Zoooooommmmmmmmm !!!!

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This is a tune i did a while back, and i am planning on re-mixing it on my new monitors, over the holiday weekend coming up....

i'd love some mix ideas, especially in the low end eq department.....

"zoom", the first song i did when i bought my new zoom 123 drum machine. it was just an experiment in learning the new drum machine. It’s all about diarrhea of the fingers…

the solo guitar is my Carvin DC200 Koa, through the Marshall JMP-1 and into the mesa boogie mark2b..... nice and loud....

the rythms are direct into the boogie......

the keyboardy part is actually the drum machine.
 
Jeez Loueez!! It seems you know how to play a guitar. That's REAL tasty. I think you need to crank up the drums though to get some ass under your guitar work. This kicks ass.
 
thanks for listening, TRACKRAT !

crank up the drums, yes........

it's a weird little thing, the drum part......
it has two kits, one industrial kit, and then a regular kit........

it probably would have been easier for me to mix it, if i had stuck with just one or the other, but i really needed the different sounds where they happen.....

well, since the kit is all on just one stereo pair, i'll have to do some creative eq'ing to get the kick and snare to stand out the way i want em to.......

thanks again for the comment, i was afraid everyone was going to hate it........ ;)
 
Everything I've heard from you has been good and this is no exception. The drums are a little low in the mix and a bit 'machiny' sounding (tonewise)
Extremely good guitar work. I likes it!
 
pretty serious.. I wasnt crazy about the drums, but the guitar kept most of my attention.. good stuff!
 
Agree, drums are crap.

Guitars are about right (maybe bring the lead down a touch and rhythm up a little more, you're not steve vai for christmas sake! you don't have to be up-front at ALL times ;) ). No bass, need a smooth ass bassline, something to hold it all together.

I applaud the originality (versus the typical crap I hear all the time on this board). The playing was pretty good too, you certainly have full use o'-wammy bar (I took mine off my guitar, hate the thing, but you seem to use it with some class).
 
zoom is right!!

man, this tune really zoooooooooooooms!! damn, what kinda marinate do you use on those chops??:D because they sure are tasty!! broken record.........drums+up= good!!

thank's man

peace

rick
 
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Sorry, should have been more specific:

Standard pop crap regurgitated for the Nth time I usually hear on this board. :D
 
Hey Gonz.......
Great stuff man. Serious guit playin. I feel your pain re: drum machines...... but they do serve their purpose.

... and they dont complain like drummers do.......
(that'll stir up a drum nazi or two):D :D


g
 
wow, you guys are listening....... cool !

LT. BOB-
yeah, the drums were supposed to sound a little machiney, but i'd really like to be able to get into a real swinging sound..... my goal is to get a good pc-based drum program.....

b. sabbath-
the drums, are the bane of my existense........ but like i said, this was the very first thing i programmed, i have gotten better on that machine, but it's still pretty limiting.......

pinky-
no, i'm not Vai! LOL
thanks for the compliment, i think, about the originality.... but i'd say it's a tough thing you say, i don't think there is that much CRAP on this board....... lot's and lot's of good stuff......
either way, i'm confused about the "no bass" statement.... there is, of course, a lot of bass in this, even through my little computer speakers and subwoofer at work, the bass is very dominate..... it's not a great sound, mind you, but it's most definitely there... i don't understand how you couldn't hear it...... and if it's so, i gotta figure out what's happening to my eq, when it goes through other systems.....
granted, the bass line is exactly what the guitar is doing, and i rolled off the low end on the guitars, just so the bass would have a nice niche to dwell in.......
either way, more food for thought....... thanks.

fenderlkingood-
nice moniker. i use worcestershire sauce, always worcestershire sauce.......... ;)

Guernica-
yeah, my drum machine shuts the hell up, and plays only when i want him to, and is never behind the beat, and never hits a china cymbal when i walk by.........:)
 
I have to go with Gonzo over Pinky here. I hear a ton of very good stuff here. On occasion I hear a beginner that has a ways to go but I'd say 3/4 of what I hear is decent and maybe 1/4 to 1/2 of the stuff is first rate. It's a shame when people's attitudes keep them from being open to another's artistic vision.
 
Pinky said:
Sorry, should have been more specific:

Standard pop crap regurgitated for the Nth time I usually hear on this board. :D
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Sorry man, I should apologize (and to you, too GONZO... but wait your turn :D) I just saw that as a slam on the clinic... probably wasn't... not everything I hear here is my fave stuff, but I'm not sure I hear much "CRAP" (thinking back to that turd "pootpie" (remember him? :D) uploaded :rolleyes: ) on this board. But you're welcome to your opinion, too :)

Back to the reg scheduled thread!

Okay :o sorry Gonz... :o listening to your stuff NOW:

Your talent never ceases to amaze... if we ever hook up here (in town, you know ;)) I'm sawing off your arms and attaching the new set... maybe that's the fastest way to become a real guitarist :D

You're recording the rhythm guitars direct? What are you mic'ing the amp with for the leads? What board/mic pre are you using? The reason I ask is that the guit tracks all are a little "blurry", and when "stacked" on top of each other, the blurryness adds up to a "cloudy" mix.

That's happened in my stuff, but after a lot of recent reading (here, and at mercenary.com) I've discovered why. Apparently, cheap pre's distort the signal in an "unmusical" way, causing stacked tracks to sound "unfocused". This happened with J-Station trax on my rock tune.... could be described as "blurry". You could be using a good mic (SM57), but the low-level odd-harmonics (11ths, 13ths, etc) in the track which you probably couldn't hear soloed would just end up sounding really cloudy after a few trax are added.

I just tried mic'ing an amp with a self-powered Rode NTK last night, adding only about 10db of gain with the pre-amp, and it was a major difference. The tracks dang near mixed themselves! (This should probably be a thread in the recording forum, or something... maybe it WILL be... but it seemed to apply here)

Anyway, just food for thought. We don't all have the money to buy a nice pre... but maybe the effort spend mixing (if you don't get what you want, right away) would be a lost cause? Too bad, if that's the case, since the playing on your tune is exceptional.

Guitar rock forever!! :)


Chad
 
Participant, thank you for participating.....

;)

no sawing, it's just too messy.....
we'll just have to hook up and talk shop, that's all......

the rhythms, i think there are 2 tracks, left and right, are miced......
it's a 57........

i think, i mixed them low, with some high end rolled off, thinking that it would help the other stuff sit better, but then again, that was a while back, and now i've got some better monitors, and i think when i do this next mix (the reason for posting.....) i'll be able to take this wealth of info from the reccers, and re-think the entire sonic soundscape!

how's that for a mouthful of mush?!
:)

yeah, since then, i've changed my preamps, and micing techniques, and have learned a lot more about eq'ing and mixing....

so now i've got some good ideas, and will go in fresh, and crank this sucker out again......
i'll repost it, just for a before and after........

thanks for the help!
 
Granted, I've heard good stuff today, but in the past I've heard ass clowns trying to be George Michael or something... anyway, not ALL the music on here is crap, otherwise I'd be wasting my time coming here :rolleyes: .

Like gonzo's stuff, good guitar playing. The bass stuff I (didn't) hear were defined bass parts, it was this low-end drone/thunder (Buckethead does a lot of this, sadly, as he is a top-notch player with no mind for the bottom end of the melody).

Not everything needs to be as busy as Les Claypool on meth, but it does help to actually have a melody ... typically a melody is played on the bass and embraced by the rest of the instruments (at least that's how I've been taught composition). In other words, the bass should be playing the vocals. If there are no vocals, the vocalization of the spirit in which the song was intended.

I doubt you intend for your song to say "yawn" in a couple different notes, cause with those sterile bass notes playing that's exactly what my ears hear.

Techno, for example, it's all about the bass. Some of the best bass lines I've heard EVER are in trance/techno tunes written in the past decade. Granted, they milk that bassline for too long most of the time, but I can't count how many times I've heard a particular techno song for the first time and paused to JUST listen to the bass line. It's the pulse of the music we write. It shouldn't be seen as a 'requirement', it should be the backbone.

If you haven't heard much Rush lately, check out Vapor Trails, specifically "Peaceable Kingdom" -- the bass parts define that song, Alex (guitarist) is merely creating a sea of fill around the bass, but the whole song breathes on the bass line alone. Those satriano, vai, and johnson jokers have it all wrong. A lead (guitar, violin, vocalist, what-have-you) is NOT the end-all of musicianship.
 
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1. You're a very good player.

2. I hear almost no low end.

3. If you like the drum sounds...cool. I really REALLY don't like them...but I'm not you, and you're the important one here.

4. You're a very good player.
 
Pinky said:
Granted, I've heard good stuff today, but in the past I've heard ass clowns trying to be George Michael or something...
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Ass Clowns... Hmm.. yet another great band name I'll never be able to use.

Anyway, the song: I think this would benefit from a little more stereo depth. It all sounds a bit squashed together and mono-ish. As was previously mentioned, it could use a little more sonic balance (more low end!).

Admittedly this isn't my genre, but there's my thoughts, for what they're worth.

rock on,
Chris
 
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