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    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch View Post
    I see.I was assuming the "V" after the fact on top of the drywall(finish carpentry).
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    It may very well end up the "V" after the fact, on top of the drywall. I don't want to give the contractor too many twists to deal with...and since I'm most likely going to be doing all the final finish work, after the drywall...it will allow me to take my time, maybe try out some different things.
    When the crew starts "banging nails"...they like to work in a straight line and get it down fast.

    That space at RCA in Montreal...that's very close to what I'm going for, though I don't think I will be able to afford that much specialty wood treatment.
    I'm looking at some of the stuff they have at Acoustic Geometry...the curve diffusers.

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    Let me tell you...this studio build is turning into a real rollercoaster ride.

    OK...so today I meet with both the contractor and the architect...we have a nice talk for about an hour, review everything, makes some minor adjustments, and suddenly I feel like this is going to really pick up speed, especially when the architect says he'll have the plans ready in no more than two weeks.
    I'm all happy...and then about an hour later the contractor calls.

    He says he has good and bad news.
    The good news, we can get the initial permit process going with out the architect's plans, just the basic survey and how far we plan to go toward the property line, so that they can go through the formality of denying the permit...which then sets up stage two, and we go before the town board for the variance request, by which time the architect will have the plans, etc.
    The bad news...the contractor tells me he ran into the building inspector, and he asked where things are at these days going before the board...and he was told that they've become more strict, and are mostly granting variance requests for hardship cases.

    Well, I can certainly be a hardass...but I'm not sure what kind of hardship story I can put together to sway the town board...???
    I mean...do I tell them I gotta have the studio, because I've got hits all written and need a place to record them? Would they buy that as a hardship?

    Worst case...I shell out $3k-$4k for the architect's work, and they deny the variance...and I kiss that money good buy. Which would piss me off, but not being able to do the build would be a big letdown.

    Now I do have a "Plan B"...and it's not bad, it would be an addition right from my currant studio space. I would practically not need to move all my audio gear...but then it would be a different layout. My current studio space would become a dedicated control room, and I would probably rotate my mix position 90 degrees, which would be OK, because then I would be firing down the length of the whole room.
    Then the new addition would become the live room...roughly about 16' by 23', maybe even push it out to 18' by 23'...and it would sunk down lower than the control room by about 2'...which would let me have a 10' walls and with a soft peak on the roof, the center would get up to about 12'.
    It's not a bad option, it just whacks out some other things....like I don't know how to make the new bathroom thing work, since the original plan made it all fit just right.
    The positive side...it might cost me much less, especially if I have to abandon the addition of the new bathroom...which wasn't a must have, but it just made sense to add a full bathroom since the original plan made it possible.

    I told the contractor to give me until Monday, that I wanted to let this other option settle on my brain so O could really see it in my minds eye...and I would let him know. There are moments where I feel like just forgetting the whole thing, and simply making my existing spaces work. Heck, I could even appropriate the adjoining bedroom to my current space (something I thought of a few times)...call it Plan C...and just make that part of my studio. I wouldn't have the big open space with the high ceiling...but that would cost me almost nothing to do, and I could use all the planned building budget on other remodeling, not to mention...more audio gear.
    I still would love to do the original build plan...that would be the finest studio space.

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    Though i can't say i am surprised having seen this kind of thing too often, at this juncture i'm just going to keep my fingers crossed for the best possible outcome for you. Keep the faith brother!
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    Is it an area or use variance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch View Post
    Is it an area or use variance?

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    There are 40' setbacks to all property lines for permanent, livable structures with any new construction in this area. With a shed or maybe garage, it's down to 10'.
    The existing space that I am looking to expand is already past that...I think I'm about 25' from the property line at one corner...it was probably built before they went to the 40' setbacks, or the previous owners got a permit to build it that close...I don't know what happened 30 years go.

    I'm looking to push it out another 10' closer to the property line on that one side. My neighbors couldn't care less, we get along just fine...and I would be "encroaching" on a totally wooded area...there is nothing there and no realistic possibility that my neighbor (who's house is up closer to the road than mine) would ever be expanding his house down there into the woods, or using it for anything. The other surrounding neighbors are also all separated from me by lots of woods and they are well beyond the 40' setback distance from me.
    The real potential issue is that the town looks at it not from those perspectives...but rather that if they allow me, then they have a harder time denying someone else. Of course, that would assume that suddenly the majority of property owners in the township are all going to start submitting building permits that exceed setback limits, and there would be a run on variance requests, etc...or some such nonsense.

    It's a small town board...they have some power, and this is what people with power do, they try and make everyone else conform to their way of thinking.
    You see that every day, everywhere in the world.
    Of course, these are just elected/assigned officials...they don't own the town...so it's possible that the next round of officials may think different, if the general politics swing. There is an election for the town officials this year... ...so I think the current board members may be a bit more receptive to requests so as not to upset their chances on election day.

    At any rate, after feeling a bit of frustration and some confusion last night which way to go with this...I got some sleep, and today I promptly called my contractor and told him not to hold of on anything, and the plans we have agreed on ARE the ones I want to pursue.
    I don't wish to now start backing off on the possibility that the town board will deny my variance request. I have a pretty good argument planned...and I can be pretty persuasive and hold my ground in most debates...so I will let them be the ones to make the stronger argument not to grant the variance, rather than start backing off now, before I even have my chance to present anything to them.
    I think even now, before I go in front of the town board...it's at least a 50/50 shot, and with some well presented points, my odds should be much better than that.
    It's like so many other things...I just have to work the problem when it arises, and usually there's a solution.

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    Talk to the architect about your secondary plan, including how to add the bathroom, and get his input. I would be trusting to what the building inspector said. They're strict here - you can build additions onto a house that is closer to the property lines than is permitted for new construction, but the new construction has to be set back per the new rules (so you can build n one/2 sides of the house, but not on the side(s) closest to the line.) I ran into this when i looked at reconstructing my garage that I lost one winter.
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    Might be able to show precedent.
    If the council did it once they can do it again.
    Especially if it was a board members property.

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    There's a house a few roads away, but same township and in a purely residential area, where they have a big house, but then next to the house, the guy built a big wood shop initially...and then a couple of years later, did a big addition to the wood shop, so now the wood shop is bigger than the house...and the whole thing sits (from what I can tell) only about 10-20 feet from his neighbor's property...since there is only a very narrow tree line between then, and you can see where the neighbor cuts his grass right up to it.

    There another house nearby, where the guy does excavation as his main thing...and he's got dump tucks, excavators, trailers and all kinds of "stuff" in his driveway and front yard...which isn't allowed by default in a residential zone. I doubt the wood shop guy build all that without permits or variances...and this other guy has been there with his excavation business for a bunch of years, so I don't know if he's just doing it without permit/variances, because it's pretty obvious and not just some weekend thing.

    I'm sure if I drive up and down a few other roads and really take note, I will see more like that...so if they are going to give me a hard time about 10', I will certainly argue my point, and if they deny it, I will appeal at the county level. I am focused on making this happen...this is an improvement to my property, they will certainly tap me for more taxes, and the build will not impact anyone on any negative level. No one will even notice considering how my house is set back from the street.

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    yeah, sticking it to the man !! Fight the power. Let your anger flow, embrace the dark side. Wait, what?

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