 2GB of bandwidth.

G.
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Man, I wish my music would generate that sort of downloading frenzy. Just imagine... a whole hundred people hearing one song, and enjoying it enough to listen to the next, and so on and so forth...

It'd be like Christmas in whatever month I actually get around to putting a site together and posting some content on!
 
Hey! This guy's on recpro!

Let's not help him.

No, really. :D
 
Kevin DeSchwazi said:
I have to stick up for myspace. I know it has it's down sides and I know it's dominated by emo kids but I've been approached by a couple of promoters who'd done a search for acoustic artists in my city and they liked my stuff.

I've been paid real cash money for gigs because of myspace.

Having your own website is good too but you don't get the networking thing that you get with myspace.

Why do you think people who sell millions of albums bother with a myspace page?
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Nothing wrong with dropping a hook n' bobber into meSpace. In fact I'd recommend doing that on about a dozen different websites from meSpace to CraigsList to (shortly) IRN. One of my bands got a regular monthly gig that same way. I'm recommending making those portals to a real website for the actual content. It'll set the hook a lot deeper than a meSpace xerox template.

And frankly, eeb, you're never going to get a decent stream on meSpace if they're limiting you to 96k regardless of what bitrate you upload. You may have thought you had one sounding halfway decent before, but at 96k the physics just are not with you.
cusebassman said:
Man, I wish my music would generate that sort of downloading frenzy. Just imagine... a whole hundred people hearing one song, and enjoying it enough to listen to the next, and so on and so forth...
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We're only talking 500 hits a month here. On today's web, that's more like a trickle than a frenzy. It doesn't have to be 100 visitors d/ling 5 songs, it could be 500 visitors d/ling one song. If one hangs a worm out on meSpace and SoundClick and meTube and the local CragisList (not to mention MP3.com, lightningMP3, NowhereRadio, and a dozen other sites), then puts a real website behind those bait sites, then if they're not getting 500 d/ls a month, that's probably a sign that they should take a hint.

Of course actually posting a URL in one's sig line helps too. ;)

G.
 
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I have several friends who have started using Reverbnation.com which allows you to create an external player that you can put on your myspace page with HTML. I've heard some tracks on it and I was quite happy with them (considering that they're mp3s). I just started an account their and I'm impressed with the setup. Anyone who hasn't checked them out yet should at least give them a look.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
On today's web, that's more like a trickle than a frenzy. It doesn't have to be 100 visitors d/ling 5 songs, it could be 500 visitors d/ling one song. If one hangs a worm out on meSpace and SoundClick and meTube and the local CragisList (not to mention MP3.com, lightningMP3, NowhereRadio, and a dozen other sites), then puts a real website behind those bait sites, then if they're not getting 500 d/ls a month, that's probably a sign that they should take a hint.

Of course actually posting a URL in one's sig line helps too. ;)

G.
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Oh, I was just joking about the 100 hits thing. I don't have anything recorded that I really want to put out there yet anyway :)
 
And as for craigslist, you can post under "music to listen to" :D Never though to go on there, to be honest with ya.

I also wonder if getting around 500 total hits on all those sites means you are bad or not - enough of those people need to listen to the music before deeming it to be "teh suk", as those crazy kids would put it these days... but if it holds firmly at that number? Yea, you should probably pack it in. I've always believed that no matter what kind of content you create, there is someone (at least just that one person) who will find it pleasing/entertaining enough to listen to, even more than once all the way through! But after poking around these forums, and the multitude of mp3 posting sites out there, I am starting to rethink my philosophy slightly :)
 
hehe I just cursed myspace & then saw this thread

I have a song up on www.myspace.com/sutherlandandson & the same song is on www.sutherlandandsopn01.bebo.com

it's called Smoke Up The Ganga (I know a bit suggestive but what the........)

on myspace I had to mp3 it at 128kps & on bebo I got away with a rip at 250kps. OK so it takes a bit longer to stream on bebo compared to myspace but the quality is way ahead AND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you can upload more than 4 tracks at one time....
 
cusebassman said:
I also wonder if getting around 500 total hits on all those sites means you are bad or not - enough of those people need to listen to the music before deeming it to be "teh suk", as those crazy kids would put it these days... but if it holds firmly at that number? Yea, you should probably pack it in.
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I'm not sure just how I'd interpret holding firmly at that number, or any future patterns, FTM (unless the number just keeps going up and up and up, of course ;) :D.) There's acouple of different factors involved. Now I am not an expert Internet trend analyst, so thie following is with a big dose of IMHO, YMMV, etc...

Part of it is I would thing there'd be a fairly steady stream of new visitors in much the same way there's a fairly steady stream of new visitors and members to this BBS. If you're out there with enough hooks in the water, I'd think people would keep finding you at a fairly random, steady state*.

OTOH, one is not going to get a whole lot of return visitors unless/until you give them a reason by way of new content, and unless.until you can get word to them that there *is* new content to be checked out (either by way of a good teaser section on your website and/or by way of a mailing list they can subscribe to, and/or by constantly updating the bait on your hook sites.) But you putthe same four songs out there on a static web page for any length of time, and your be-backs willl diminish. But the randon newbs will still come in.

So, the way to keep that number from becoming static, and to have it grow via increasing the return visits (other than being an absolutely dynamite band or having a naked supermodel lead singer) is to give people a reason to come back every once in a while.

*Speaking of random newb hits, one web site which increased my number of hits (without my doing) and one which I'd consider from now on to be a nice secret weapon, is called StumbledUpon.com. Apparently someone stumbled upon my interactive frequency chart and posted it's URL on SutmbledUpon.com, and I saw a noticable spike in both my hits and downloads that lasted about two weeks after that mention, and I still have a fair trickle coming in from that source.

G.
 
All excellent points as usual, Glen. And of course, I was looking at this with little more than an entertaining comment to make - I would imagine with enough analysis of specific users who download your content, you'd be able to figure out (to an extent), all the different trends you mentioned:

1) Visitors who come once, download and try your material, and then never come back again / don't sign up for a mailing list, etc
2) Visitors who come once, download and try your material, and then return on occassion looking for new content / sign up for said mailing list, and actually access new content as it is made available

Each of these is contingent on your releasing new material, as you say - even if person 2 likes your stuff, and you let your site stagnate, they will eventually stop coming since they will assume you just don't post new content anymore.

One other thing that might simply be a problem for some is that the music they play is either not listened to much by Internet users who actively seek online music content, or is not a popular genre amongst any particular groups of people in modern culture. The former is probably more likely than the latter, since there is someone who will enjoy just about any type of content, and if that type of content was ever a somewhat widely popular genre, it is even more likely that someone will like it if its any good.

We will skip the notion that the content has to actually have some sort of intrinsic quality before people will enjoy it (and quality can mean many things - Britney Spears is "quality" if you are looking for a teen pop singer who performs generic music).

Beyond the fact that my stuff may be awful, I don't know how much of an audience there is acoustic folk music these days, and that seems to be what my material falls most closely under. So who knows - guess we'll have to wait and see :)

Also, I have in fact used that site you mentioned - it brings you to some entertaining stuff, and I think its interesting that you got some hits from it. I'll have to keep it in mind when I finally muster the creative drive to finish the lyrics to a number of songs I'm working on, and then finally muster the courage to get torn a new one by the Internet community at large :D
 
cusebassman said:
One other thing that might simply be a problem for some is that the music they play is either not listened to much by Internet users who actively seek online music content, or is not a popular genre amongst any particular groups of people in modern culture....I don't know how much of an audience there is acoustic folk music these days, and that seems to be what my material falls most closely under. So who knows - guess we'll have to wait and see
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Of course there are some genres that are the most popular and will draw the most traffic, no question about that. But think about the other side of that coin; those genres are also where there is the most competition and where it's harder to get traction.

More to the point, though, it's a huge world out there; you'd be suprised how much of a market there can be for any genre of music wahtsoever, especially thinks to the Internet which makes it do much easier to tie someone's supply to a thinly spread out market of core fans.

Just a quick example; most people here that have known my posts for a while know that I am into a wide range of music. My main man guitarist is also, and he was just telling me lat week that he found an online stream of a radio station out of Hawaii that specializes in some Hawaiian form of reggae. If a small radio station can hook two guys from Chicago without even trying, I'm sure in this city there are quite a few others who have found them, or would like them if they made themselves easier to find on the Internet (i.e. advertised and dropped plenty of hooks into the water). Just imagine how many fans they have and could have world wide.

I mean, just look at the fact that there's a radio station that can make a living broadcasting 24hrs a day a style of music that most of the world has never heard of. The fact alone that there's enough artists recording that type of material to support a station playlist (and no, they are not a "play the same 75 songs all day every day" station) is enlightening.

There's plenty of audience for acoustic folk music these days. Don't let the majority of young headbangers on this board fool you; the demographics of this board are not an accurate reflection of the demographics of the Internet-connected world at large. And even if they were, 1 in 1000 is great odds when the total connected audience is in the billions.

G.
 
Myspace is a funny old thing
Days can go by without a single friend request and only one or two listens then suddenly 4 pages of requests appear and over 200 listens. I put it down to luck really - if someone happens to stumble across a page you've commented or sees your name crop up and thinks: "Hmm, he/she/it looks interesting" and clicks on you then theres a 50% chance of getting yourself a new fan.

You need fans to be a popular artist, yet you need to be vaguely popular for people to look for you on myspace. It's a bit of a turdy situation really :(
 
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