Oregon Suspends Basic Skills Graduation Requirement in the Name of Equity

brassplyer said:
I can't speak for anyone else but I'm really going to disappoint you - I've never even been drunk or smoked a joint - lol.

I've gotten a few tickets but so far have avoided being arrested.

I once broke up a bogus school zone revenue scam conducted by local police.
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Well there's your problem.... brother, you haven't lived until you've been drunk, stoned, and arrested.
 
leddy said:
As I’ve suggested, home ownership and education, based on what I understand, are the key parts to long term solutions. Providing very low cost loans for those things would be a start. I understand that doing that race-based is problematic. I don’t have a solution to make BP happy on that. My point is, if the problem was created because of race, I don’t see an issue with the solution being so as well - but I’m open to changing that view if it can realistically achieve results.

Fixing schools at younger grades is important too. There are shortages of teachers, let alone good ones. Schools need more money for smaller class sizes. Kids need to be fed well.

I do not believe we should be cutting back on arrests or charging criminals. I’m all for holding people responsible. Not doing so leads to very bad things.
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Yes - all that. And let's not forget the obvious... talking about it in the way that you have here. Good on you brother. You're a good dude.
 
leddy said:
As I’ve suggested, home ownership and education, based on what I understand, are the key parts to long term solutions. Providing very low cost loans for those things would be a start. I understand that doing that race-based is problematic. I don’t have a solution to make BP happy on that. My point is, if the problem was created because of race, I don’t see an issue with the solution being so as well - but I’m open to changing that view if it can realistically achieve results.
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That’s a huge task, as in humongous. There are so many factors Involved. I don’t even know where to begin. But let’s take a tiny sliver.

Music. Early on we had blues, jazz, Dixieland. All pretty wholesome as well as artistic. Blacks were very much involved.

60s gave us Motown, the 4 tops, Aretha Franklin etc.

Then we had Jimi Hendrix who promoted peace and tried in his own way to bridge the racial gap. And I think he did a good job.

And then, hip hop culture started coming in with bitches and Ho’s, materialistic bling and a “I’m gonna get me mine” mentality.

And then we get gangsta rap. Promoting that lifestyle. Promoting ‘ bust a cap in yo ass’

Maybe you can’t blame the artists or maybe you can. But who is promoting this crap. Who’s fueling the machine to put out this decadent violent filth?? Who’s the money behind it?

Does art imitate society or does it create the society? Hard to say, but I think it’s a one hand washes the other kind of thing.

I’ve often said that Martin Luther King jr would probably be rolling over in his grave if he could see what has happened to his people. All the progress that he and his movement made only to devolve into a thug culture.
That’s not meant to be a general all encompassing statement but thug culture does exist.

And if your the victim of a mugging, car jacking, home invasion, or a drive by shooting, you’re not going to be thinking of the poor perpetrator and how this all stems from multigenerational oppression, racism and poverty. No. You want the bastard (s) to be put behind bars or maybe even shot.

I brought up the music, because it shapes society. Many may not agree, but it does shape the way people think, and I believe it’s a part of why the current culture is the way it is.
 
PorterhouseMusic said:
Well there's your problem.... brother, you haven't lived until you've been drunk, stoned, and arrested.
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Arrested but not charged. Arrested puts a little fear of god in to you. Charged fks up your life.

I came down so hard on my kids with that message. Do not do something that will get you a record.
 
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leddy said:
Separate issues. Removing roadblocks starts with recognizing and acknowledging that past discrimination has affected the outcomes of where we are today.
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Removing roadblocks involves removing roadblocks. Discrimination in housing, lending are legally prohibited.

leddy said:
I grew up poor in one of the US’ largest cities. I’ve been mugged. I’ve witnessed a murder. I worked in predominantly black neighborhoods.
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Are you black?


brassplyer said:
Leddy won't be happy unless the curriculum contains terms like "white devils", "white supremacy", "equity", "micro aggressions", "systemic racism", "oppressors", "colonialism", "are owed reparations forever" etc.
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leddy said:
We can have a conversation, or you can talk shit. I can do that too.
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You've made it clear you believe in reparations and that you think black woes are to be blamed on whitey so clarify for me where the shit talk is?
 
leddy said:
Just like higher crime rates among blacks, I’m not disputing that. I never did. I’m saying that if you oppress a group of people for generations, it will have some consequences. The behaviors stem from a culture formed by lack of education, opportunity and forced poverty. I don’t know how many ways I can say it. If you want things to change, we need to address those factors. It seems like you don’t believe that. You seem to want to point to those behaviors to justify saying black people bad.
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brassplyer said:
I think any teacher or administrator who's honest will tell you they have disproportionate problems with black students
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You need to address what I said above to continue any conversation with me. Bottom line, I believe that you look for ways to justify your belief that black people are inferior, rather than consider the possibility that discrimination has played a role. I’m flat-out calling you a racist pos now. It’s obvious I’ve been thinking it for a while, but you’ve done nothing to change my mind. You just ridicule and avoid addressing these direct accusations. No rational person would let this go unless they were ok with it.
 
leddy said:
I’m flat-out calling you a racist pos now.
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Lol - how many times are you going to make this "The gloves are off now! I finally and at last dub thee a racist scoundrel!!" declaration? :ROFLMAO:

How do you feel about Margaret Sanger?
 
leddy said:
That’s a bit much. My kids are in tech fields - went to top tier schools, worked their asses off, working harder than I ever did. I know lots of kids like them. I don’t buy the inflation thing being on democrats. It’s world wide.

Housing costs so much more than it used to - not because of inflation. Boomer demographics working against them, large corporations buying up all the houses to corner the rental market. They’ve got a different set of challenges than we did.

As far as race - I’ve said what I feel several times in this thread. We’ve righted most of the wrongs, but the effects of past sins are entrenched. There needs to be some external force to break down the systemic issues.
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It isn't too much, as long as you realize it's not 100%. It's well over 50% are coddled.

As a pauper, I can say with authority -

A) My wage was the same when Obama - Trump - Biden were Presidents. ONLY ONE gave me more money, and made most Americans life easier, Trump.
B) Prices on most every day items lowered when Trump was President. At one point in Trump's Presidency, not long before Biden took office, we were paying $2 a gallon. Biden entered office and it rarely if ever hit below $3.

Do you honestly think that kids have it harder now than they did in the 30s, 40s, or 50s? Every generation has issues.
leddy said:
And seriously, it wasn’t the Brits land to give. They promised the Arabs independence in return for support against the Ottoman Empire in WW1. The Brits screwed them.
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It seems like the Brits screw everyone. Perhaps the Palestinians should sue for their land back.
Ujn Hunter said:
I'm white. I've never been called a racist... do you know why? Because I'm not a racist. If you've been called a racist... it wasn't because you were white. You say lots of racist shit... because... you're a racist. Don't get these things confused.
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I've never been called a racist. I've actually been told by some black co-workers "you're one of the good ones." I've also only hung out with minorities at all my jobs. We get along well.

Please point out the "racist shit" I say. Just cut and paste.
 
Snowman999 said:
As a pauper, I can say with authority -

A) My wage was the same when Obama - Trump - Biden were Presidents. ONLY ONE gave me more money, and made most Americans life easier, Trump.
B) Prices on most every day items lowered when Trump was President. At one point in Trump's Presidency, not long before Biden took office, we were paying $2 a gallon. Biden entered office and it rarely if ever hit below $3.
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You are honestly comparing a pre-pandemic economy to a post-pandemic economy, and you believe the difference is the president? Look around the world. EVERY country experienced similar effects, but you’re blaming democrats? Surely you can see the issue there.
Snowman999 said:
Do you honestly think that kids have it harder now than they did in the 30s, 40s, or 50s? Every generation has issues.
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I said kids today have it harder than my generation did, mainly because of housing costs. That is provable. Average house right now averages 7x average income. In the 80’s it was about 4x. Housing, and therefore rents as well (which are usually the largest of someone’s expenses), take nearly twice the amount out of someone’s income that it used to when I was first starting out. So what I said is true. College costs have also FAR outpaced regular inflation, so if mom and dad aren’t paying for it, guess what?
 
Snowman999 said:
A) My wage was the same when Obama - Trump - Biden were Presidents. ONLY ONE gave me more money, and made most Americans life easier, Trump.
B) Prices on most every day items lowered when Trump was President. At one point in Trump's Presidency, not long before Biden took office, we were paying $2 a gallon. Biden entered office and it rarely if ever hit below $3.
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Do you recognize the effects of the global pandemic on the economy that Biden inherited? On the global economy for that matter? Do you recognize that presidents - any president - don't have any meaningful effect on short term fuel prices?

The very conservative David Brooks from the NYT speaking in support of the current economic trends under Biden:

The economic trends are good for average Americans. The U.S. economy grew at a torrid 4.9 percent annualized rate in the third quarter of this year, by far the highest cumulative, inflation-adjusted growth in the Group of 7. The prime age employment rate is near record highs and inflation is down to 3.7 percent.

Household debt is way down. The average family’s net worth increased by an inflation-adjusted 37 percent between 2019 and 2022. The gains were broadly felt: Income increased almost across the board, benefiting urban and rural people, homeowners and renters, white people and Black people.

The mood is so glum, many voters don’t yet perceive these improvements, reeling as they are from the recent bout of inflation. Will they come to appreciate all the positive trends this time next year? I have no idea, and neither do you. It can take a long time for perceptions to catch up with economic realities. The only thing we can do is put our faith in the idea that good policy deserves our support.
 
It's no wonder this anti-American sentiment has taken hold, and Bernie O'Biden believes he can give away college education for free... American institutions of "higher learning" have been accepting billions (with a B) from our economic adversaries for years! That's not to mention this stupid war on fossil fuels, and the selling of our farmlands to foreign entities.

"Economic inequality?" "Racial inequity?" Well, NO SHIT! ...morons

Looks like the Pro-American Republicans, at the behest of the moral majority, just have to clean up this socialist engineered mess... as usual.
 
JAPOV said:
It's no wonder this anti-American sentiment has taken hold, and Bernie O'Biden believes he can give away college education for free... American institutions of "higher learning" have been accepting billions (with a B) from our economic adversaries for years!
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The inflation rate for colleges has averaged 6.2%. If it increased the same as regular inflation, a year at a school like Stanford would cost about $17k rather than $62k. We are continuing to force not only economic divides, but educational divides as well. Any anti American sentiment is from the people who have been priced out of any “American dream”. High school used to be enough, and it was covered by taxpayers. Now it’s not enough, but higher learning has become a monopoly. I’m no fan of socialism, but this particular problem is caused by under-regulated or “late-stage” capitalism.
JAPOV said:
"Economic inequality?" "Racial inequity?" Well, NO SHIT! ...morons

Looks like the Pro-American Republicans, at the behest of the moral majority, just have to clean up this socialist engineered mess... as usual.
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Again, economic inequality has much more to do with late stage capitalism.
 
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