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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack Caster View Post
    ...have the notary read it, wrap tape around it, seal it and stamp it, then put it in the mail addressed back to you. That way if you had to go to court, the Judge would be the first one to open it, and see the date the notary stamped it. Time line has now been proven in a Court of Law.
    HA! Thanks, Mack. I'm doing as you describe in addition to filing with the U.S. Library of Congress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolCat View Post
    I just did another CD of 8 songs and it was under SR that cost $55.
    Is the $55 cost because it's designated a Sound Recording, rather than a typical copyright application at $35?

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    I uploaded a folder of ZIP as they requested, but then didnt trust it and uploaded each MP3 individually too. $55....for peace of mind. I snap shot the screen and capture the Number of the Registration is all.

    There's a reg number and submission immediately available, instead of waiting forever in the mail.
    Like you, I'll take a screen capture, but I'll copy each step in the application process. I trust nothing when it comes to online transactions, except maybe Murphy's Law...

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    So before I pull the trigger, the following is my understanding of the consensus among you all (and THANKS for your helpful contributions):

    1. At the time of online registration I will receive a registration number / submission number.

    2. That number is all the protection I need, so I can go ahead and publicize the song from that moment on.

    3. I will receive a hardcopy paper confirmation in the mail, but probably not until months after I submit the copyright application online.

    Puh-leeze tell me if I'm wrong.
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    Yes (to all 3 questions).
    But note to the lastest thing I found out about 'SR' copyrighting - if you publicly release a physical copy of the SR, the LofC will require actual copies (2) - wait until they contact you to about this, though. They never used to require this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjbphotos View Post
    Yes (to all 3 questions).
    But note to the lastest thing I found out about 'SR' copyrighting - if you publicly release a physical copy of the SR, the LofC will require actual copies (2) - wait until they contact you to about this, though. They never used to require this.
    Thanks for your comments above. I remain confused about SR vs. PA, and since you've been studying up maybe you can clarify this:

    1. I'm a songwriter, so I want the standard PA protection.

    2. I expect to sell recording rights to other artists.

    3. BUT...I will make a full-blown audio recording myself,

    4. And will also upload a less-involved performance video to YouTube.

    My audio and video recordings are not likely to be "money makers" (though you never can tell...) so do I need to file form SR or just PA?

    Thank you, mjbphotos and/or whoever answers this.

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    PA = Performing Arts works. IF this is a single song, then you can use the form PA< but if this is a collection of songs and you want each to be copyrighted, you need to use form SR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjbphotos View Post
    PA = Performing Arts works. IF this is a single song, then you can use the form PA< but if this is a collection of songs and you want each to be copyrighted, you need to use form SR.
    this is exactly right. picture from the actual gov regist site.
    you have to click on this pic to enlarge it but it says things pretty straight forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Overthere View Post
    Is the $55 cost because it's designated a Sound Recording, rather than a typical copyright application at $35?


    Like you, I'll take a screen capture, but I'll copy each step in the application process. I trust nothing when it comes to online transactions, except maybe Murphy's Law...
    that looks right. $35 for single....$55 for an album

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    Its interesting, so I did a search of the Copyrights....using Paul McCartney as name.,

    Ebony and Ivory was done as a PA and then the performance with Stevie Wonder and Paul McCartney was under SR,
    other artists will do their arrangement using the PA.

    So Im thinking the "SR" is getting the actual song locked in but also your personal version of it....maybe the PA is more like "heres the song words and music"" and people can do their own version of it and copy right that version/arrangement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolCat View Post
    Fresh after submitting- I'll share my few tips...confusion.

    The first thing that stumps me every time is "do I use PA or SR?" forms when its asked. It seems either can work but this definition leans towards SR (sound recording). Like most HR doing a CD or collection of tunes under one title and wanting to save money from registering each song individually $$$$..... SR is the one per the definition for both the music&lyrics and recording.
    Yes the PA is what I do most times with a guitar/vocal when really just worried about the publishing for the song. When the recording is going to be sold as is for downloading, jingle, etc. I use SR. That way when some rapper wants to sample my awesome guitar riff, I can get mine
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