Tuner Calibration
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philboyd studge
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You can calibrate them? Far out.
A Reel Person
It's Too Funky in Here!!!
Standard, 440.
Detuning doesn't do anything for me. What'r'ya nuts?
I haven't mastered the guitar in standard tuning yet. No need for the others. Music I listen to is not detuned either, thank you.
Detuning doesn't do anything for me. What'r'ya nuts?
I haven't mastered the guitar in standard tuning yet. No need for the others. Music I listen to is not detuned either, thank you.
The reason I started this poll is because most music seems to be tuned to around 443. If I tune, by ear, to the radio, I always end up around 443.
Classical music (orchestra/piano) is tuned to 440, but I think everything else is tuned a little sharp.
Maybe I need to calibrate my ear!
Classical music (orchestra/piano) is tuned to 440, but I think everything else is tuned a little sharp.
Maybe I need to calibrate my ear!
philboyd studge
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I set the tuners to 440 tune the guitar strings a little below it to around 438 so that it plays in tune with fretted. Seems to be more critical with nylon strings.
Wow. I've been tuning to 443 or about 12 cents sharp of 440 for years. I thought I was tuning to the standard for modern music. I understand that there is no rule that says you have to tune to a certain pitch, but I like to be in tune with more songs on the radio and off CD's so I can play along. Some songs on the radio are off more or less, but the average seems to me to be 443, if you tune to dead center on your tuner. (If you tune a little sharp to a 440 tuner, you probably end up i the same place.)
hmm. I consider myself to have quite good ears, but this is make me wonder a little.
hmm. I consider myself to have quite good ears, but this is make me wonder a little.
A Reel Person
It's Too Funky in Here!!!
Hmmmm. When I tune to 440, most cds seem to be in tune w/guitar.
Maybe the radio station is doing a bit of a speed-shift, pitch-shift, in order to save a little time off each song?
I also tuned my piano to 440 standard, and it also seems to be in perfect tune with most cds, most of the time. Sure, there's the occasional exception, but I believe most of the music I'm listening to is a straight A=440 standard.
I don't listen to the radio much, or enough to discern a problem.
IMO, the radio broadcast process compresses the music a bit, so maybe they also pitch shift up a bit, too, in the name of saving time. [???]
Maybe the radio station is doing a bit of a speed-shift, pitch-shift, in order to save a little time off each song?
I also tuned my piano to 440 standard, and it also seems to be in perfect tune with most cds, most of the time. Sure, there's the occasional exception, but I believe most of the music I'm listening to is a straight A=440 standard.
I don't listen to the radio much, or enough to discern a problem.
IMO, the radio broadcast process compresses the music a bit, so maybe they also pitch shift up a bit, too, in the name of saving time. [???]
Outlaws
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All I have to say is that I have one of those Peterson Virtual Stobe tuners and for some reason when I put an A 440 tuning fork up to it I am showing a flat sign so I have to adjust the calibration up an additional 1.4.....what ever that is. I assume 1.4 cents since it is supposed to be acruate to 1/10th of a cent.
But anyways I can't save the calibration.
So that really doesn't matter to this thread but oh well.......
But anyways I can't save the calibration.
So that really doesn't matter to this thread but oh well.......
I used Adobe Audition's frequency analysis on a few songs where only an A was being played, and they were more or less 440 (or 220, 110, 880).
But I'm still in denial damnit! I've been playing sharp for 8 years and I'm not going to be convinced this easy!
Just want to let you know that you're all tuning flat.
But I'm still in denial damnit! I've been playing sharp for 8 years and I'm not going to be convinced this easy!
Just want to let you know that you're all tuning flat.
teknomike
Oldbie
kremitmusic said:Is that true???
Not exactly - in North America (and South Korea, incidentally), dial tone is a combination of two frequencies - 350 and 440 Hz.
If you want a pure 440Hz dial tone, go to France.
Same with DTMF (what you get when you press your number keys on your telephone). They are a combination of frequencies. That's why they call it Dual Tone Multi Frequency.
Hope that helps - I'm a telephony guy...
Mike
Treena Foster
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Re: 440
Standard Pitch = 440
Concert Pitch = 442
History of Pitch
1640 Vienna Franciscan Organ A457.6
1699 Paris Opera the note A 404
1711 John Shore, who invented the tuning fork, of which one still exists today, with a pitch of A 423.5
1780 Stines, for Mozart A421
1780 Organ-builder Schulz A421.3
1714 Strasbourg Cathedral organ A391
1722 Dresden's chief R C church organ A415
1759 Trinity College Cambridge organ A 309
1762 Stringed instruments at Hamburg A 405
1772 Gottfried Silbermann built the organ in the main R.C. church in Dresden, which had a pitch of A 415 at the time.
1780 Organ-builder Schulz A 421.3
1780 Stein's tuning fork A422.6
1751 Handel's own Fork A422.5
1800 Broadwood's C fork 505.7, which is about half a semitone lower than that of today
1811 Paris Grand Opera A 427
1812 Paris Conservatoire A440, as modern pitch
1813 George Smart adopted for the Philharmonic Society the pitch of A 423.3
1820 Westminster Abbey organ and possibly Paris comic Opera used a pitch of A 422.5
1828 Philharmonic Society A 440
1834 Vienna Opera A 436.5
1835 Wolfels piano maker A443
1836 Pleyel's Pianos A446
1846 Philharmonic pitch was A452.5 (very high) which lasted till 1854
1846 Mr Hipkins piano tuner (Meantone) A433.5 (Equal) A436.0
1849 Broadwood's medium pitch was A 445.9 which lasted till 1854
1858 New Philharmonic pitch C522
1860 Cramer's Piano makers of London A448.4
1862 Dresden Opera A 440
1871 Covent Garden Opera House A 440
1877 Collard's piano Maker standard pitch was A 449.9
1877 St Paul Cathedral organ A446.6
1877 Chappell Pianos A455.9
1877 Mr Hipkins piano tuner A448.8
1878 Her Majesty's Organ A436.1
1878 Vienna Opera A447
1879 Covent Garden Opera A450
1879 Erard's factory fork 455.3
1879 Steinways of England A 454.
1879 British Army regulation pitch for woodwind A451.9
1880 Brinsmead, Broadwood, Erard apparently used a pitch of A455.3,
1880 Steinways were possibly using a pitch of A436. According to Steinways NY, 1880 is right around the time they switched from three piece rims to the continuous rim that is used today. So it is unlikely the pitch was any higher before 1880 yet Steinways London had a fork A 454.7
1885 In Vienna a pitch of 435.4 was adopted at a temperature of 59% Fahrenheit for A
1885 At an international exhibition of inventions and music in London a pitch of A452 was adopted
1896 Philharmonic pitch A439, giving C522
1925 on the 11th of June the American music industry adopted A440
1936 American Standards Association adopted A440
1939 At an international conference A440 was adopted.
The pitch of A440 has remained since 1939. Pitches have risen a little, particularly in Eastern European countries, which often wish pianos to be tuned to A 444 or even a bit above. Some concert halls in the UK and European countries have two pianos on site. One tuned to A440 and one tuned to A 444. This is to keep the pianos stable, as constantly raising and lowering the pitch is not good for the piano; it makes it hard for the piano tuner to make the tuning stable.
Treena
badassmak said:440 Wedge...Dodge.
Standard Pitch = 440
Concert Pitch = 442
History of Pitch
1640 Vienna Franciscan Organ A457.6
1699 Paris Opera the note A 404
1711 John Shore, who invented the tuning fork, of which one still exists today, with a pitch of A 423.5
1780 Stines, for Mozart A421
1780 Organ-builder Schulz A421.3
1714 Strasbourg Cathedral organ A391
1722 Dresden's chief R C church organ A415
1759 Trinity College Cambridge organ A 309
1762 Stringed instruments at Hamburg A 405
1772 Gottfried Silbermann built the organ in the main R.C. church in Dresden, which had a pitch of A 415 at the time.
1780 Organ-builder Schulz A 421.3
1780 Stein's tuning fork A422.6
1751 Handel's own Fork A422.5
1800 Broadwood's C fork 505.7, which is about half a semitone lower than that of today
1811 Paris Grand Opera A 427
1812 Paris Conservatoire A440, as modern pitch
1813 George Smart adopted for the Philharmonic Society the pitch of A 423.3
1820 Westminster Abbey organ and possibly Paris comic Opera used a pitch of A 422.5
1828 Philharmonic Society A 440
1834 Vienna Opera A 436.5
1835 Wolfels piano maker A443
1836 Pleyel's Pianos A446
1846 Philharmonic pitch was A452.5 (very high) which lasted till 1854
1846 Mr Hipkins piano tuner (Meantone) A433.5 (Equal) A436.0
1849 Broadwood's medium pitch was A 445.9 which lasted till 1854
1858 New Philharmonic pitch C522
1860 Cramer's Piano makers of London A448.4
1862 Dresden Opera A 440
1871 Covent Garden Opera House A 440
1877 Collard's piano Maker standard pitch was A 449.9
1877 St Paul Cathedral organ A446.6
1877 Chappell Pianos A455.9
1877 Mr Hipkins piano tuner A448.8
1878 Her Majesty's Organ A436.1
1878 Vienna Opera A447
1879 Covent Garden Opera A450
1879 Erard's factory fork 455.3
1879 Steinways of England A 454.
1879 British Army regulation pitch for woodwind A451.9
1880 Brinsmead, Broadwood, Erard apparently used a pitch of A455.3,
1880 Steinways were possibly using a pitch of A436. According to Steinways NY, 1880 is right around the time they switched from three piece rims to the continuous rim that is used today. So it is unlikely the pitch was any higher before 1880 yet Steinways London had a fork A 454.7
1885 In Vienna a pitch of 435.4 was adopted at a temperature of 59% Fahrenheit for A
1885 At an international exhibition of inventions and music in London a pitch of A452 was adopted
1896 Philharmonic pitch A439, giving C522
1925 on the 11th of June the American music industry adopted A440
1936 American Standards Association adopted A440
1939 At an international conference A440 was adopted.
The pitch of A440 has remained since 1939. Pitches have risen a little, particularly in Eastern European countries, which often wish pianos to be tuned to A 444 or even a bit above. Some concert halls in the UK and European countries have two pianos on site. One tuned to A440 and one tuned to A 444. This is to keep the pianos stable, as constantly raising and lowering the pitch is not good for the piano; it makes it hard for the piano tuner to make the tuning stable.
Treena
subtractor
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Wow... That's a helluva first post.
Welcome!
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