Youtube videos for a friend.

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thanks guys. big relief.i'm temporarily on ns10s and i just dont know them!
 
EXCELLENT ... simple is often best. They were great tunes well performed. I thoroughly enjoyed listening. I even went to the home page and listened to "Ashtray Black".

What did you use to record, Paul? You really captured things perfectly.
 
aw man, thanks for that :) it means a lot.

These were recorded in my (awful sounding) garage.

i've done albums with this guy before but we always go overboard, so i decided we should make live recordings, and add subtle overdubs where necessary, like 'songs of leonard cohen' or something?

These recordings are a sort of testing the waters experiment.

Used three mics, in a kinda loose decca tree effort. Stereo pair oktava mk219 maybe 4ft back and 2ft apart, and a centre sm81 aimed at pete for vocals more than anything.
These are the only mics i brought home from uni :P
 
Steenamaroo said:
aw man, thanks for that :) it means a lot.

These were recorded in my (awful sounding) garage.

i've done albums with this guy before but we always go overboard, so i decided we should make live recordings, and add subtle overdubs where necessary, like 'songs of leonard cohen' or something?

These recordings are a sort of testing the waters experiment.

Used three mics, in a kinda loose decca tree effort. Stereo pair oktava mk219 maybe 4ft back and 2ft apart, and a centre sm81 aimed at pete for vocals more than anything.
These are the only mics i brought home from uni :P
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I asked because I've been attempting to record my son in similar live fashion, and phase has been "problematic". He's right about your age, and I forwarded the link above over to him ... for his musical sense is similar. I detected virtually no phase issues with your recording.

I believe where I may go awry is my attempt to employ the 3:1 rule to reduce it ... placing the vocal mic at about a foot and the guitar mics back 3 ... but try though I may, acoustic phase interference occurs. I'm assuming that you are placing the center mic triangulated slightly higher for the voice -- or did you keep them all in the same plane? I've been placing it higher ... maybe that's the problem?
 
first off i tried xy pair and tried to get a balance of guitar of vocal buy adjusting height.
Didn't like it though, it sounded holy in the middle (as it would) so i did spaced pair next.
That sounded way better, but pete moves his head about sometimes, and the voice would travel left to right in the mix which i find really offputting.

So i stuck the sm81 in the middle of the pair at the same height and distance as the others, but aimed it up the ways (pointing at his forehead or thereabouts)


i rolled off below 100hz on the 81, and when i bring its fader up and down, it just naturally brings up or down the voice with little effect on the guitar :)
hope that's useful.
 
Dude looks better in wide screen! ;)

Nice tunes and really good sound if that was a live take. :)
 
On Baby, I thought you were reading lyrics off camera. I promise to try that. :-)

Someone you see's beautiful.

Great videos both.
 
thanks guys..of course, they were all live.you can hear birds sometimes, and cars going past my house! lol


which widescreen do mean? i think someone you see looks great, and i messed up baby by mistake.

The three that came after were meant to be the same as someone you see, but they came out like superwide? lol.
 
Steenamaroo said:
first off i tried xy pair and tried to get a balance of guitar of vocal buy adjusting height.
Didn't like it though, it sounded holy in the middle (as it would) so i did spaced pair next.
That sounded way better, but pete moves his head about sometimes, and the voice would travel left to right in the mix which i find really offputting.

So i stuck the sm81 in the middle of the pair at the same height and distance as the others, but aimed it up the ways (pointing at his forehead or thereabouts)


i rolled off below 100hz on the 81, and when i bring its fader up and down, it just naturally brings up or down the voice with little effect on the guitar :)
hope that's useful.
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Exactly the information sought. I can see why you didn't get phase ... because you positioned the 81 exactly in line w/ the other two ... so the sound source is arriving at roughly the same time on all three. In a straight Decca tree, the middle mic is positioned about 1.5 meters in front of the back two -- but try as I may to replicate that array, phase shifting rears its ugly head, and makes itself known.

I'm going to experiment with your set up, and see if I can get similar results to yours. The sound of the performance was exactly what Bry (my son) is looking for ... birds and all. :)

What did you use for a camera?
 
great. hope that helps :)
I don't know a lot about traditional or strict arrays and setups, although i'd guess that the 1.5 meter suggestion is going to be in relation to the left right spacing of the pair, and it's probably related to the size and distant of the ensemble.

maybe that's not clear, but if you have a large orchestra 5 meters away, i guess the spaced pair might be 2m apart with the centre 1.5m out front?(or whatever the ratio is)

its only a guess, but i'd imagine phase will always be a problem if you're trying to do a decca tree a few feet away from the source.

you know, i hope someone chimes in, cos i didn't put that much thought into it at the time, but this is quite interesting now :)

The camera was a freebie from a friend of pete's. its a sony mini dv handycam. (dcr hc62 or similar from a quick google.)
I'm not really knowledgable about video etc, but tbh i found the real time tape to be a bit of a hassle.
 
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I can believe that it was. :) One of my son's friends just got a new video camera and the quality of video was off the charts ... crisp 1080p. It was so crisp, everything looked like it was in 3D. He said it was about $400 for it.

A traditional Decca tree has two mics hanging in line 4 meters apart -- traditionally using omnidirectional mics. The center mic is 1.5 meters out -- but is on a track that can go a little more or less dependent on phase and emphasis of center source. The back mics are hung a bit higher than the sound source with them pointed down and slightly inward to offset the directional nature of higher frequencies.

Did you mix direct stereo into the camera? You got a very good quality sound if that's what you did.
 
that's good info to know. thanks.

i recorded video and audio separately, and disgarded the audio from the camera's inbuilt mic.

My three mics went straight to a motu828 and into protools, then i bounced the audio and synced it with the movie in imovie.
never used imovie before, but i found it to be quite intuitive.
 
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