christiaan
Active member
FYI: I just ran into this. The gear still looks a whole lot like the original Joemeeks.
Joemeek -> Promeek -> TFPRO
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Speeddemon
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I assume you guys didn't know that Alan Hyatt (president of PMI Audio) owns the Joemeek name, and made ProMeek drop theirs...jslator said:
alanhyatt
PMI Audio Group
Hang on there guys.... Rome was not built in a day. These guys are scrambling to do and say what ever they can to try and keep their business alive, and still associate it with Joemeek.
Now we have hired lawyers and they will do what they need to do, but as you know, you just can't do things in one hour. We did purchase the Joemeek name, and many of you know that I have been involved from the beginning. In fact, here is a quote from Ted Fletcher himself about me...
Hi XXXX,
I have sent this nest of emails to Alan Hyatt who is Mr Joemeek in USA......I'm sure he will come back to you immediately.
Kind regards, Ted Fletcher Managing Director, Fletcher Electroacoustics Ltd. tel +44 1803 321934 (direct) fax +44 1803 321922 "If it sounds right, it IS right", Joe Meek, 1964
Even they knew I was the driving force behind the company
Here are the problems. First of all, I now own the Joemeek Trademark Worldwide and intend to bring back Joemeek to all its glory. They are using my mark without my permission and not acknowledging that the mark is registered and owned by me on their site. In fact, they are using joemeek.net!!!
They have been sent a cease and desist notice that they seem to be electing to ignore. I can't go over there and just shoot them...or can I?
All I can say is that I know all about the details and problems with Ted Fletchers designs. He has cheapened them over the years and now they are nothing of what they once were. All of the Joemeek models are being redesigned for a reason. This will be spelled out soon enough on our web site, but we all know that what TFprois doing is all very illegal. We will get them shut down as we did Promeek. I can't stop a product called TFpro unless it is palming or passing off its products to look and act like Joemeek, then they are in violation. I leave this to the attorney's.
I promise that the new Joemeek products will be so much better sounding, more features, and better build quality that the market will know the difference immediately. The end result will be that Joemeek will prevail and TFpro will go out of business just like they did on Joemeek.
So, that is the story. How you perceive it is up to you....
Now we have hired lawyers and they will do what they need to do, but as you know, you just can't do things in one hour. We did purchase the Joemeek name, and many of you know that I have been involved from the beginning. In fact, here is a quote from Ted Fletcher himself about me...
Hi XXXX,
I have sent this nest of emails to Alan Hyatt who is Mr Joemeek in USA......I'm sure he will come back to you immediately.
Kind regards, Ted Fletcher Managing Director, Fletcher Electroacoustics Ltd. tel +44 1803 321934 (direct) fax +44 1803 321922 "If it sounds right, it IS right", Joe Meek, 1964
Even they knew I was the driving force behind the company
Here are the problems. First of all, I now own the Joemeek Trademark Worldwide and intend to bring back Joemeek to all its glory. They are using my mark without my permission and not acknowledging that the mark is registered and owned by me on their site. In fact, they are using joemeek.net!!!
They have been sent a cease and desist notice that they seem to be electing to ignore. I can't go over there and just shoot them...or can I?
All I can say is that I know all about the details and problems with Ted Fletchers designs. He has cheapened them over the years and now they are nothing of what they once were. All of the Joemeek models are being redesigned for a reason. This will be spelled out soon enough on our web site, but we all know that what TFprois doing is all very illegal. We will get them shut down as we did Promeek. I can't stop a product called TFpro unless it is palming or passing off its products to look and act like Joemeek, then they are in violation. I leave this to the attorney's.
I promise that the new Joemeek products will be so much better sounding, more features, and better build quality that the market will know the difference immediately. The end result will be that Joemeek will prevail and TFpro will go out of business just like they did on Joemeek.
So, that is the story. How you perceive it is up to you....
Tom Cram
New member
I'm confused...
So, then who started the Joe Meek brand? You or Ted?
Tom Cram
dbx Senior Technical Support
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tcram@dbxpro.com
"I should have been a plumber."
-Albert Einstein-
So, then who started the Joe Meek brand? You or Ted?
Tom Cram
dbx Senior Technical Support
(801) 568-7530
tcram@dbxpro.com
"I should have been a plumber."
-Albert Einstein-
Speeddemon
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Possible answers:alanhyatt said:
They have been sent a cease and desist notice that they seem to be electing to ignore. I can't go over there and just shoot them...or can I?
"Shooting in studio's ain't new anymore"
"If Phil can, then YOU can!"
"Hey, Joe Meek shot himself, maybe you should give ol' Ted a 'hint' "
Yeah i know... I'm being grossly out of line here, but that's what European jokes are about, eh?
alanhyatt
PMI Audio Group
Speeddemon said:Possible answers:
"Shooting in studio's ain't new anymore"
"If Phil can, then YOU can!"
"Hey, Joe Meek shot himself, maybe you should give ol' Ted a 'hint' "
Yeah i know... I'm being grossly out of line here, but that's what European jokes are about, eh?
Well I have no issue with Ted Fletcher being in business. He has every right to be, but he failed with Joemeek! So now he needs to get over it, move on and not copy or infringe off what he lost. If Focusrite or other manufacturer purchased the Trademark assets, they would look to protect themself as well.
All I ask is that TFpro change the color and layout so it is not confused as a Joemeek product, and stop infringing on the Joemeek Trademark.
I think in the end the lawyers will have their field day at our expense. The products, well they will speak for themselves and in the end I know both in Europe and USA that Joemeek will be the superior product.
alanhyatt said:
The purchase agreement should have expressly dealt with color schemes, use of the "Joe Meek" name in the context of advertising and providing services, transfer of domain names, etc., etc., etc. Maybe you could have even worked-in a non-competition clause. I think the moral of the story is that a little more money spent up front on lawyers often saves you from having to spend a lot more on them at the end of the day.
alanhyatt
PMI Audio Group
jslator said:
You have to understand the UK Law and the manner to which the Trademark was offered for sale before you comment like that.
The law works very differently here in the US. It is here that I will have much more power in protecting my Trademark. In the UK, I will prevail on several issues, and have to litigate the others. So, there really is no moral at this point. Your points are well taken, but the situation regarding the sale of the mark is much different in the UK.
alanhyatt
PMI Audio Group
joel77 said:
Joel,
That is why I bought the company. I was tired of seeing Joemeek made more cheaply each and everytime out. I was repairing them at a rate of over 15% failures.
Yes, the Joemeek units sound good, but new Jomeeks will sound better, be better built, have more usable features and still cost the same, or maybe less. I will bring the Joemeek name back to the status it should have by doing the designs the right way!
chessparov
New member
"back to the status"
Please remember to include the Grey Poupon with each new
Joe Meek product then Alan!
Remember the joke that hell is where the English are engineers? Or was it their cooking? Or both?
Just kidding, I like much of that stuff a lot like "tea time",
fish & chips, Jaguars, and Elizabeth Hurley.
Glad to hear it's staying affordable for us commoners.
Jolly good show 'ol chap.
Chris
Please remember to include the Grey Poupon with each new
Joe Meek product then Alan!
Remember the joke that hell is where the English are engineers? Or was it their cooking? Or both?
Just kidding, I like much of that stuff a lot like "tea time",
fish & chips, Jaguars, and Elizabeth Hurley.
Glad to hear it's staying affordable for us commoners.
Jolly good show 'ol chap.
Chris
c7sus said:
I gotta second that!!
Alan,
Any thoughts on when you will be re-releasing the Joe Meek line. I was all set to buy one and had my wife talked into it, when I read you were pulling the entire line...AARRGGHHH. So now I will have to wait. I am sure it will be worth it.
Thanks,
brutus
alanhyatt
PMI Audio Group
I am very informed of the old Joemeek designs by Ted Fletcher. I do not want to slander the man, or print out tests, graphs and other documentations on tests we had done on his circuits.
All I will say is that you all know me not to be a liar. I am very straight forward and very direct...as you know with everyone. The new Joemeek products, and I have been listening to the circuits is 20 times better. I promise, Ted Fletcher will be a thing of the past once the new units are out.
Sorry to have to make you all wait, but the wait will be more than worth it. I stake my reputation on this...even though my reputation is squat with a few Brits right now, but Malcolm Toft is way more ledgendary than Ted Fletcher will ever hope to be, and Malcolm is a way better designer than Ted. Alan Bradford who is doing the Joemeek redesign is just amazing both Malcolm and myself. The latest Alan Bradford designs before he joined up with us is HERE
Now all I can say is he has outdone himself by leaps and bounds. The entire details of our test results and findings will eventually be posted, but not until such time as out products are out. We do not want to give Ted Fletcher the knowledge to fix his own problems. The gear will speak for them self....
All I will say is that you all know me not to be a liar. I am very straight forward and very direct...as you know with everyone. The new Joemeek products, and I have been listening to the circuits is 20 times better. I promise, Ted Fletcher will be a thing of the past once the new units are out.
Sorry to have to make you all wait, but the wait will be more than worth it. I stake my reputation on this...even though my reputation is squat with a few Brits right now, but Malcolm Toft is way more ledgendary than Ted Fletcher will ever hope to be, and Malcolm is a way better designer than Ted. Alan Bradford who is doing the Joemeek redesign is just amazing both Malcolm and myself. The latest Alan Bradford designs before he joined up with us is HERE
Now all I can say is he has outdone himself by leaps and bounds. The entire details of our test results and findings will eventually be posted, but not until such time as out products are out. We do not want to give Ted Fletcher the knowledge to fix his own problems. The gear will speak for them self....
WATYF
...happier than you.
well good... now that alan won't jump up my anus for saying this,...
I tried the Meek MQ3.... and it sucked @ss!!!!!
It was incredibly nasty. The "compressor" sucked donkey balls like nobody's bidness, and the pre was as bad as, if not worse, than the stock pres on my old 50 dollar behringer mixer.
aaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!
there... glad I could get that out...
WATYF
I tried the Meek MQ3.... and it sucked @ss!!!!!
It was incredibly nasty. The "compressor" sucked donkey balls like nobody's bidness, and the pre was as bad as, if not worse, than the stock pres on my old 50 dollar behringer mixer.
aaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!
there... glad I could get that out...
WATYF
chessparov
New member
WATYF, as I also own a Behringer mixer (used as headphone amp!), to be fair, the pre's on the VC6Q on down are actually pretty good and superior to the Behringer's by a long shot.
Keep in mind too that certain mikes do better on certain pre's.
The compressor took me a few weeks of experimentation to get the hang of, and it's capable of excellent results.
For a home recordist like myself, just using its compression section for mixing at first is a lot safer than medium or hard driven compression going in.
The EQ section was at least as good as the Soundcraft M series
mixers, which are a step above the Mackie VLZ Pro's.
It pays to be patient with gear, it took me a looong time to figure
out that the Shure SM57 does well for my voice.
Only having experience with Bellari (yuck!) and Behringer (oi!)
pre's lead me to believe it sucked... The mike that is.
Chris
Keep in mind too that certain mikes do better on certain pre's.
The compressor took me a few weeks of experimentation to get the hang of, and it's capable of excellent results.
For a home recordist like myself, just using its compression section for mixing at first is a lot safer than medium or hard driven compression going in.
The EQ section was at least as good as the Soundcraft M series
mixers, which are a step above the Mackie VLZ Pro's.
It pays to be patient with gear, it took me a looong time to figure
out that the Shure SM57 does well for my voice.
Only having experience with Bellari (yuck!) and Behringer (oi!)
pre's lead me to believe it sucked... The mike that is.
Chris