Your thoughts on loops...

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Now technically i know the loops that come with whatever production setup you have are supposed to be royalty-free and all, but I just CANT bring myself to use them...it just feels so damn unoriginal. I listen to other people's beats and i can recognize the loop and...its just disgusting! How do you guys feel about using them???
 
crunkthanamug said:
Now technically i know the loops that come with whatever production setup you have are supposed to be royalty-free and all, but I just CANT bring myself to use them...it just feels so damn unoriginal. I listen to other people's beats and i can recognize the loop and...its just disgusting! How do you guys feel about using them???
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On the real!
I have used loops to create songs as a base and then I will change the instrumental to something totally different (bassline, chords, drums) er thang, to compliment the lyrical standpoint of the song. I never wanted someone to hear a cut by me and say " I heard that exact beat on another cut"..STOP PLAYIN!!!
So they do have a purpose! (For me anyway) For foundation purposes, when I'm Stuck like Chuck!
 
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Yeah man thats so unoriginal.How can you be proud of your work if you just taking someone elses loops?
And when everyone says :dang that beat is tight!,you better tell them you only made half of it,otherwise you are faking tha funk! :D

I cant do it either.Plus i dont even like them,most of them are so 90's ...i mean 80's
 
I never could do loops. Everything I do, I gotta have control over it....loops take away my control. Sometimes I want the arpeggated sound of 808 hi hats in my own pattern. I might want a cookie cutter bass drum part...can't do none of that in a loop, plus I feel cheap because I didn't make the drum line but know how to do one.
 
To Loop Or Not To Loop

HERE IS MY 2 CENTS
It all depends on what you value more being original or the act of creating something. see if originality is what you crave then you would not bee a fan of loops you would want to build it from the botom to the top so you can identify with every element. you are not as in love with the thaught of creation as you are the thaught of controll and acomplishment , and the feeling of self fufilment, still keeping a smaller love for creation.

The individual who uses loops is more in love with the idea of having a hand in the final creation of the music. even tho they may use a variety of loops to get there they still feel as tho something has been created and they had a hand in it . not the full hand but just enough to have helped nurture the creation. often seing them selves as the glue to bring the samples together.
peanut butter is peanut butter and chocolate is chocolate but together they make a reeses cup. no originality just a good combonation.

This is the same argument live muscians use when looking down their nose at electronic muscians. and unless you have a drum set and every instrument in your studio thats what you are

me personally i use whatever works for me samples, loops hell i'll fart on a track if it will make it sound hott. lol
 
i feel the same way.
i dont dig the prepackeged shit.
too unorigiinal. i never have and never will use them.
 
BEATMAKERS said:
HERE IS MY 2 CENTS
It all depends on what you value more being original or the act of creating something. see if originality is what you crave then you would not bee a fan of loops you would want to build it from the botom to the top so you can identify with every element. you are not as in love with the thaught of creation as you are the thaught of controll and acomplishment , and the feeling of self fufilment, still keeping a smaller love for creation.

The individual who uses loops is more in love with the idea of having a hand in the final creation of the music. even tho they may use a variety of loops to get there they still feel as tho something has been created and they had a hand in it . not the full hand but just enough to have helped nurture the creation. often seing them selves as the glue to bring the samples together.
peanut butter is peanut butter and chocolate is chocolate but together they make a reeses cup. no originality just a good combonation.

This is the same argument live muscians use when looking down their nose at electronic muscians. and unless you have a drum set and every instrument in your studio thats what you are

me personally i use whatever works for me samples, loops hell i'll fart on a track if it will make it sound hott. lol
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i like being creative. but using loops is like painting by numbers as opposed to painting a blank canvas. more creativity and originality doing it yourself.
 
ethos said:
i like being creative. but using loops is like painting by numbers as opposed to painting a blank canvas. more creativity and originality doing it yourself.
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Yeah,couldnt have said it any better. :)
 
I agree that sometime's a loop can be a good structural tool. Sometime's I have something in my head and I just want to get it down in that BPM in my head so I'll throw a drum loop on and work over it and then go back and replace it on my own. And hell, sometime's I'll just throw a loop in and keep it because i can't seem to achieve anything worth changing it to. It's all preference as BEATMAKERS said.

-Springfield
 
I just hate when people INSIST on using pre-made loops and then think their shit is the best stuff ever. I've mentored a couple of my people on using Reason. They've recorded in other ways in the past, but now all they use for drums is the Dr. Rex.

Now I can understand taking part of that loop and using it as a sample (I've done that myself), but imho I think using and sticking with pre-made loops (and keeping those in your final mix) is like cheating yourself. You're limited to what that loop does and that's it. You can't say, "it'd sound better if the drums went in this pattern" without having to go redo the beat so the drums went that way.

My aunt's ex boyfriend always has me listen to his stuff and then gets mad when I give my honest about it. I'll tell him every time that he's limiting himself with the ready made loops and the same instruments. He's stuck on the Factory sound bank heavy guitar. I'm like "That's one of the weakest instruments in Reason...especially with no compression or efx in it". I gave him my full drumkit and he doesn't really use it yet wonders how my drums and stuff come out the way they do. And I've still got a lot of time and work to put in with my beats.
 
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I agree that sometime's a loop can be a good structural tool. Sometime's I have something in my head and I just want to get it down in that BPM in my head so I'll throw a drum loop on and work over it and then go back and replace it on my own. And hell, sometime's I'll just throw a loop in and keep it because i can't seem to achieve anything worth changing it to. It's all preference as BEATMAKERS said.

-Springfield
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That's pretty much how I feel. When I am stuck, as far as beat making, but I have a song in mind. I use the BPM in a loop to mess around with it. Then I start hearing where I want to go with it and change it to my taste. You can call it cheating or whatever you want to, but I do this for fun! I don't do that all of the time, not even alot. But I have done it!
But making beats is not my primary function, but if tasked to I can do it. That is why my opinion differs from most of you guys, alot of you make alot of beats and you do it well. The ones I have done works for me (I tend to use alot of Organ riffs and Orch strings) I like that old Scarface sound...........
 
Fieva said:
I just hate when people INSIST on using pre-made loops and then think their shit is the best stuff ever.
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LOL...thats what Im screamin! You should hear some of the BS my artists get from other "producers." They be on some ol Mr. Potato Head shit -- mixing and matching! Half of that stuff dont even mix right! The drum loop will have some "over-the-top" dub reverb already on it... I just get so exhausted with this half-assed lazy CRAP making a mockery of what some of us work hard to do. I just feel sorry for the people that cant tell the difference.
 
loops

Ya, use loops to start out a beat, but change the sounds and other stuff later. Add your own twist. Be original and creative. I hate when I hear a track and it's a loop in Reason or something. Even tweak the factory sounds to make your own. You'll sound orginal and people will say, "man I need that sound! How did he get that?. :eek:

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I don't see the prob with using a loop as a starter block so you can turn around and make your own drums later, but to keep it in the final mix and try to pass it off to Joe Schmoe like you did the entire thing is weak. I hear way too many tracks that sound like a ready made loop. When the drums sound better than the instruments by a landslide there's your hint.
 
BeatMakers...said it the best.. everyone got good post...


and i know everyone was jamin to that Clipse's Neptune produced "Grindin' " beat..well boys and girls i have to break it to you but the used loops to create that beat..and look how it turned out...to the hardest beat alive for its time..they took a loop from a preset on the Korg 01/W and they added a gate reverb to the preset sound and the drums for that track were presets from the Korg Triton
 
I agree, the use a factory loop, AS IS, in a final stage of a project is for a new jacks starting out and learning. I wouldn't fault them, you have to start somewhere. Again, I have used many loops to initiate songs, and then flip it and pullout the loop and leave what I have changed. (I would change the bassline completely, add different snares or claps, add a pause or two) I am not the most creative when it comes to making beats from scratch, unless I have a predetermined moledy in my head. I have had a melody in my head and I'll record it on my nextel and create a beat later on when I get home. I think loops serve a purpose to some people, but hey it's not for everyone...
But then again, my main contribution to Music is not making beats, that's definitely not what I do best. That's my other question: There are many who aspire to be a "Beatmaker" and their stuff is regular stuff. You have to get in where you fit in, "Beatmaking" is not for everyone....Trust me I know! Neither is MCing.... Trust me I know that too!

Ya'll be good!
 
i think the loop and the sample is an actual tool of encouragement just like the preset. as you ascribe to a different level of creation your usage of all items will change. but at the initial level some people seek that immediate gradification which can be attained by using loops or preset. my question is this a preset on a piece of equipment is that considered a loop as well?
 
BEATMAKERS said:
i think the loop and the sample is an actual tool of encouragement just like the preset. as you ascribe to a different level of creation your usage of all items will change. but at the initial level some people seek that immediate gradification which can be attained by using loops or preset. my question is this a preset on a piece of equipment is that considered a loop as well?
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Nah not necessarily a Loop per say............There is no difference in a preset and factory sounds on software. I think, to generalize, anything that is part of the initial package is pretty much what people are referring to. But I agree totally with what you said, I couldn't have even attempted to put it the way you did! Some of the people here is waaay past presets and loops, (which I applaud) then there are some (Like me) who still rely on them, to some degree, to get jump started. (But not all of the time) But I use them waaay less more and more! One day, I too shall rise from the pits of using factory loops to get me started, I Promise!!!
 
The way I make my beats, I BEGIN with the drum pattern. Thats the basic groove/rhythm of the song (the most important part if you ask me! -- its what gets head bobbin and asses shakin...), and everything else just gets added to compliment it -- making the beat sound "full". So when people say they start with a pre-made drum loop and then change it later, it just sounds BACKWARDS to me. Thats like forcing a round peg into a square hole, i mean you can "make it fit," but chances are it wont end up as natural sounding as it would if you had done it the other way around. IMO if you are really serious about your production, you would NEVER use a loop, it just holds you back. Working from scratch is more difficult, but it is a more "pure" method -- and in the long run the quality of your production will reflect that. This is not something that happens overnight...
 
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